not the point, the point is that the whole thing needs a rewrite anyway, so why not choose a living rather than dying language before doing it?
I do much coding as part of my job, haven't seen anyone choosing Perl for project in last decade, and my clients are huge municipal, state, and county IT operations with budget from millions to over a billion dollars. Perl is dying, it is undead.
So what? the point is that for over a decade, Larry and his cohorts have been farting around with Perl6 with no production implementation to show for it, just a bunch of endless mental masturbation
power and money grubbing corporations with lawmakers in their pockets, like Tepco, can do much harm with "nukes". Japan's corporations seem especially gifted with this, for example untrained workers actually unknowingly making a crude nuclear reactor in 1999 by adding one too many buckets of 18% enriched uranyl nitrate to a precipitation tank, with two deaths and a survivor severe radiation poisoning.
last time I checked the UI of Slashdot was becoming ever more bloated, ugly and less functional. They should ditch the Perl for a modern language while rewriting the whole ball of shit.
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no, that would be C, which also holds your Perl together. I can run and admin a server without perl installed, but not without C
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In default installs, Python is eating Perl's lunch on the command line, I can confirm by greping through my distro's/usr/bin and/usr/sbin. More python scripts to admin the system than Perl! That argument (in the default install) doesn't hold as much weight anymore, Python is also default in most major linux distros (and the new admin stuff is using that, while the crufty Perl admin scripts linger because no one cares to rewrite them).
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Troll? You mention java, there are five times the web sites using server-side j2ee (bloated crap that sells hardware) compared to Perl. Sure, it's everywhere doing legacy crap like the (spartan) OpenBSD package management system I mentioned elsewhere in this thread , but essentially no one is choosing it for new projects, i anything BUT Perl is the norm. Face it man, it's a 90s language and it is dying. Netcraft and other web stat sites help confirm it. And Larry is killing it.
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well, all the other languages jacked Perl's DBI (and many, many other things) for their libraries.
Your company has history with Perl, but I don't think it will be chosen for new things now, PHP alone is mostly eating its lunch. Web serving the stats are something like 75% PHP5.x and 20% dot-NET but only 1% Perl with J2EE 5% (some overlap as sites run multiple langauges, but still....). Compare that to over ten years ago (when I was developing in Perl), it's really fallen.
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forgot in/usr/libexec has vi.recover and makewhatis in perl
had to check, but the c2ph/pstruct is in the base49.tgz
heavily audited chrooted 1.3 apache is in the default install,
,
It's sour grapes, I used Perl in development as was and fanboy over a decade ago. Major disappointment for me the way things went.
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but, as with COBOL, that momentum is running down while with other scripting languages things are heating up. I like a language where the attention of the found and key developers are focusing on what will be used in the near future, not flying off into lala land for a decade speaking to each other in isolation.
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I love OpenBSD. But aside from scripts for mucking with perl itself, the reason perl is in the base install is to run the following (mostly brain dead simple) things:
in/usr/bin:
afmtodit font file creator for groff
c2ph/pstruct dump c structure with offsets from debugger stabs
find2perl convert find command with args to perl program
piconv character encoding converter
sed2p sed to perl converter
Nothing that couldn't be done better as a side effect to a rewrite to more modern and alive language, the apxs, package manager and add/delete user is probably the only things most people use beside some that might use the apache extension handler. That package manager is especially aching for better features anyway.
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I don't, there is huge financial services industry in Chicago area, hot languages are dot-NET family, j2ee, objective C, c/c++, php5 , but haven't seen Perl for ages.
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Back in its day, Perl was vastly superior to its alternatives for web server language or large/large shell script jobs. So many superior (e.g. python) or just simpler (e.g. php5) alternatives have arisen while Larry vainly struggles on trying to turn Perl 6 into a swiss army knife complete with toilet, bowling ball and strap-less bra. Thus is the language is dying off, I see few projects done in Perl at my clients (which have tens of millions to billion+ dollar IT budgets). Sure, it's part of the important legacy code in various configuration and building tools for various OS that I use, but I could say the same for the remaining COBOL that lingers at my clients. It's undead but hardly living.
Do what I do, get a used HP thin client or similar on eBay for $25 or so. Put a 40 or 60 GB usb mini- hard disk on it and install a BSD on it (OpenBSD, DragonFly, NetBSD, or FreeBSD) Use dynamic dns if you don't have a static address. Put sshd and also webshell under Apache on it so you can get to command line via https from anywhere that you can't use ssh (like airport internet kiosk, for example). Install w3m or lynx for web browsing. mutt or pine can be your email reader, and even if someone sends you a picture or pdf you can save it to a web-served directory for viewing. Put a smtp server on there like postfix or qmail or whatever you like. Add "screen" so you can run multiple programs without worrying if connection drops. Maybe put in an irc client to chat with friends (epic4 for me) Now you have a very low power-consuming server (mine pulls 16.5 watts most of the time) you can leave on to be your command line home away from home,and with the big hard drive you can even put important files there to be grabbed.
you are very confused, the World Wide Web is not the Internet, though it is related. You must have been road kill on the Information Superhighway, I was an 18 Wheeler.
The term "internet" to describe global network using tcp/ip as protocol was coined in very famous RFC done in 1974. I suggest shooting yourself in the butt with a valium dart, it would be uncommon but not unheard of to speak of the ARPANET.
The term was from 1974, but ARPANET or NSFNET (expansion of arpanet to universities) would have been term widely used or recognized in 1985 by users.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc675
so where's the distributed database system to go with this solution, that scales to thousands of nodes and billions of records in tens of thousands of either tables or hierarchical structures like xml, yaml or whatever?
maybe it was Ghaddafi's bodyguards taking it all off except their weapons, and shaking their booties and boobies......ooo. Rule #34,/me hits the search engine!!!
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not the point, the point is that the whole thing needs a rewrite anyway, so why not choose a living rather than dying language before doing it?
I do much coding as part of my job, haven't seen anyone choosing Perl for project in last decade, and my clients are huge municipal, state, and county IT operations with budget from millions to over a billion dollars. Perl is dying, it is undead.
So what? the point is that for over a decade, Larry and his cohorts have been farting around with Perl6 with no production implementation to show for it, just a bunch of endless mental masturbation
power and money grubbing corporations with lawmakers in their pockets, like Tepco, can do much harm with "nukes". Japan's corporations seem especially gifted with this, for example untrained workers actually unknowingly making a crude nuclear reactor in 1999 by adding one too many buckets of 18% enriched uranyl nitrate to a precipitation tank, with two deaths and a survivor severe radiation poisoning.
I had the same thought when someone mentioned Perl 6 would be out soon
last time I checked the UI of Slashdot was becoming ever more bloated, ugly and less functional. They should ditch the Perl for a modern language while rewriting the whole ball of shit.
no, that would be C, which also holds your Perl together. I can run and admin a server without perl installed, but not without C
In default installs, Python is eating Perl's lunch on the command line, I can confirm by greping through my distro's /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. More python scripts to admin the system than Perl! That argument (in the default install) doesn't hold as much weight anymore, Python is also default in most major linux distros (and the new admin stuff is using that, while the crufty Perl admin scripts linger because no one cares to rewrite them).
Troll? You mention java, there are five times the web sites using server-side j2ee (bloated crap that sells hardware) compared to Perl. Sure, it's everywhere doing legacy crap like the (spartan) OpenBSD package management system I mentioned elsewhere in this thread , but essentially no one is choosing it for new projects, i anything BUT Perl is the norm. Face it man, it's a 90s language and it is dying. Netcraft and other web stat sites help confirm it. And Larry is killing it.
well, all the other languages jacked Perl's DBI (and many, many other things) for their libraries.
Your company has history with Perl, but I don't think it will be chosen for new things now, PHP alone is mostly eating its lunch. Web serving the stats are something like 75% PHP5.x and 20% dot-NET but only 1% Perl with J2EE 5% (some overlap as sites run multiple langauges, but still....). Compare that to over ten years ago (when I was developing in Perl), it's really fallen.
forgot in /usr/libexec has vi.recover and makewhatis in perl
had to check, but the c2ph/pstruct is in the base49.tgz
heavily audited chrooted 1.3 apache is in the default install,
,
It's sour grapes, I used Perl in development as was and fanboy over a decade ago. Major disappointment for me the way things went.
but, as with COBOL, that momentum is running down while with other scripting languages things are heating up. I like a language where the attention of the found and key developers are focusing on what will be used in the near future, not flying off into lala land for a decade speaking to each other in isolation.
I love OpenBSD. But aside from scripts for mucking with perl itself, the reason perl is in the base install is to run the following (mostly brain dead simple) things:
/usr/sbin:
/usr/bin:
in
add_user and rm_user scripts
apxs (apache extension DSO builder / installer)
pkg_chk, pkg_delete, pkg_info, pkg_create, pkg_merge (our simple and crude package manager)
in
afmtodit font file creator for groff
c2ph/pstruct dump c structure with offsets from debugger stabs
find2perl convert find command with args to perl program
piconv character encoding converter
sed2p sed to perl converter
Nothing that couldn't be done better as a side effect to a rewrite to more modern and alive language, the apxs, package manager and add/delete user is probably the only things most people use beside some that might use the apache extension handler. That package manager is especially aching for better features anyway.
I don't, there is huge financial services industry in Chicago area, hot languages are dot-NET family, j2ee, objective C, c/c++, php5 , but haven't seen Perl for ages.
Back in its day, Perl was vastly superior to its alternatives for web server language or large/large shell script jobs. So many superior (e.g. python) or just simpler (e.g. php5) alternatives have arisen while Larry vainly struggles on trying to turn Perl 6 into a swiss army knife complete with toilet, bowling ball and strap-less bra. Thus is the language is dying off, I see few projects done in Perl at my clients (which have tens of millions to billion+ dollar IT budgets). Sure, it's part of the important legacy code in various configuration and building tools for various OS that I use, but I could say the same for the remaining COBOL that lingers at my clients. It's undead but hardly living.
This is about trademark, and I can assure you under trademark law 6 != six
it was SEAL Team Six, not 6, but it was also was called ST6.
The Navy's team is Seal Team Six.
But Disney had better not piss off its founder and namer Richard "Demo Dick" Marcinko, that's one bad ass mutherfucker
Do what I do, get a used HP thin client or similar on eBay for $25 or so. Put a 40 or 60 GB usb mini- hard disk on it and install a BSD on it (OpenBSD, DragonFly, NetBSD, or FreeBSD) Use dynamic dns if you don't have a static address. Put sshd and also webshell under Apache on it so you can get to command line via https from anywhere that you can't use ssh (like airport internet kiosk, for example). Install w3m or lynx for web browsing. mutt or pine can be your email reader, and even if someone sends you a picture or pdf you can save it to a web-served directory for viewing. Put a smtp server on there like postfix or qmail or whatever you like. Add "screen" so you can run multiple programs without worrying if connection drops. Maybe put in an irc client to chat with friends (epic4 for me) Now you have a very low power-consuming server (mine pulls 16.5 watts most of the time) you can leave on to be your command line home away from home,and with the big hard drive you can even put important files there to be grabbed.
looks like a tiny subset of 4.2 BSD to me
you are very confused, the World Wide Web is not the Internet, though it is related. You must have been road kill on the Information Superhighway, I was an 18 Wheeler.
The term "internet" to describe global network using tcp/ip as protocol was coined in very famous RFC done in 1974. I suggest shooting yourself in the butt with a valium dart, it would be uncommon but not unheard of to speak of the ARPANET.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc675
The term was from 1974, but ARPANET or NSFNET (expansion of arpanet to universities) would have been term widely used or recognized in 1985 by users. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc675
so where's the distributed database system to go with this solution, that scales to thousands of nodes and billions of records in tens of thousands of either tables or hierarchical structures like xml, yaml or whatever?
maybe it was Ghaddafi's bodyguards taking it all off except their weapons, and shaking their booties and boobies. .....ooo. Rule #34, /me hits the search engine!!!
you are obviously unaware of the phenomenon of synchronization of menstrual periods by women cohabitating, The all went PMS and on the rag at once.