Accually I do expect fibre channel to replace scsi. It already is, because all the big venders are commited to it. BTW, by big venders I don't mean the seagate's of the world. I mean the big RAID people, who would rather sell fibre channel then anything else. The server venders are coming around to because the fibre channel message has been preached enough.
You can of course by most fibre channel products in scsi versions, and often SSA (IBM's thing) or escon (IBM again, but a little more open) but the venders want to move it all to fibre channel.
Need I remind everyone that scsi is normally used in the big high end servers. Scsi is more expensive even when the parts are IDE with a different board because the customer is willing to pay for the feeling that it is more reliable. (lets not get into the scsi-ide arguement, but for these people scsi does have an advantage above reliability which may or may not exist)
Note that I'm talking five years out though. Scsi will be sold for a long time yet, the best case perdictions say scsi will be around in the high end buiness for at least five years. I belive they are too optimistic, but that is why they are best case perdictions.
I have no idea what firewire is, but I do know that there is no interest in the high end.
BTW, in interest of disclosure, I will benifit if fibre channel makes it big. I also personally belive in fibre channel.
Lets see now, scsi is up to 40 (80? 160?) megaBYTES a second. 40*8=240megabits. looks like 80megabyte scsi beats firewire already. Then we remember that 80megabyte scsi is still compatable with scsi-1 at 5 megabytes, and will be compatable with all faster scsi.
I expect scsi to die, but it won't be because of firewire so much as because of fibre channel. (normally 1 gegaBIT, but up to 4 gegabits) And then it will only die because electrical engineers hate dealing with the fact that at these speeds a signal will arrive at the end of one wire faster then at the end of the next.
I can't wait for IDE to die. It never should have been invented, scsi was always better. Okay, once in a while ATA/IDE had a faster therotial transfer rate, but scsi could come closer to its theoritical maximun.
I was going to respond that I love olvwm, then I read that other responce and realised you were talking about beauty.
fools, functinality is where it is at. I love the way I can drag windows across the desktop from the virtual desktop, have windows partially on a couple different desktops, drag windows from the desktop to the virtual desktop, and the way the virtual desktop shows me the title of each application so I can find it in the clutter I always have.
Beatiful i would never call it, but I don't need beauty. Least of all when I sometimes log into a SLC (sun's version of the imac, 17" black and white monitor beige case, and released long enough ago that most are failing now) You don't want a pretty window manager cause the prettyness will be worse in black and white. Am I the onlyone who remembers how much better black and white monitors are for staring at text all day?
Good looking case, Heavy duty case, and good hardware inside.
Apple has the looks. They fail on the heavy duty case, but almost everything does. They get a C for hardware inside. The powerPC is a nice chip, and I'm not knocking a lower power insides for those who don't need the greater power, I just don't think apple is that great with designing hardware. (mind you most PCs do worse)
Now if they would fix the OS, but all OSes suck. I'm told by those in the know that the pdp-10 didn't suck, pity they stoped making them in 1983. (Okay, where is that taken from. Kudeos if you can answer without violating the spirit)
You still don't understand. You need to be interesting. I know what all my officemates do for a living. I know many of the gorey details. We talk about that on work time. We talk about it over lunch ONLY when something interesting happens.
The rest of the time someone talks about something. There are a few musical people here, sometimes over lunch they discuss the music scene. The unmusical people would rather listen to that (not in large quanties like the music people) then think of work most of the time. The next day the FreeBSD geeks are talking about something in -current, and the music people (who are mostly linux geeks) listen. The day after that it is a different group and politics. We don't want to be bored, and all computers bores most people.
The more extroverted you are the more important it is that you have something to say that won't bore everyone else. Even the introverts need to do something though.
You don't know the programing language we use in house, but if you can demonstraight basic programing skills we can teach your our language in just a few days, no big deal. You don't know our hardware, but again we can teach that. You probably don't know fibre channel or scsi, but after a couple weeks here you will. Of course we want to make sure you can learn all of that. Now we have a problem: you know enough about computers to convince us that you might work out, and not even Linus Torvals (sp?) has any advantage on you. (work on Linux, even scsi work is nice to see, but it won't apply directly) Management has to go on to the next steps. Important things for them is that you get along with your co-workers. If your going to fight with your co-workers I don't care if you have done the same thing for linux (and we hire you because you can port it to our hardware in no time) your not hireable. The people I have I know are compitent (or I'm in the process of firing them) Your an unknown. If you have a hobby, you are at least less likely to burn out. At best a hobby gives you something to relate to everyone else about, and indirectly imporves productivity.
BTW, if you go to an interview and don't talk to several people who you are likely to work with on the same level don't take the job. Half of an interview is for them to convince you to work there. I know several people who were called to an interview and it soon became clear that they were already selected for the position and they were the only one to convince. If they aren't trying to sell you on the job at the same time your selling yourself on them, how do you know that you will get along with everyone. If your co-workers are likely to go postal why would you take the chance?
To a point that is true. On the other hand if you have enough work to keep 100 people busy for a year (in a well designed system, one of the mistakes of the S/360 was too many architects who didn't know what they were doing) and you only have 13 months, and 50 people, you need more people. You need to hire 50 people, and get them up to speed in one month or your project goes out the window. Putting them each in a seperate room with the documentation and what not is fine, but only a few will really come up to speed in that time, and your project becomes late.
Linux has a large number of devolpers, but many people contend that the xBSDs are better even though they have less devolpers. Granted that is a religious topic, but they are keeping up with linux rather well with less people. I think this is due to the mentality, linux encourages you to get something done, xBSD wants it done right.
Finially somebody who had a root hack to was prepared. I should do the same for my system. Dad keeps asking why I want a tape drive when anouther harddrive is so cheep. Backups that aren't in a computer can't be compromised though.
Go out and buy that book (it was reviews here about augest). By Fred Brooks. Read it. Then you will know what is going on.
I've seen it before, will see it again. I think half the shortage is people hear about internet years and think they should devolpe software that fast. CAn't work, never has, probably never will. Never will without major advances in management theory.
For those who are not in the US, this seems like a big deal here because it is illegal for power plants to recycle their waste. The reasoning is that if a criminal got into the process they could at some point get weapons grade plutonimun in quanities enoguh to make a bomb. Instead of requireing high security for such plants they are illegal here, and so power companies are asking the goverment for a pit they can dumb the waste in. The US military is not subject to these laws, and so they don't have this waste problem, however anouther law makes it illegal to turn civilan waste into military uses including powering a land based reacter they could run.
I don't agree with any of the above, but that is the way it is.
Well it could work, but there is a problem. You see IDE has a standard that devices follow, at least a little bit. There is no such thing for parrell scanners. In fact there is no standard for even decting what device(s) is hanging off the parrell port.
What for one scanner might mean start scanning on the next might mean slam the carrage against the end hard enough to physically break the scanner. And if you send that same command to a zip drive by mistake you do a low level format. I have of course made the above up entirely, but you get the idea.
Your also assuming we know how to talk to the parrell port scanners, but only one manufacture has told SANE how to do things. What your proposing is like asking an archioligst to translate linear-A to english. They don't know enough linear-A to do it, much as they want to they can't.
Whats in syslog? Often vital clues get burried in there.
Try an # ifconfig eth0 IPADDR up and tell me what happens.
Try pinging the ip address of the linux machine from the linux machine. (if this fails fix your linux problems, I can help here)
Try pinging your windows machine ip address on the windows machine. Problems here indicate windows problems, which is very common, try rebooting.
I've seen problems like this before, and I have no idea what would be wrong, but after playing around I get it working eventially. I do recall when I installed slackware (2.0.13) it didn't like my etherexpress card, but switching to a 3com card worked just fine. Maybe switch the cards between your two machines, if the bus fits.
Give SANE the prorocol and they will give you a driver. The problem is everyone feels that their way of doing the parrell port is so wonderful they don't want the compitition to use it. The consumer loses, but they don't care.
It comes from the fact the the parrell port was designed for use ONLY with a centronics brand printer. The centronics printers didn't send anything from the printer to the comtpuer (except paper out and "on fire, eh?", maybe one other) They decided not to bother with a general input output port, and saved the 50 cents or whatever it would ahve cost in the '70s to do it right. We have been suffering with the lack of a universial standard for input since. Every scanner company invents their on way of doing it, and it never works with anyone else's.
USB is shaping up a little better, but only time will tell if scanner makers release the specs like they feel safe doing for scsi scanners.
Write the scanner manufactures, and don't buy the parrel port hacks. SCSI is better anyway.
Your not alone. I loved the SGI hardware. I wish I had one, they are the only thing thatI mihgt be able to convince mom to keep in the living room. Why are all cases puddy or black? It doesn't cast anything significant to sell a bunch of colors. Apple hasn't really got this point either the iMac is a step, but just a tiny one.
The electronics are nice too. I loved playing with openGL on a 100 mhz machine. And it was fast enough for the complex graphics I was doing. Well, slow by todays sgi standards, but fast compared to what a pc can do today.
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Accually I do expect fibre channel to replace scsi. It already is, because all the big venders are commited to it. BTW, by big venders I don't mean the seagate's of the world. I mean the big RAID people, who would rather sell fibre channel then anything else. The server venders are coming around to because the fibre channel message has been preached enough.
You can of course by most fibre channel products in scsi versions, and often SSA (IBM's thing) or escon (IBM again, but a little more open) but the venders want to move it all to fibre channel.
Need I remind everyone that scsi is normally used in the big high end servers. Scsi is more expensive even when the parts are IDE with a different board because the customer is willing to pay for the feeling that it is more reliable. (lets not get into the scsi-ide arguement, but for these people scsi does have an advantage above reliability which may or may not exist)
Note that I'm talking five years out though. Scsi will be sold for a long time yet, the best case perdictions say scsi will be around in the high end buiness for at least five years. I belive they are too optimistic, but that is why they are best case perdictions.
I have no idea what firewire is, but I do know that there is no interest in the high end.
BTW, in interest of disclosure, I will benifit if fibre channel makes it big. I also personally belive in fibre channel.
Lets see now, scsi is up to 40 (80? 160?) megaBYTES a second. 40*8=240megabits. looks like 80megabyte scsi beats firewire already. Then we remember that 80megabyte scsi is still compatable with scsi-1 at 5 megabytes, and will be compatable with all faster scsi.
I expect scsi to die, but it won't be because of firewire so much as because of fibre channel. (normally 1 gegaBIT, but up to 4 gegabits) And then it will only die because electrical engineers hate dealing with the fact that at these speeds a signal will arrive at the end of one wire faster then at the end of the next.
I can't wait for IDE to die. It never should have been invented, scsi was always better. Okay, once in a while ATA/IDE had a faster therotial transfer rate, but scsi could come closer to its theoritical maximun.
I was going to respond that I love olvwm, then I read that other responce and realised you were talking about beauty.
fools, functinality is where it is at. I love the way I can drag windows across the desktop from the virtual desktop, have windows partially on a couple different desktops, drag windows from the desktop to the virtual desktop, and the way the virtual desktop shows me the title of each application so I can find it in the clutter I always have.
Beatiful i would never call it, but I don't need beauty. Least of all when I sometimes log into a SLC (sun's version of the imac, 17" black and white monitor beige case, and released long enough ago that most are failing now) You don't want a pretty window manager cause the prettyness will be worse in black and white. Am I the onlyone who remembers how much better black and white monitors are for staring at text all day?
Good looking case, Heavy duty case, and good hardware inside.
Apple has the looks. They fail on the heavy duty case, but almost everything does. They get a C for hardware inside. The powerPC is a nice chip, and I'm not knocking a lower power insides for those who don't need the greater power, I just don't think apple is that great with designing hardware. (mind you most PCs do worse)
Now if they would fix the OS, but all OSes suck. I'm told by those in the know that the pdp-10 didn't suck, pity they stoped making them in 1983. (Okay, where is that taken from. Kudeos if you can answer without violating the spirit)
You still don't understand. You need to be interesting. I know what all my officemates do for a living. I know many of the gorey details. We talk about that on work time. We talk about it over lunch ONLY when something interesting happens.
The rest of the time someone talks about something. There are a few musical people here, sometimes over lunch they discuss the music scene. The unmusical people would rather listen to that (not in large quanties like the music people) then think of work most of the time. The next day the FreeBSD geeks are talking about something in -current, and the music people (who are mostly linux geeks) listen. The day after that it is a different group and politics. We don't want to be bored, and all computers bores most people.
The more extroverted you are the more important it is that you have something to say that won't bore everyone else. Even the introverts need to do something though.
You don't know the programing language we use in house, but if you can demonstraight basic programing skills we can teach your our language in just a few days, no big deal. You don't know our hardware, but again we can teach that. You probably don't know fibre channel or scsi, but after a couple weeks here you will. Of course we want to make sure you can learn all of that. Now we have a problem: you know enough about computers to convince us that you might work out, and not even Linus Torvals (sp?) has any advantage on you. (work on Linux, even scsi work is nice to see, but it won't apply directly) Management has to go on to the next steps. Important things for them is that you get along with your co-workers. If your going to fight with your co-workers I don't care if you have done the same thing for linux (and we hire you because you can port it to our hardware in no time) your not hireable. The people I have I know are compitent (or I'm in the process of firing them) Your an unknown. If you have a hobby, you are at least less likely to burn out. At best a hobby gives you something to relate to everyone else about, and indirectly imporves productivity.
BTW, if you go to an interview and don't talk to several people who you are likely to work with on the same level don't take the job. Half of an interview is for them to convince you to work there. I know several people who were called to an interview and it soon became clear that they were already selected for the position and they were the only one to convince. If they aren't trying to sell you on the job at the same time your selling yourself on them, how do you know that you will get along with everyone. If your co-workers are likely to go postal why would you take the chance?
To a point that is true. On the other hand if you have enough work to keep 100 people busy for a year (in a well designed system, one of the mistakes of the S/360 was too many architects who didn't know what they were doing) and you only have 13 months, and 50 people, you need more people. You need to hire 50 people, and get them up to speed in one month or your project goes out the window. Putting them each in a seperate room with the documentation and what not is fine, but only a few will really come up to speed in that time, and your project becomes late.
Linux has a large number of devolpers, but many people contend that the xBSDs are better even though they have less devolpers. Granted that is a religious topic, but they are keeping up with linux rather well with less people. I think this is due to the mentality, linux encourages you to get something done, xBSD wants it done right.
I should put openBSD on my firewall some year.
Finially somebody who had a root hack to was prepared. I should do the same for my system. Dad keeps asking why I want a tape drive when anouther harddrive is so cheep. Backups that aren't in a computer can't be compromised though.
Go out and buy that book (it was reviews here about augest). By Fred Brooks. Read it. Then you will know what is going on.
I've seen it before, will see it again. I think half the shortage is people hear about internet years and think they should devolpe software that fast. CAn't work, never has, probably never will. Never will without major advances in management theory.
For those who are not in the US, this seems like a big deal here because it is illegal for power plants to recycle their waste. The reasoning is that if a criminal got into the process they could at some point get weapons grade plutonimun in quanities enoguh to make a bomb. Instead of requireing high security for such plants they are illegal here, and so power companies are asking the goverment for a pit they can dumb the waste in. The US military is not subject to these laws, and so they don't have this waste problem, however anouther law makes it illegal to turn civilan waste into military uses including powering a land based reacter they could run.
I don't agree with any of the above, but that is the way it is.
Well it could work, but there is a problem. You see IDE has a standard that devices follow, at least a little bit. There is no such thing for parrell scanners. In fact there is no standard for even decting what device(s) is hanging off the parrell port.
What for one scanner might mean start scanning on the next might mean slam the carrage against the end hard enough to physically break the scanner. And if you send that same command to a zip drive by mistake you do a low level format. I have of course made the above up entirely, but you get the idea.
Your also assuming we know how to talk to the parrell port scanners, but only one manufacture has told SANE how to do things. What your proposing is like asking an archioligst to translate linear-A to english. They don't know enough linear-A to do it, much as they want to they can't.
Whats in syslog? Often vital clues get burried in there.
Try an
# ifconfig eth0 IPADDR up
and tell me what happens.
Try pinging the ip address of the linux machine from the linux machine. (if this fails fix your linux problems, I can help here)
Try pinging your windows machine ip address on the windows machine. Problems here indicate windows problems, which is very common, try rebooting.
I've seen problems like this before, and I have no idea what would be wrong, but after playing around I get it working eventially. I do recall when I installed slackware (2.0.13) it didn't like my etherexpress card, but switching to a 3com card worked just fine. Maybe switch the cards between your two machines, if the bus fits.
Give SANE the prorocol and they will give you a driver. The problem is everyone feels that their way of doing the parrell port is so wonderful they don't want the compitition to use it. The consumer loses, but they don't care.
It comes from the fact the the parrell port was designed for use ONLY with a centronics brand printer. The centronics printers didn't send anything from the printer to the comtpuer (except paper out and "on fire, eh?", maybe one other) They decided not to bother with a general input output port, and saved the 50 cents or whatever it would ahve cost in the '70s to do it right. We have been suffering with the lack of a universial standard for input since. Every scanner company invents their on way of doing it, and it never works with anyone else's.
USB is shaping up a little better, but only time will tell if scanner makers release the specs like they feel safe doing for scsi scanners.
Write the scanner manufactures, and don't buy the parrel port hacks. SCSI is better anyway.
Your not alone. I loved the SGI hardware. I wish I had one, they are the only thing thatI mihgt be able to convince mom to keep in the living room. Why are all cases puddy or black? It doesn't cast anything significant to sell a bunch of colors. Apple hasn't really got this point either the iMac is a step, but just a tiny one.
The electronics are nice too. I loved playing with openGL on a 100 mhz machine. And it was fast enough for the complex graphics I was doing. Well, slow by todays sgi standards, but fast compared to what a pc can do today.