If we are just talking about photos, there are even more options. A Flickr Pro subscription allows unlimited photos for $25/yr with (optional) sharing of photos.
Until Yahoo kills the service and deletes all your data.
But I'm sure they'd never kill Flickr the way they killed Yahoo Photos and Yahoo Video and deleted everyone's data, right?
Yahoo happily deleted dead people's personal webpages which cost them nothing in terms of bandwidth or processing power. Most of pages were lame but they were still someone's page.
Google made Chrome x86 only before any other company on OS X land dared to post a non universal binary except Adobe who uses a lot of shared code between Win/OS X.
They didn't even bother to ship a Symbian player/demo/whatever. They could say "Youtube player, with WebM support" and release update to already established Youtube.
Of course, ARM CPU will choke to death when you get this marvelous idea of doing everything on CPU. Even a netbook with a tegra chipset will lose half of its promised battery life/performance as it will have to fallback to CPU.
The absolute comedy is, we are arguing about it while World's true media distribution giant (Apple) has no intention to re-invent the wheel and they agree to Microsoft on that. Apple has put considerable time&money to H264, it isn't like acquiring some unsuccessful codec company and release their stolen codec trusting to how big you are.
Can Google provide us, h264/mpeg sp accelerated device owners, such as less than a billion feature+ phone owners a software to play WebM?
There should also be some kind of remote chip attachment innovation as satellite boxes, dvr and like billion of devices won't accept "new software" as they do their job on hardware level.
Next, they should replace the satellites as entire industry adopted h264 a long time ago.
I have absolutely no idea which "deeper,evil" plan Apple has on this h264 debacle but let me say, I agree to SJobs and Apple on h264. Even Microsoft who is famous for re-inventing the wheel, didn't push their codec further and added h264 support. Ask them why, because it is superior to anything which is on market today and established. On hardware that is!
"We are in contact with the third party to assist them in making the necessary fixes," a spokesperson said.
The firm also said that it was looking into "potential workarounds" until the issue was solved.
fwiw, there's evidence that one potential culprit was a yahoo mail client
Funniest thing is, even if you pay to Yahoo, you won't get IMAP support including standard IDLE support.
So while you monkey with POP3 and very funny tricks (for 2011) like "leave messages on server", you will also notice the same idiots somehow gives a similar and non standard service FOR FREE to iPhone/iPad owners. What is worse is, it probably uses HTTP protocol which wasn't absolutely designed for such thing.
My bet is, Windows Phone 7 also comes with free IMAP IDLE-like but not IMAP support and somehow, while messing around with re-inventing the wheel, they did something wrong.
It is karma of paying customers who has to monkey with outdated POP3 protocol.
(Yahoo! runs FreeBSD on their web frontend servers and for backend operations, last I heard.)
Isn't there something a bit 'iffy' in terms of the quality of the KAME reference implementation that FreeBSD uses for it's IPv6 stack? I seem to recall reading something about it not being quite 'complete' or stable, but that may have been in the context of something else.
As far as I know, Yahoo uses both FreeBSD and PHP whenever available and they made huge contributions to both projects, in terms of money too. On the other hand, Apple isn't even listed in FreeBSD contributor companies.
You see the great, thankful feedback they get from/. community:)
Or it could mean that since Yahoo Mail alone has 300M registered users (never mind their other services) then 1M having a problem is statistically insignificant.
You know one of the worst managed thing at a ISP/Company after DNS? Mail servers. Ask spammers how they are still being able to do business at this age.
They are generally outdated. Now one wonders, if the outdated/misconfigured servers fail to do anything at yahoo.com domain and they start retrying (just like any smtp server), what would happen?
IPv6 experts say some Internet users will experience slowdowns or have trouble connecting to IPv6-enabled Web sites because they have misconfigured or misbehaving network equipment
to
"IPv6 brokenness."
So I should blame the water company if I install my plumbing wrong?
As you give plumbing as example, I feel free to give an example from TV World.
Color TV was a success because TV stations didn't have to bother with BW TV sets. Some analogue genius trick allowed BW sets to keep receiving color and display in black and white. So, people weren't forced to replace their sets.
Same goes for FM radio/Stereo. A mono FM receiver can receive and play stereo FM station even if it includes data such as RDS.
One of the reasons why 3D TV will stay some kind of fantasy? Basically, you can't air 3D TV station or data without displaying like a mess on ordinary 2D TV making it useless for 99%.
Perhaps, IPV6 could have better backward compatibility with IPV4 and such stories wouldn't appear at all.
If you had a clue how lame it looks when you write a comment like that about Yahoo.
It may be valueless for you and me but for people making it one of top 10 sites on global market and number 1 in markets like Japan, it does have a value.
One has to be really disconnected from general public to post a comment about a top 10 www site like that.
Where the hell is VLC for Maemo and Symbian 3 if he is from Nokia. I mean, instead of doing funny things like releasing it to draconian App store at first hand.
Don't panic, Lion won't end your ability to install whatever software you want on your Mac.
While on it, everyone who watched logs during Snow Leopard install can tell that Apple was thinking about "online upgrade of OS" or mass testing it and for some reason they didn't do it. With App Store in place now, Lion OS X will sure have "upgrade from app store" option. Macbook Air owners will sure say "Thank God" as it doesn't have DVD.
One of the developers, Rémi Denis-Courmont, was calling on Apple to allow users to use VLC in the manner that the GPL requires. However Apple decided that they would rather remove VLC from the repository than modify their ToS to allow developers to set their own licensing terms.
Just the time when there is Android (as/. is US centric), Symbian 3, Maemo and even upcoming QNX based BlackBerry tablet they wasted their time for iPad. I would really understand if they were a commercial company who has to be on Apple market but they aren't. There are no idiotic shareholders pushing them. Asking Apple for GPL compliance, especially GPL, not BSD is absolutely tragicomic. Lets say they don't understand Symbian 3 (which is just a kernel, rest is Qt 4), what about Maemo and Meego which are pure Linux? Intel and Nokia would even offer them some coding and devices for free.
Hotmail has improved a lot in the recent years. It is still not nearly as good as gmail, but there are certainly much worse email providers out there.
You notice the story talks about entire mailbox being wiped right? I don't use gmail too, I choose to pay for the mail service so someone will feel responsible for backups, reliability instead of data mining my personal messages.
Rather than straight out "off the shelf" devices, wouldn't they be better served by something equivalent to a Panasonic Toughbook. Maybe that could be covered by 3rd party cases (with built-in batteries) but an iPhone is something that requires a bit of protection even for everyday use.
Well the military guys choose 'laptops' (!) like these: http://www.aselsan.com.tr/urun.asp?urun_id=89&lang=en Funny is, it is considered to be 'light'. BTW these things are sold to NATO members army high level personnel only. Don't try to buy like a friend did:) While on it, it comes with Windows.
A military MD we know keeps buying these. http://www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_r310s-200.php Of course as Ericsson did some AOL thing with Sony, they don't produce anymore. You would be really surprised at some 'package not opened' prices for that old phone. So why he keeps buying? Even that monstrous phone can't stand to field conditions in peace time.
Really, what part of my post says otherwise? Yes I know Yahoo and some people in there and I absolutely know how things went downhill over these years.
They have created/invented amazing things there without using them, they bought companies and couldn't figure what to do with them or integrate it to the gigantic Yahoo utility. They gave up Search which was really performing well for lots of users.
I really wonder why am I the person who gets the blame for simply stating he isn't usual 'Yahoo is dead' troll while predicting something. After the geocities, I gave up theorizing things expecting some kind of logic from them. That was all I said.
The people I've talked to are not closing their accounts - they are exporting their bookmarks, looking for options, and waiting to see what happens. The fact that Diigo has been completely overwhelmed since the news broke makes me think something like this is happening a lot.
I am giving this as an example how you can completely waste millions sized community in a matter of WEEKS, not even months.
Trust me the web (lets call web 2.0) has some amazing speed. Couple of mistakes, you are gone. Your company depends on some person removing you from his/her bookmarks and it takes less than a second.
My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff.
1: Set your start page to Google.com
2: Wait a decade
3: ???
4: You've befriended Google staff
Some of us were using Yahoo and web while you were shitting your pants and in early days it was easy to find people on IRC/Usenet before AC idiots like you came to web.
You know Yahoo staff and even MS staff are HUMAN beings and they wonder around at the Internet right? If you don't treat people like an asshole, report issues, send feedback like a normal human being, not some sick bastard looking for AC button to satisfy yourself, they eventually become people you can call friends.
Web is still small if you know how to behave. Especially Yahoo staff has been spread everywhere.
"My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff."
Boo hoo. Its a business decision, not a personal attack against YOU. Unless you managed to piss off any of your yahoo "friends". Yahoo was a ok service, I suppose, but there are much better. Move to one of those.If you feel entitled to a service and these players keep pissing you off by shutting down and making you have to re-arrange your life every 5 years you can always start your own service. See what its like to run a business, wouldn't that be something?
I only use My Yahoo service and I also check Yahoo mail every 3 days or so. My actual mail provider is Fastmail.fm.
I have absolutely no clue what are you talking about. I am just saying that by my expertise, if a word is out from Yahoo HQ (by accident or otherwise), make sure you start packing. Some people have used and still using del.icio.us in its original purpose and have massive amounts of irreplaceable personal/organised data there. I am doing a favour to them if they don't know what kind of a company and a CEO they are dealing with. They rm -rf'ed DEAD people's personal pages for God's sake.
Much better start page? Where? Google? Unlike your type, some of us can actually find out what is really better in certain areas and who to hand our personal data to. My Yahoo is at actual Web application level now. I don't want to hand Google my personal news habits or choices. Basic as that.
As this is a company who could easily rm -rf entire geocities, easily compressible or archival friendly data, make sure you get a local backup or move your data as soon as today.
Let me also remind they deleted (yes, but with warnings) Yahoo Briefcase right while "cloud based" (sorry!) storage was on rise. Especially in an age where storage networks actually does unbelievable amount of compression built-in (de dupe etc).
My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff. So if I say backup, trust me and start packing. I wouldn't trust to flickr either for same reasons above. Buy/use a good quality 10 pack DVD-R for God's sake.
From the above link: The Fed makes money ex nihilo, pulling it out of thin air rather than taking it from its coffers. Then, it pushes the money into the economy by buying up assets from banks.
So the banks get all this free money at the same time we talk about "deficit reduction" in the form of extending the retirement age, cutting medicare/medicade benefits and a host of other spending (except wars of course). Maybe if we didn't give the banks free money we would have money for things like health care.
If a site can disrupt such a service, can't they respond to some Govt. agency or a large bank when they want to learn every single information about people buying those "evil" books? Especially people using Kindle? Hell Kindle can even send location data, no super secret tech required.
Who would know? Just look at the amazing amount of tracking data on your link. Not blaming you, it is their dark system which does it.
Slashdot Mirror
If we are just talking about photos, there are even more options. A Flickr Pro subscription allows unlimited photos for $25/yr with (optional) sharing of photos.
Until Yahoo kills the service and deletes all your data.
But I'm sure they'd never kill Flickr the way they killed
Yahoo Photos and
Yahoo Video
and deleted everyone's data, right?
Yahoo happily deleted dead people's personal webpages which cost them nothing in terms of bandwidth or processing power.
Most of pages were lame but they were still someone's page.
Google made Chrome x86 only before any other company on OS X land dared to post a non universal binary except Adobe who uses a lot of shared code between Win/OS X.
They didn't even bother to ship a Symbian player/demo/whatever. They could say "Youtube player, with WebM support" and release update to already established Youtube.
Of course, ARM CPU will choke to death when you get this marvelous idea of doing everything on CPU. Even a netbook with a tegra chipset will lose half of its promised battery life/performance as it will have to fallback to CPU.
The absolute comedy is, we are arguing about it while World's true media distribution giant (Apple) has no intention to re-invent the wheel and they agree to Microsoft on that. Apple has put considerable time&money to H264, it isn't like acquiring some unsuccessful codec company and release their stolen codec trusting to how big you are.
Can Google provide us, h264/mpeg sp accelerated device owners, such as less than a billion feature+ phone owners a software to play WebM?
There should also be some kind of remote chip attachment innovation as satellite boxes, dvr and like billion of devices won't accept "new software" as they do their job on hardware level.
Next, they should replace the satellites as entire industry adopted h264 a long time ago.
I have absolutely no idea which "deeper,evil" plan Apple has on this h264 debacle but let me say, I agree to SJobs and Apple on h264. Even Microsoft who is famous for re-inventing the wheel, didn't push their codec further and added h264 support. Ask them why, because it is superior to anything which is on market today and established. On hardware that is!
I really pity them for helping PHP and FreeBSD projects if they have that kind of feedback from so called open source community.
What they should do is, cut the crap and move to MS .NET so MS may have a single credible prestigious "demo" in hand.
I'm glad y'all RTFA and saw where it said
"We are in contact with the third party to assist them in making the necessary fixes," a spokesperson said.
The firm also said that it was looking into "potential workarounds" until the issue was solved.
fwiw, there's evidence that one potential culprit was a yahoo mail client
Funniest thing is, even if you pay to Yahoo, you won't get IMAP support including standard IDLE support.
So while you monkey with POP3 and very funny tricks (for 2011) like "leave messages on server", you will also notice the same idiots somehow gives a similar and non standard service FOR FREE to iPhone/iPad owners. What is worse is, it probably uses HTTP protocol which wasn't absolutely designed for such thing.
My bet is, Windows Phone 7 also comes with free IMAP IDLE-like but not IMAP support and somehow, while messing around with re-inventing the wheel, they did something wrong.
It is karma of paying customers who has to monkey with outdated POP3 protocol.
As long as FreeBSD doesn't die, they should.
(Yahoo! runs FreeBSD on their web frontend servers and for backend operations, last I heard.)
Isn't there something a bit 'iffy' in terms of the quality of the KAME reference implementation that FreeBSD uses for it's IPv6 stack? I seem to recall reading something about it not being quite 'complete' or stable, but that may have been in the context of something else.
As far as I know, Yahoo uses both FreeBSD and PHP whenever available and they made huge contributions to both projects, in terms of money too. On the other hand, Apple isn't even listed in FreeBSD contributor companies.
You see the great, thankful feedback they get from /. community :)
Or it could mean that since Yahoo Mail alone has 300M registered users (never mind their other services) then 1M having a problem is statistically insignificant.
You know one of the worst managed thing at a ISP/Company after DNS? Mail servers. Ask spammers how they are still being able to do business at this age.
They are generally outdated. Now one wonders, if the outdated/misconfigured servers fail to do anything at yahoo.com domain and they start retrying (just like any smtp server), what would happen?
From
IPv6 experts say some Internet users will experience slowdowns or have trouble connecting to IPv6-enabled Web sites because they have misconfigured or misbehaving network equipment
to
"IPv6 brokenness."
So I should blame the water company if I install my plumbing wrong?
As you give plumbing as example, I feel free to give an example from TV World.
Color TV was a success because TV stations didn't have to bother with BW TV sets. Some analogue genius trick allowed BW sets to keep receiving color and display in black and white. So, people weren't forced to replace their sets.
Same goes for FM radio/Stereo. A mono FM receiver can receive and play stereo FM station even if it includes data such as RDS.
One of the reasons why 3D TV will stay some kind of fantasy? Basically, you can't air 3D TV station or data without displaying like a mess on ordinary 2D TV making it useless for 99%.
Perhaps, IPV6 could have better backward compatibility with IPV4 and such stories wouldn't appear at all.
So 1000000 users can't view Yahoo's Web server...
And nothing of value was lost.
If you had a clue how lame it looks when you write a comment like that about Yahoo.
It may be valueless for you and me but for people making it one of top 10 sites on global market and number 1 in markets like Japan, it does have a value.
One has to be really disconnected from general public to post a comment about a top 10 www site like that.
"Windows Live 2011" is what Azure, a real neat idea has become. Sad but true.
Where the hell is VLC for Maemo and Symbian 3 if he is from Nokia.
I mean, instead of doing funny things like releasing it to draconian App store at first hand.
Don't panic, Lion won't end your ability to install whatever software you want on your Mac.
While on it, everyone who watched logs during Snow Leopard install can tell that Apple was thinking about "online upgrade of OS" or mass testing it and for some reason they didn't do it.
With App Store in place now, Lion OS X will sure have "upgrade from app store" option. Macbook Air owners will sure say "Thank God" as it doesn't have DVD.
One of the developers, Rémi Denis-Courmont, was calling on Apple to allow users to use VLC in the manner that the GPL requires. However Apple decided that they would rather remove VLC from the repository than modify their ToS to allow developers to set their own licensing terms.
Just the time when there is Android (as /. is US centric), Symbian 3, Maemo and even upcoming QNX based BlackBerry tablet they wasted their time for iPad.
I would really understand if they were a commercial company who has to be on Apple market but they aren't. There are no idiotic shareholders pushing them.
Asking Apple for GPL compliance, especially GPL, not BSD is absolutely tragicomic.
Lets say they don't understand Symbian 3 (which is just a kernel, rest is Qt 4), what about Maemo and Meego which are pure Linux? Intel and Nokia would even offer them some coding and devices for free.
To the cloud! ...oh wait a sec.
As MS got absolutely nothing to offer on Cloud (once you filter PR mess), perhaps they try to make people lose trust to cloud services? ;)
Hotmail has improved a lot in the recent years. It is still not nearly as good as gmail, but there are certainly much worse email providers out there.
You notice the story talks about entire mailbox being wiped right?
I don't use gmail too, I choose to pay for the mail service so someone will feel responsible for backups, reliability instead of data mining my personal messages.
Rather than straight out "off the shelf" devices, wouldn't they be better served by something equivalent to a Panasonic Toughbook. Maybe that could be covered by 3rd party cases (with built-in batteries) but an iPhone is something that requires a bit of protection even for everyday use.
Well the military guys choose 'laptops' (!) like these: :)
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/urun.asp?urun_id=89&lang=en
Funny is, it is considered to be 'light'.
BTW these things are sold to NATO members army high level personnel only. Don't try to buy like a friend did
While on it, it comes with Windows.
A military MD we know keeps buying these.
http://www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_r310s-200.php
Of course as Ericsson did some AOL thing with Sony, they don't produce anymore. You would be really surprised at some 'package not opened' prices for that old phone. So why he keeps buying? Even that monstrous phone can't stand to field conditions in peace time.
Hope I won't give anyone an heart attack by stating this fact but a lot of military software runs on Windows. It even includes some missiles.
Of course their quality standards could be way more higher than anyone down to the choice of languages (e.g. ADA).
I gotta get back to ya later Mom - I'm kinda engaged right now.
What if I told you me and 10+ other guys saw 'AFK: Real War' from an actual soldier in Afghanistan playing a war simulation at that time?
(not naming any names including game)
Really, what part of my post says otherwise? Yes I know Yahoo and some people in there and I absolutely know how things went downhill over these years.
They have created/invented amazing things there without using them, they bought companies and couldn't figure what to do with them or integrate it to the gigantic Yahoo utility. They gave up Search which was really performing well for lots of users.
I really wonder why am I the person who gets the blame for simply stating he isn't usual 'Yahoo is dead' troll while predicting something. After the geocities, I gave up theorizing things expecting some kind of logic from them. That was all I said.
The people I've talked to are not closing their accounts - they are exporting their bookmarks, looking for options, and waiting to see what happens. The fact that Diigo has been completely overwhelmed since the news broke makes me think something like this is happening a lot.
I am giving this as an example how you can completely waste millions sized community in a matter of WEEKS, not even months.
http://www.digg.com/
Trust me the web (lets call web 2.0) has some amazing speed. Couple of mistakes, you are gone. Your company depends on some person removing you from his/her bookmarks and it takes less than a second.
My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff.
1: Set your start page to Google.com
2: Wait a decade
3: ???
4: You've befriended Google staff
Some of us were using Yahoo and web while you were shitting your pants and in early days it was easy to find people on IRC/Usenet before AC idiots like you came to web.
You know Yahoo staff and even MS staff are HUMAN beings and they wonder around at the Internet right? If you don't treat people like an asshole, report issues, send feedback like a normal human being, not some sick bastard looking for AC button to satisfy yourself, they eventually become people you can call friends.
Web is still small if you know how to behave. Especially Yahoo staff has been spread everywhere.
"My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff."
Boo hoo. Its a business decision, not a personal attack against YOU. Unless you managed to piss off any of your yahoo "friends". Yahoo was a ok service, I suppose, but there are much better. Move to one of those.If you feel entitled to a service and these players keep pissing you off by shutting down and making you have to re-arrange your life every 5 years you can always start your own service. See what its like to run a business, wouldn't that be something?
I only use My Yahoo service and I also check Yahoo mail every 3 days or so. My actual mail provider is Fastmail.fm.
I have absolutely no clue what are you talking about. I am just saying that by my expertise, if a word is out from Yahoo HQ (by accident or otherwise), make sure you start packing. Some people have used and still using del.icio.us in its original purpose and have massive amounts of irreplaceable personal/organised data there. I am doing a favour to them if they don't know what kind of a company and a CEO they are dealing with. They rm -rf'ed DEAD people's personal pages for God's sake.
Much better start page? Where? Google? Unlike your type, some of us can actually find out what is really better in certain areas and who to hand our personal data to. My Yahoo is at actual Web application level now. I don't want to hand Google my personal news habits or choices. Basic as that.
yahoo! is just saying, "anybody want to buy it?"
Spreading word like that drops an online services value to absolute zero. An online service lives by user trust.
I really wonder their account closure ratings right now after the news have spread even to mainstream media.
As this is a company who could easily rm -rf entire geocities, easily compressible or archival friendly data, make sure you get a local backup or move your data as soon as today.
Let me also remind they deleted (yes, but with warnings) Yahoo Briefcase right while "cloud based" (sorry!) storage was on rise. Especially in an age where storage networks actually does unbelievable amount of compression built-in (de dupe etc).
My start page is my.yahoo.com for almost a decade now and in all these years, I have befriended some actual Yahoo staff. So if I say backup, trust me and start packing. I wouldn't trust to flickr either for same reasons above. Buy/use a good quality 10 pack DVD-R for God's sake.
The sad part is, we don't need Wikileaks to know that the Fed should be abolished
http://www.amazon.com/Web-Debt-Ellen-Hodgson-Brown/dp/0979560888/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291296798&sr=8-1
From the above link:
The Fed makes money ex nihilo, pulling it out of thin air rather than taking it from its coffers. Then, it pushes the money into the economy by buying up assets from banks.
So the banks get all this free money at the same time we talk about "deficit reduction" in the form of extending the retirement age, cutting medicare/medicade benefits and a host of other spending (except wars of course). Maybe if we didn't give the banks free money we would have money for things like health care.
If a site can disrupt such a service, can't they respond to some Govt. agency or a large bank when they want to learn every single information about people buying those "evil" books? Especially people using Kindle? Hell Kindle can even send location data, no super secret tech required.
Who would know? Just look at the amazing amount of tracking data on your link. Not blaming you, it is their dark system which does it.