Ok, it's a bit fuzzy. But I still claim the definition I learnt still would be usable. Autonomous, for me at least (not a native english speaker so I may be using the wrong word here, perhaps it should be automatic or something?), to me just means it keeps on going after you live it. Also I didn't say there couldn't be an alternative manual way to control things. (almost any robot has manual control also)
I'm not sure how good the "American Heritage Dictionary" really is. Haven't seen it, ever (I'm in Europe). Especially for terms that really are used more or less by specialists, like this one. I do know, however, that the word is used very sloppilly among mere mortals (ie non-/.-ers) - giving everything, including the kitchen sink, the attribute "robotic". That does not mean they're right.
The definition I learnt, I learnt in robotics class. Anything remote-controlled is NOT a robot, it's a manipulator. Or possibly, as in your case I presume, a toy.;-)
Here's another, similar joke. To get it fully, you should ignore the fact you're a slashdotter - imagine you all do have gfs.
- Why did God create blondes?
* The sheep couldn't fetch beer in the fridge.
- Then, why did God create brunettes?
* Neither could the blondes.
- Well, then why should you study automation?
* To be able to build a robot so you finally can get your goddamn beer!
Hmm, shouldn't that be exactly why they used Linux - there's a bug in the Windows Robot Laws Subroutine. Some programmer forgot to enter the 1st law...
Technically, a robot has to have some kind of autonomous control. Doesn't have to be built in, but it should be non-human (normally a computer).
The link you provided is about a manipulator. Definition: a robot, but without the parts that make them do things (the "brains" - the controller), and with an interface for manual control instead.
Of course, robots are really cool, so also the people not really into robotics tend to say they do it. For Random L. User, that's kinda ok, but at least we geeks here on Slashdot should be able to differentiate between fake "robots" (ie manipulators) and the real, automonous, stuff.
You're very insightful. You can't say for sure that it isn't both - in fact, there are technical universities that have the motto "Vetenskap och konst" ("Science and art" for those of you who aren't vegetables;-) ). And that university was founded long before computer technology got modern.
What they are referring to aren't in fact the "traditional" arts, but the art of engineering. The art to build a useful structure of really small parts, still make it beatiful, and having an attractive design. What architects do when they build bridges or buildings, what mechanical engineers do when they build ingenous machinery, or what design engineer are doing when drawing that new car. It just couldn't be said that it's merely engineering - because it isn't. And it isn't just arts. Anyone knowing anything about algorithms knows that.
As you already learnt, Ireland nowadays is part of the EU. Here's lesson #2.:) The only western-european countries that aren't part of the EU are Switzerland, Norway and Iceland, and some lilliput nations - Lichtenstein, San Marino, the Vatican, Monaco, Andorra? (at least Andorra is more or less half-spanish, half-french, not so sure about then nor the other lilliput ones - they aren't official members, but could be members anyway somehow - a lot of them have connections to the countries around them). Also, IIRC, there is some special status for Greenland (which technically is a part of Denmark, but with its own Parliament yadda yadda yadda). I think they aren't part of the EU somehow, even though Denmark is.
What you write is very informative - but you miss one important point. The system may detoriate a bit faster, but they should have been constructed for that workload from the beginning - a computer should be able to run for full load for prolonged periods of times (gaming, workstation work containing heavy computations, simulations, etc).
Your points just more or less show that some engineer at the constructing company either is incompetent, making constructions that won't last, or the companies are purposefully making imperfect products. And I actually don't know which of the implications is worse...
Yeah, but it still draws a lot less letting a some computers burn some cycles, than you would have to use if you built a shiny, new, cluster. And you don't have to pay for the hardware either, because you already have it...
Ah, didn't mean to be meen and ignorant. Sorry. Just about everybody has said "Windows does do IPv6" with respect to those drivers already (assuming they meant IPv6 was well-supported), and I read your comment just as the others were written...
About radvd broadcasting - sorry, I don't know for sure. I haven't played around with IPv6 yet. I don't know about any reason for it NOT to work though - if it works under the other *nices I can't understand why it shouldn't work on OS X (which basically is a really rebuilt *BSD with lots of blingbling).
I wouldn't have been too surprised if IKEA would be giving design awards though (it has been widely spreading design furniture to a wider audience) , if it wasn't for that the company is as cheap (as in won't spend money on something that's not entirely necessary) as possible. Ingvar Kamprad has even once said "If I'm worried some one will copy our designs? Nah. If someone thinks they can beat us on price, they are very welcome to give it a try...":)
As I've written to all others that just answered the same thing - I STILL DON'T CONSIDER THAT WELL-SUPPORTED. Damnit. Supported, yes, but well-suppported, hell no. You said it yourself: "intended for development use and trial network deployments".
In Mac OS X there is a settings window that I can use - so even my computer-illiterate dad could use it (if some one explained the options at least). It's also considered stable. It's been there since 10.3 as far as I know. THAT is what I call well-supported.
Well, I don't mind that much. I was partly wrong about Windows at least. I thought there wasn't any support at all, not even at this basic level I've been told over and over again.:)
And I should be studying, exams in a couple of weeks - so I'm really grateful for having something keeping me off-focus so I don't have to think about it.:)
Ah, so nice it can be on/. sometimes, in the end we all agree, love, peace and elvis...:)
About Mac support for IPv6: I don't really remember (and as it seems I wasn't even a Mac user then), but I've found screenshots on the net showing the button for the IPv6 settings at least in Panther screenshots, so at least 1.5 years or something. The only screenshot I've found of the Jaguar network settings didn't have it, so presumably it was introduced with Panther.
And that's basically my point. I don't call that "well-supported". Heck, I study these areas and don't know about it - it's basically a checkbox item that no one is supposed to use or something...
My iBook has IPv6 options installed by default. If I want to play around with it, I've already seen it, and all I would have to do is find some ISP that would give me an IPv6 IP (those are available for free actually, don't remember the link though).
Would you accept a similar system for phone numbers?
Getting slightly offtopic, but in the beginning of the usage of phones, at least in Sweden, where I'm from, it actually was quite usual to share a phoneline among neighbours, because the costs per household was lower then.
The different phones were given "A" and "B" numbers, and when you phoned them, at both places the phones would ring. If the wrong place answered they basically had to run over to the neighbour, and tell them...
Thanks for the informative info. Still I would say, it isn't really "well supported" - if it was, I would expect my dad or sisters be able to set it up (and they're definately not on/.), and installing stuff is way above what they know - at least if it's not a "usual program". Making settings kinda is the border, and that wouldn't really be necessary with autodefined IP-adresses (DHCP or part of IPv6)...
So then it's not installed by default? At least Mac OS X comes with in the default install, and well, with Linux, it's different from distribution to distribution, don't know about the *BSDs.
If it really was well-supported, shouldn't it be installed by default then?
At least I'm old enough to have used operating systems that are more or less out of fashion today (ie MS-DOS), but still, I would agree, I'm pretty young (23).
I didn't mean "legacy" as in "almost-extinct" though (I wish!). I meant it as in "doesn't support nice new feature". As far as I know, all other OSes with any importance at all (Mac OS X, *BSD, Linux) can be had with IPv6 support. Windows not so, at least not without 3rd party software as far as I know (speaking desktops here - ie XP). Ie legacy software (pun not intended although IE is becoming legacy too because of lacking development leading to bad standards support).
And btw, I never talked about the government having to be first. I didn't say anything at all about who should be first, I was only discussing technical issues...
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You really didn't read the grandparent, did you? I was talking about the "boobiebot" that got linked in in the gp. NOT the main story.
Ok, it's a bit fuzzy. But I still claim the definition I learnt still would be usable. Autonomous, for me at least (not a native english speaker so I may be using the wrong word here, perhaps it should be automatic or something?), to me just means it keeps on going after you live it. Also I didn't say there couldn't be an alternative manual way to control things. (almost any robot has manual control also)
The definition I learnt, I learnt in robotics class. Anything remote-controlled is NOT a robot, it's a manipulator. Or possibly, as in your case I presume, a toy. ;-)
- Why did God create blondes?
* The sheep couldn't fetch beer in the fridge.
- Then, why did God create brunettes?
* Neither could the blondes.
- Well, then why should you study automation?
* To be able to build a robot so you finally can get your goddamn beer!
Hmm, shouldn't that be exactly why they used Linux - there's a bug in the Windows Robot Laws Subroutine. Some programmer forgot to enter the 1st law...
The link you provided is about a manipulator. Definition: a robot, but without the parts that make them do things (the "brains" - the controller), and with an interface for manual control instead.
Of course, robots are really cool, so also the people not really into robotics tend to say they do it. For Random L. User, that's kinda ok, but at least we geeks here on Slashdot should be able to differentiate between fake "robots" (ie manipulators) and the real, automonous, stuff.
Ah, thanks for the info, has to stop by on my planned tour of Europe if it's duty free then. :)
What they are referring to aren't in fact the "traditional" arts, but the art of engineering. The art to build a useful structure of really small parts, still make it beatiful, and having an attractive design. What architects do when they build bridges or buildings, what mechanical engineers do when they build ingenous machinery, or what design engineer are doing when drawing that new car. It just couldn't be said that it's merely engineering - because it isn't. And it isn't just arts. Anyone knowing anything about algorithms knows that.
Not to forget, IIRC, Nokia and Ericsson?
As you already learnt, Ireland nowadays is part of the EU. Here's lesson #2. :) The only western-european countries that aren't part of the EU are Switzerland, Norway and Iceland, and some lilliput nations - Lichtenstein, San Marino, the Vatican, Monaco, Andorra? (at least Andorra is more or less half-spanish, half-french, not so sure about then nor the other lilliput ones - they aren't official members, but could be members anyway somehow - a lot of them have connections to the countries around them). Also, IIRC, there is some special status for Greenland (which technically is a part of Denmark, but with its own Parliament yadda yadda yadda). I think they aren't part of the EU somehow, even though Denmark is.
Your points just more or less show that some engineer at the constructing company either is incompetent, making constructions that won't last, or the companies are purposefully making imperfect products. And I actually don't know which of the implications is worse...
Yeah, but it still draws a lot less letting a some computers burn some cycles, than you would have to use if you built a shiny, new, cluster. And you don't have to pay for the hardware either, because you already have it...
About radvd broadcasting - sorry, I don't know for sure. I haven't played around with IPv6 yet. I don't know about any reason for it NOT to work though - if it works under the other *nices I can't understand why it shouldn't work on OS X (which basically is a really rebuilt *BSD with lots of blingbling).
I wouldn't have been too surprised if IKEA would be giving design awards though (it has been widely spreading design furniture to a wider audience) , if it wasn't for that the company is as cheap (as in won't spend money on something that's not entirely necessary) as possible. Ingvar Kamprad has even once said "If I'm worried some one will copy our designs? Nah. If someone thinks they can beat us on price, they are very welcome to give it a try..." :)
In Mac OS X there is a settings window that I can use - so even my computer-illiterate dad could use it (if some one explained the options at least). It's also considered stable. It's been there since 10.3 as far as I know. THAT is what I call well-supported.
And I should be studying, exams in a couple of weeks - so I'm really grateful for having something keeping me off-focus so I don't have to think about it. :)
About Mac support for IPv6: I don't really remember (and as it seems I wasn't even a Mac user then), but I've found screenshots on the net showing the button for the IPv6 settings at least in Panther screenshots, so at least 1.5 years or something. The only screenshot I've found of the Jaguar network settings didn't have it, so presumably it was introduced with Panther.
My iBook has IPv6 options installed by default. If I want to play around with it, I've already seen it, and all I would have to do is find some ISP that would give me an IPv6 IP (those are available for free actually, don't remember the link though).
Getting slightly offtopic, but in the beginning of the usage of phones, at least in Sweden, where I'm from, it actually was quite usual to share a phoneline among neighbours, because the costs per household was lower then.
The different phones were given "A" and "B" numbers, and when you phoned them, at both places the phones would ring. If the wrong place answered they basically had to run over to the neighbour, and tell them...
Thanks for the informative info. Still I would say, it isn't really "well supported" - if it was, I would expect my dad or sisters be able to set it up (and they're definately not on /.), and installing stuff is way above what they know - at least if it's not a "usual program". Making settings kinda is the border, and that wouldn't really be necessary with autodefined IP-adresses (DHCP or part of IPv6)...
Obviously I don't. :) I'm too used to having useful stuff being installed by default with the OS on my iBook. :)
You DO have a point though. We've seen M$ fuck things up with having them installed as default before...
If it really was well-supported, shouldn't it be installed by default then?
Ok, do believe you, would you mind telling me where I find the control panel for it?
I didn't mean "legacy" as in "almost-extinct" though (I wish!). I meant it as in "doesn't support nice new feature". As far as I know, all other OSes with any importance at all (Mac OS X, *BSD, Linux) can be had with IPv6 support. Windows not so, at least not without 3rd party software as far as I know (speaking desktops here - ie XP). Ie legacy software (pun not intended although IE is becoming legacy too because of lacking development leading to bad standards support).
And btw, I never talked about the government having to be first. I didn't say anything at all about who should be first, I was only discussing technical issues...