Oh I didn't mean pixel perfect. The problem would start with how Fonts are handled and graphics are drawn in that case.
If you have seen the disaster I talk about by mentioning ''Not Opera compatible'', you could understand why Flash on that case would be ironically better solution. I am currently testing Opera 10 and you should see things I see when sites aren't compatible with it. I would prefer Flash to a 10 pixel wide, 10.000 pixel high coloumn which scrolls horizontally:)
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/var/folders is generally folder for storing possibly sensitive data of ANY application. I don't know the exact reason of why some files are cached there and some in ordinary caches folder but I mean it is NOT just Safari cache. There could be caches of anything, any program.
It could be decided like ''If a program binary is signed and it connects to net'' by core OS itself. Again, it is just a very rough guess.
Did you really expect 700+ MB of Cache from a browser? It indeed cleaned its Cache and didn't touch other applications files./var/folders is just randomized (sandboxed in future?) temp dir. Nothing exclusive to Safari or any other program.
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But is there really anything to fix besides the files getting into the/var/folders on secure home dir scenarios?
Browsers cache/store history since they were invented and that click happy site found there is a treasure there. Well, that is why Apple spits files to the randomized and soon to be more secure caches dir. The breach (!) requires someone sitting on your chair and browsing your Caches. It is the same formula for getting Mac fanatics attention and unfortunately every time, it works.
What will they do? 128 bit encrypt general public jpegs? Not that it can't be done, just enable filevault or whatever equivalent on Windows. time.
a) Enable filevault or some kind of similar thing in Windows (encyript home folder)
OR
b) Disable caching, top sites, web site icons and history
I use Opera right now, beta testing Opera 10 even on OS X. It does store its files in Caches folder too. Where else should this happen? As ''Top sites'' actually an Opera invention (quick dial, similar), if you dig enough, you will see the screenshots too. Perhaps Opera stores them in a better format than lossy jpeg but they must be still there.
The real issue on OS X Leopard is that/var/folders thing. Especially if I was a filevault user, I would be really really pissed about it. IMHO as disks became faster, it really makes sense to srm -rf/var/folders on logout.
I mean if it is a laptop or critical info having desktop, you actually need your data secure in case of thievery or loss and you are concerned. For example, I don't really care what is in my Cache and I max them out as far as possible.
If it is same Wal-Mart which demands artists demands them to censor their work to show up on their stores and EA is a gigantic game company, we will wait a bit (!) for innovations and unique games to show up.
Or... We better start donating to some great open source (and massively multi platform) games which appear on sourceforge etc.
Funny is, if you can't go with standards and you are in hurry... Lets say your user profile is 99% Flash having and you can't test every browser... You will make the site in Flash:)
That time, all you would need is browser embedding Flash content right. Everyone including Opera users will see and use exact same thing.
I am not blaming Adobe or Flash of course, it is the standards bodies and browser vendors/scene who forced everyone to use Flash. Personally, I'd prefer to embed Quicktime or Real content but in reality, there is no way I will make the users install both. Especially Windows users. It will be same deal with HTML 5 if MS doesn't implement it to IE and somehow convince users to update. If it is the same MS I know since 1980s, there is no way. Especially after they sunk (b)millions to Silverlight joke.
Just today, I saw my bank ATM doing flash animations. MS is a bit too late. In fact, everyone (including W3C) is late.
At least, it is Adobe, not MS who owns Flash. If Silverlight was made in 1990s and reached to Flash in terms of market share, MS would give hell to everyone other than Windows users. BTW don't even mention moonlight.
What if MS was planning some embrace and extend games , they figured it early and didn't allow it for that reason? Did you see disaster they call ODF support? Will it serve to ODF or completely hurt its image?
I am sure there are some free PDF printers for Windows and I didn't see them get sued yet. Lets not talk about paying 400 dollars to MS Office and yet demanding pro quality PDF support for free...
I can agree you about UI issues in CS3/4 but you gotta think twice when someone shows the finger to MS. They may have good reasons. Just ask Opera boss;)
What about this happening in court? Cisco, a Networking equipment giant going to court against FSF/GNU could make some people like decision making admins mad. If they switch to BOFH mode, Cisco can go chap 11 in a year. There is a guy or bunch of guys deciding to buy million dollar equipment from them and not other brand you know. They are humans and they have their own philosophies. Entire GNU thing started because a large corporation refused to give specs of a printer. Yes, a printer in a lab started all.
Cisco decided to release their sources right when they used GNU licensed code. If there is a security risk because of being open, it will be their fault and not RMS:)
I think it won't be a bad thing, you will see amazing amount of obvious flaws will be fixed in months as result of it. Especially home devices will benefit. Don't worry, MS thought home users (with unfortunate reasons) that they should update their software for security, performance. All Cisco/Linksys product I have is a dumb gigabit switch but I am sure the smart stuff already has easy update functionality.
IMHO that is why JVM (at least on Windows) can exist as 10 different versions if needed. That could be also why Java installer just sets the new directory when it is updated (including sec. updates) but doesn't actually touch the replaced Java files or any JVM installed to other directories (coming with games etc.)
But people flames Sun for leaving the older JVM on disk instead of thinking that reason so it can change in future. Perhaps they should put a "don't touch other JVMs" switch to installer and rm -rf older (same minor version) ones?
Using JVM for corporate practices is so lame? Java is _really_ multiplatform if coded right. Even huge desktop apps like Vuze having dozens of functions can run unmodified on any platform/cpu which has nothing to do with each other.
If you hate the use of binary/virtual code in Web apps, your target should be one slow moving, infested by large corps and ideological fanatics organisation who doesn't give them the standards they need. Did they sit with a large corporation one day, e.g. IBM and asked them "Why do you use IE 6/ActiveX/JVM for this?" pointing to some Terminal? Did they listen to their answer and implement the functionality needed by such large corporations?
For example, we flame CmdrTaco and/. coders for not following their standards and having amazing count of w3c of errors but we never ask them or investigate why they have to break standards. Could it be because standards doesn't practically give functionality what they AND advertisers need?
Or... Their current work is finding a way to replace embedded Flash for videos which has (sadly) became de-facto, impossible to replace standard until they thought about it. They somehow gained support of a true mobile giant, Nokia but went into huge fight with them for some codec/political issue. Now there is another issue with Apple who is way too paranoid about their stuff being stolen by another company (MSFT) and without speaking to them, they wrote open letter or something. That is the one thing you shouldn't do to Apple. As result, what do people actually packaging/encoding videos do? Well, I got a h264 pro encoder and pro flash packager in my shopping list.
A company which makes it impossible (don't ask me, ask Sun) to code/ship a OS X replacement of it with full support to their GUI framework (quartz) declines to fix a public flaw in a framework.
Read the story as it, minus Java or replace Java with PERL. it will be easier to figure who is at fault and who to flame if you really want to.
I am almost sure that idiot or team of idiots declines to ship Java 6 to PPC or ignoring a major security flaw are really happy when you flame Java instead of them. About the impossibility of coding/packaging OS X native, multi CPU Java? Not so sure about it but it seems to be the case. Or... Sun is happy that their Framework and the users of their Framework is conspired by Apple and they enjoy putting up competitions to their born dead fantasies like Java FX instead? It seems the second is true since I don't think MS really shared Windows internals with them to code one of the best performing/compatible JRE on Windows.
Sun, clean up this mess. Or Oracle: Fire the geniuses relying to Apple to fix Java. Whatever...
Wasn't it supposed to "kill" Java? I'd say MS didn't just photocopy Java, they also copied its flaws but I would be wrong since I have seen goodly written applets/apps and even J2ME stuff run perfectly on newer JVM versions, up to beta ones. Just faster and more reliable.
I guess some lobby at Apple OS division is partying because of people turning off java in browsers or trying to remove it from OS X (which I suggest to switchers: don't. Impossible to restore).
Isn't it the reason we don't have Java 6 for PPC (32bit doesn't matter on PPC_64) or Java developers use OS X as "If it works here, it will work anywhere" platform?. Apple's treatment to Java and especially PPC really tells me a lot about how to take them serious in Workstation scenarios.
BTW, if one can trick system that JAVA_HOME is some place else (which should be/dev/null ?) with some script, the entire Java (including) will be disabled/brokenn naturally. I mean, just a guess. I can't find it in BASH btw, when you type "set" and press enter, nothing resembling Java appears. Another.plist to hack with plutil ?
Yes, I posted that message specifically for that reason. To show how different Nokia (or any Symbian vendor) and Apple takes things. Of course, iPhone served too, Nokia wasn't that kind of company before iPhone.
It also shows the Nokia has a horrible PR problem, in USA. Imagine iPhone had this kind of a real apache working with Python scripts that can even remotely take photo of place. I mean, all in official way and free.
Apple's issue with Flash has something to do with the potential of Flash, in hands of a real Developer. It can render App Store useless. Control is gone.
Flash Lite 3 is already distributed free (to developers) if you want to code an application for Symbian using Flash. Of course, Symbian has nothing to say about it.
Imagine entering a website which will stream music to you and offer mp3 downloads for a fee, all in web browser. That is the worst nightmare of Apple.
It is Apache/Phyton and several other technologies combined. In fact, it is also a great multi platform phone remote same time for local usage. They solved the NAT/Web robots problem very interesting way too, a real server routes and filters the calls to the phone subdomain so Google doesn't come to your phone as a robot.
The features of it (check screenshots) makes sense, it is not something like 'my toaster runs web server'.
Soon, not just gamers but ordinary users may need way higher "FPS" than today. 3d stuff (200hz), artificial 3d, massive amounts of transcoding, 12bit per channel video, 2K (or even 4K) are all making their way to average home user. Slowly but sure. These things were all pro high end studio stuff just some years ago.
For example, Apple is still testing a technology which scales desktop to infinite levels of DPI. It is there, embedded to core of OS but not stable or complete yet. To display such a desktop on a hardware accelerated manner, you really need some GPU power. You probably know what we see as "2d" on modern, accelerated desktops is part opengl/direct3d.
It is Cell powered as you may guess. There is also mention of "720 GF computing power" which I can't even dare to think about it. I guess it is when you combine 4 of them. Oh, just $6100 per one:)
Offer the card, in same price down to cents along with a goodly written driver for Mac Pros and even more miraculously to last generation G5s (Quad/Dual Core).
Open Firmware, Endianness, Altivec, non standard interface (???), all excuses gone. If anyone wonders what I talk about, just watch this card's price when (if!) it ships to Macs. You will understand the comedy going on. In PowerPC times, we had some sort of excuse as "Firmware is hard to code", "drivers man, they can't code for PowerPC" etc. Now all excuses are gone and we sometimes get up to 3x price by this duopoly named NVidia and ATI.
As a former Amiga user and one of OS/2 Victims, I really know that complex very well. It could be the reason why I think twice before bad mouthing any other company rather than the product/code in question itself.
OK but none of the products gets hit because MySQL exists right? So, is there any reason other than insanity to undermine/conspire/kill MySQL? They act like there is fire in house and Oracle is the mad guy who started it. Did any of these people attempted to contact Oracle a single time relating to the future and independence of MySQL development?
Guess what will small companies choose if there is image of a chaos/forking rather than a known brand like Oracle when they hear MySQL name? Do you know the evil monopoly company who sells 400 dollar bulky Office products successfully in the age of 2009? Yes, they will win and as side effect, their OS monopoly will gain even more ground. All serves to them at the end, somehow.
If they don't come up with a pure technical reason, a proof for forking the project rather than "big company hate" or conspiracy theories, they are already taking this decision politically.
If they think Oracle purchased Sun just to kill their project for 7.2 billion dollars in such state of Global economy, they are bordering megalomania.
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Oh I didn't mean pixel perfect. The problem would start with how Fonts are handled and graphics are drawn in that case.
If you have seen the disaster I talk about by mentioning ''Not Opera compatible'', you could understand why Flash on that case would be ironically better solution. I am currently testing Opera 10 and you should see things I see when sites aren't compatible with it. I would prefer Flash to a 10 pixel wide, 10.000 pixel high coloumn which scrolls horizontally :)
/var/folders is generally folder for storing possibly sensitive data of ANY application. I don't know the exact reason of why some files are cached there and some in ordinary caches folder but I mean it is NOT just Safari cache. There could be caches of anything, any program.
It could be decided like ''If a program binary is signed and it connects to net'' by core OS itself. Again, it is just a very rough guess.
Did you really expect 700+ MB of Cache from a browser? It indeed cleaned its Cache and didn't touch other applications files. /var/folders is just randomized (sandboxed in future?) temp dir. Nothing exclusive to Safari or any other program.
But is there really anything to fix besides the files getting into the /var/folders on secure home dir scenarios?
Browsers cache/store history since they were invented and that click happy site found there is a treasure there. Well, that is why Apple spits files to the randomized and soon to be more secure caches dir. The breach (!) requires someone sitting on your chair and browsing your Caches. It is the same formula for getting Mac fanatics attention and unfortunately every time, it works.
What will they do? 128 bit encrypt general public jpegs? Not that it can't be done, just enable filevault or whatever equivalent on Windows.
time.
Easy way to fix any browser is:
a) Enable filevault or some kind of similar thing in Windows (encyript home folder)
OR
b) Disable caching, top sites, web site icons and history
I use Opera right now, beta testing Opera 10 even on OS X. It does store its files in Caches folder too. Where else should this happen? As ''Top sites'' actually an Opera invention (quick dial, similar), if you dig enough, you will see the screenshots too. Perhaps Opera stores them in a better format than lossy jpeg but they must be still there.
The real issue on OS X Leopard is that /var/folders thing. Especially if I was a filevault user, I would be really really pissed about it. IMHO as disks became faster, it really makes sense to /var/folders on logout.
srm -rf
I mean if it is a laptop or critical info having desktop, you actually need your data secure in case of thievery or loss and you are concerned. For example, I don't really care what is in my Cache and I max them out as far as possible.
If it is same Wal-Mart which demands artists demands them to censor their work to show up on their stores and EA is a gigantic game company, we will wait a bit (!) for innovations and unique games to show up.
Or... We better start donating to some great open source (and massively multi platform) games which appear on sourceforge etc.
Funny is, if you can't go with standards and you are in hurry... Lets say your user profile is 99% Flash having and you can't test every browser... You will make the site in Flash :)
That time, all you would need is browser embedding Flash content right. Everyone including Opera users will see and use exact same thing.
I am not blaming Adobe or Flash of course, it is the standards bodies and browser vendors/scene who forced everyone to use Flash. Personally, I'd prefer to embed Quicktime or Real content but in reality, there is no way I will make the users install both. Especially Windows users. It will be same deal with HTML 5 if MS doesn't implement it to IE and somehow convince users to update. If it is the same MS I know since 1980s, there is no way. Especially after they sunk (b)millions to Silverlight joke.
Just today, I saw my bank ATM doing flash animations. MS is a bit too late. In fact, everyone (including W3C) is late.
At least, it is Adobe, not MS who owns Flash. If Silverlight was made in 1990s and reached to Flash in terms of market share, MS would give hell to everyone other than Windows users. BTW don't even mention moonlight.
What if MS was planning some embrace and extend games , they figured it early and didn't allow it for that reason? Did you see disaster they call ODF support? Will it serve to ODF or completely hurt its image?
I am sure there are some free PDF printers for Windows and I didn't see them get sued yet. Lets not talk about paying 400 dollars to MS Office and yet demanding pro quality PDF support for free...
I can agree you about UI issues in CS3/4 but you gotta think twice when someone shows the finger to MS. They may have good reasons. Just ask Opera boss ;)
What about this happening in court? Cisco, a Networking equipment giant going to court against FSF/GNU could make some people like decision making admins mad. If they switch to BOFH mode, Cisco can go chap 11 in a year. There is a guy or bunch of guys deciding to buy million dollar equipment from them and not other brand you know. They are humans and they have their own philosophies. Entire GNU thing started because a large corporation refused to give specs of a printer. Yes, a printer in a lab started all.
Never, ever switch their mode to BOFH :)
Cisco decided to release their sources right when they used GNU licensed code. If there is a security risk because of being open, it will be their fault and not RMS :)
I think it won't be a bad thing, you will see amazing amount of obvious flaws will be fixed in months as result of it. Especially home devices will benefit. Don't worry, MS thought home users (with unfortunate reasons) that they should update their software for security, performance. All Cisco/Linksys product I have is a dumb gigabit switch but I am sure the smart stuff already has easy update functionality.
IMHO that is why JVM (at least on Windows) can exist as 10 different versions if needed. That could be also why Java installer just sets the new directory when it is updated (including sec. updates) but doesn't actually touch the replaced Java files or any JVM installed to other directories (coming with games etc.)
But people flames Sun for leaving the older JVM on disk instead of thinking that reason so it can change in future. Perhaps they should put a "don't touch other JVMs" switch to installer and rm -rf older (same minor version) ones?
Using JVM for corporate practices is so lame? Java is _really_ multiplatform if coded right. Even huge desktop apps like Vuze having dozens of functions can run unmodified on any platform/cpu which has nothing to do with each other.
If you hate the use of binary/virtual code in Web apps, your target should be one slow moving, infested by large corps and ideological fanatics organisation who doesn't give them the standards they need. Did they sit with a large corporation one day, e.g. IBM and asked them "Why do you use IE 6/ActiveX/JVM for this?" pointing to some Terminal? Did they listen to their answer and implement the functionality needed by such large corporations?
For example, we flame CmdrTaco and /. coders for not following their standards and having amazing count of w3c of errors but we never ask them or investigate why they have to break standards. Could it be because standards doesn't practically give functionality what they AND advertisers need?
Or... Their current work is finding a way to replace embedded Flash for videos which has (sadly) became de-facto, impossible to replace standard until they thought about it. They somehow gained support of a true mobile giant, Nokia but went into huge fight with them for some codec/political issue. Now there is another issue with Apple who is way too paranoid about their stuff being stolen by another company (MSFT) and without speaking to them, they wrote open letter or something. That is the one thing you shouldn't do to Apple. As result, what do people actually packaging/encoding videos do? Well, I got a h264 pro encoder and pro flash packager in my shopping list.
A company which makes it impossible (don't ask me, ask Sun) to code/ship a OS X replacement of it with full support to their GUI framework (quartz) declines to fix a public flaw in a framework.
Read the story as it, minus Java or replace Java with PERL. it will be easier to figure who is at fault and who to flame if you really want to.
I am almost sure that idiot or team of idiots declines to ship Java 6 to PPC or ignoring a major security flaw are really happy when you flame Java instead of them. About the impossibility of coding/packaging OS X native, multi CPU Java? Not so sure about it but it seems to be the case. Or... Sun is happy that their Framework and the users of their Framework is conspired by Apple and they enjoy putting up competitions to their born dead fantasies like Java FX instead? It seems the second is true since I don't think MS really shared Windows internals with them to code one of the best performing/compatible JRE on Windows.
Sun, clean up this mess. Or Oracle: Fire the geniuses relying to Apple to fix Java. Whatever...
Wasn't it supposed to "kill" Java? I'd say MS didn't just photocopy Java, they also copied its flaws but I would be wrong since I have seen goodly written applets/apps and even J2ME stuff run perfectly on newer JVM versions, up to beta ones. Just faster and more reliable.
I guess some lobby at Apple OS division is partying because of people turning off java in browsers or trying to remove it from OS X (which I suggest to switchers: don't. Impossible to restore).
Isn't it the reason we don't have Java 6 for PPC (32bit doesn't matter on PPC_64) or Java developers use OS X as "If it works here, it will work anywhere" platform?. Apple's treatment to Java and especially PPC really tells me a lot about how to take them serious in Workstation scenarios.
BTW, if one can trick system that JAVA_HOME is some place else (which should be /dev/null ?) with some script, the entire Java (including) will be disabled/brokenn naturally. I mean, just a guess. I can't find it in BASH btw, when you type "set" and press enter, nothing resembling Java appears. Another .plist to hack with plutil ?
Yes, I posted that message specifically for that reason. To show how different Nokia (or any Symbian vendor) and Apple takes things. Of course, iPhone served too, Nokia wasn't that kind of company before iPhone.
It also shows the Nokia has a horrible PR problem, in USA. Imagine iPhone had this kind of a real apache working with Python scripts that can even remotely take photo of place. I mean, all in official way and free.
Apple's issue with Flash has something to do with the potential of Flash, in hands of a real Developer. It can render App Store useless. Control is gone.
I speak about things like these
http://g.ho.st/
https://buzzword.acrobat.com/
Flash Lite 3 is already distributed free (to developers) if you want to code an application for Symbian using Flash. Of course, Symbian has nothing to say about it.
Imagine entering a website which will stream music to you and offer mp3 downloads for a fee, all in web browser. That is the worst nightmare of Apple.
While people arguing if it will be banned today or tomorrow, Nokia offers such web server for Symbian phones for years now with features making sense.
http://mymobilesite.net/screenshots/
It is Apache/Phyton and several other technologies combined. In fact, it is also a great multi platform phone remote same time for local usage. They solved the NAT/Web robots problem very interesting way too, a real server routes and filters the calls to the phone subdomain so Google doesn't come to your phone as a robot.
The features of it (check screenshots) makes sense, it is not something like 'my toaster runs web server'.
Soon, not just gamers but ordinary users may need way higher "FPS" than today. 3d stuff (200hz), artificial 3d, massive amounts of transcoding, 12bit per channel video, 2K (or even 4K) are all making their way to average home user. Slowly but sure. These things were all pro high end studio stuff just some years ago.
For example, Apple is still testing a technology which scales desktop to infinite levels of DPI. It is there, embedded to core of OS but not stable or complete yet. To display such a desktop on a hardware accelerated manner, you really need some GPU power. You probably know what we see as "2d" on modern, accelerated desktops is part opengl/direct3d.
Well, if you got money, you can have 180 GigaFlop (32bit) or 90 GigaFlop (64bit) right now, on a PCI-e card.
http://us.fixstars.com/products/gigaaccel/
It is Cell powered as you may guess. There is also mention of "720 GF computing power" which I can't even dare to think about it. I guess it is when you combine 4 of them. Oh, just $6100 per one :)
Offer the card, in same price down to cents along with a goodly written driver for Mac Pros and even more miraculously to last generation G5s (Quad/Dual Core).
Open Firmware, Endianness, Altivec, non standard interface (???), all excuses gone. If anyone wonders what I talk about, just watch this card's price when (if!) it ships to Macs. You will understand the comedy going on. In PowerPC times, we had some sort of excuse as "Firmware is hard to code", "drivers man, they can't code for PowerPC" etc. Now all excuses are gone and we sometimes get up to 3x price by this duopoly named NVidia and ATI.
Yes, when you offload the entire thing to CPU and even ignore hardware t&l feature from GeForce 2 ages, it goes down to 5 watts.
Even Apple couldn't stand to their junk and switched back to real GPUs, down to "non pro" laptops.
As a former Amiga user and one of OS/2 Victims, I really know that complex very well. It could be the reason why I think twice before bad mouthing any other company rather than the product/code in question itself.
OK but none of the products gets hit because MySQL exists right? So, is there any reason other than insanity to undermine/conspire/kill MySQL? They act like there is fire in house and Oracle is the mad guy who started it. Did any of these people attempted to contact Oracle a single time relating to the future and independence of MySQL development?
Guess what will small companies choose if there is image of a chaos/forking rather than a known brand like Oracle when they hear MySQL name? Do you know the evil monopoly company who sells 400 dollar bulky Office products successfully in the age of 2009? Yes, they will win and as side effect, their OS monopoly will gain even more ground. All serves to them at the end, somehow.
If they don't come up with a pure technical reason, a proof for forking the project rather than "big company hate" or conspiracy theories, they are already taking this decision politically.
If they think Oracle purchased Sun just to kill their project for 7.2 billion dollars in such state of Global economy, they are bordering megalomania.