You can guarantee I'll just sit at home to recover, instead. Fuck your profit scheme designed to have doctors make you money by working when they should not be working.
"Do you have any information to support that position?"
Which COUNTRY/CONTINENT would you like to contact and ask about my production systems? Morocco? Yemen? UK? Eastern Australia? Hong Kong? Japan? USA?
I can give you contact information to any of those. It's my job as a GLOBAL research director.
"Because I'm pretty sure people have been farming in muddy fields with the economic input of some cowshit and manual labor for tens of thousands of years."
Yep, they have, and it's very, VERY inefficient and wasteful.
"We do things outside because it is the cheapest method."
Not even close. We can drop water, land, and nutrient usage by UP TO 99% versus land methods, depending upon crop.
"you've got free sunlight... agricultural land is CHEAP. You build away from anything else... why do you think some factory space near a city is going to have remotely comparable realestate prices to some field in the middle of Iowa or Kentucky or wherever? You find cheap land with good sun, good soil, and access to water... and you farm it. We have a massive... and very efficient agro business sector. I don't know why you think they're this incompetent at their jobs that they wouldn't do things in the best possible way."
Free sunlight which plants are terribly inefficient at absorbing. Agricultural land which requires huge machines to maintain and harvest. Then you forget the damage that most farmers do - planting the same crop which inevitably makes the field useless for that crop without proper crop rotation, which costs money because a different crop to replenish your soil might bring in far less yield and money.
Then you say Agro business - that's for cattle and livestock, not HORTICULTURAL, which is for plants. And no, it's NOT efficient at all. They are incompetent at their jobs. Oprah wasn't just taking jabs at the beef industry for no fucking reason.
"I think this sort of thing makes the most sense for small growers... home growers... maybe specialty growers that can get a higher price. But the economics can't work out if you're selling your products to a canning plant or something."
When you can produce the same crop at equal to or less than half-price of current traditional farming methods, your supposed economic lesson falls apart.
Try again. There is a BIG reason the world is moving towards this sort of production - quality, consistency, reliability, fewer pest problems, and MUCH MORE.
No, because most websites regurgitate the same marketing bullshit.
If you'd like to know more, just ask me. I used to provide these services for Google (directly tested/vetted by them before being offered the position, too.)
"Wrong... you have to factor the cost, maintenance, depreciation, and subsidies of the solar facility."
Far, FAR less than the cost of the tractor you would need to harvest a flat field of land 8 times the size since you didn't bother going indoor vertical farming.
Maintenance? Deprecation? It's called a well-built system. My solar installs are guaranteed and warrantied for 50 years of no-fuss usability. Payback time - 6 months to a year.
Many White LEDs use a UV base. Some utilize UVB, in part due to how we have phosphor blends tuned to work with the UVB emissions that come from fluorescent lamps.
So some do emit ionizing radiation. Also, with this kind of setup, one would be foolish to not employ UVB LEDs and UVC germicidal gas lamps to ensure essentially zero pest problems ever.
"What Phillips is doing in this 'Growwise indoor farm' is wasting more energy than it needs to --- plants do not need green lights, that is why their leaves are green colored"
But you keep getting suckered by LED Marketing. Meanwhile, anybody who actually paid attention to real credible research within the past half decade+ knows better. Philips obviously doesn't have a clue.
" For example, chlorophyll, the dye molecule used by many plants, only absorbs significantly in relatively narrow bands of the blue and red [wikipedia.org], corresponding to 2% of the total solar irradiant power."
This is why you should never, EVER rely upon Wikipedia, people.
Guess why HPS lighting works so well for growing weed and other crops despite being extremely heavy in green output? It sure isn't the piss-piddly amount of red and orange coming from it, nor is it the huge amount of IR.
I can guarantee you Philips hasn't been tuning shit. They've been stealing the wavelength blends from other people.
I could probably churn out more than 900 pots of basil (a pot being one container large enough to hold a multi-seeded rockwool cube.) In one square meter using an NFT system, you could easily fit 100-120 pots. 4-5 weeks until harvest time, 900 or more per year per square meter is typical.
Yes plants respond better to specific wavelengths. No halogen isn't useful for IR. What the ill-informed OP meant to say was Metal Halide or Pressurized Sodium lamps, not Halogen, but trying to be quick to making the connection to pot must've damaged the ability to think clearly and concisely.
"but they're one of the worlds most important developers of lighting, we need more efficient led lights,"
Then you sure as fuck should NOT be looking at Philips. You should be looking at CREE. Cree holds the records for power LEDs. Philips pales in comparison. Within a year or so we'll have 300+ lumen per watt LEDs at 5250K CCT. Philips barely breaks 100 lumens per watt.
I love how slashdot sucks up to Philips advertising while forgetting their very own denizens that have been doing this LONG BEFORE Philips got into the game.
Let me tell you why the Philips system is a bad idea:
1. Of the Philips lighting I've tested - EVERY PIECE WAS FALSELY ADVERTISED. Under-specced in every aspect. 2. Of the Philips lighting I've had custom-specified - THEY STOLE MY LIGHTING BLENDS. Your heavy-blue lighting regimen for most leafy greens came directly from me, while everyone else was doing red-heavy lighting. 3. Philips has been trying to play the finance game with their lighting systems - dead giveaway to scams is when you need to finance something. 4. I've caught Philips fucking over two other clients so far, and I expect to find that they have fucked over several others as soon as that lighting that was sent to them gets shipped to me and dissected.
Do not get Philips LED lighting. They've been playing games with me and other people in the horticultural industry, stealing our ideas and designs.
Slashdot supports outright thievery with the publication of this 'article.'
It doesn't happen until you SELECT MULTIPLE SONGS.
I didn't have to do that unnecessary extra step in Winamp or AIMP2 - it's called a fucking ID3 tag, and if Apple had them done PROPERLY a "This is a compilation" checkbox wouldn't be fucking necessary.
LEDs now days are so good that after they hit their typical 70% of brand-new output they're still pushing more light per watt than brand-new HID bulbs.
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How the fuck is this flamebait? Must be some employers running around with mod points, today. Perhaps even Slashdot owners.
You can guarantee I'll just sit at home to recover, instead. Fuck your profit scheme designed to have doctors make you money by working when they should not be working.
Hrm, for some reason, despite being logged in for this session, /. forgot my cookies.
Anyways, the offer still stands.
Let's just get it out of the way.
4555 Pine Street, Unit 4-C
Riverside, CA, 92501
Come on over. I should have my new medical marijuana test grow underway by then, if you do actually show.
"Do you have any information to support that position?"
Which COUNTRY/CONTINENT would you like to contact and ask about my production systems? Morocco? Yemen? UK? Eastern Australia? Hong Kong? Japan? USA?
I can give you contact information to any of those. It's my job as a GLOBAL research director.
"Because I'm pretty sure people have been farming in muddy fields with the economic input of some cowshit and manual labor for tens of thousands of years."
Yep, they have, and it's very, VERY inefficient and wasteful.
"We do things outside because it is the cheapest method."
Not even close. We can drop water, land, and nutrient usage by UP TO 99% versus land methods, depending upon crop.
"you've got free sunlight... agricultural land is CHEAP. You build away from anything else... why do you think some factory space near a city is going to have remotely comparable realestate prices to some field in the middle of Iowa or Kentucky or wherever? You find cheap land with good sun, good soil, and access to water... and you farm it. We have a massive... and very efficient agro business sector. I don't know why you think they're this incompetent at their jobs that they wouldn't do things in the best possible way."
Free sunlight which plants are terribly inefficient at absorbing. Agricultural land which requires huge machines to maintain and harvest. Then you forget the damage that most farmers do - planting the same crop which inevitably makes the field useless for that crop without proper crop rotation, which costs money because a different crop to replenish your soil might bring in far less yield and money.
Then you say Agro business - that's for cattle and livestock, not HORTICULTURAL, which is for plants. And no, it's NOT efficient at all. They are incompetent at their jobs. Oprah wasn't just taking jabs at the beef industry for no fucking reason.
"I think this sort of thing makes the most sense for small growers... home growers... maybe specialty growers that can get a higher price. But the economics can't work out if you're selling your products to a canning plant or something."
When you can produce the same crop at equal to or less than half-price of current traditional farming methods, your supposed economic lesson falls apart.
Try again. There is a BIG reason the world is moving towards this sort of production - quality, consistency, reliability, fewer pest problems, and MUCH MORE.
"Everyone who knows about LED grows, knows you get that cheap as shit SMT LED lighting strip"
Maybe if you're growing lettuce or mint could you get away with shitty LED lighting.
Anything that bears a fruiting body needs way more light than that shitty 5050 SMT strip is going to output.
That's not how Cree is getting 300+ lumens per watt in the lab. :)
If you want REAL efficiency, you use high-energy photons. 450nm is nothing compared to 285nm.
No, because most websites regurgitate the same marketing bullshit.
If you'd like to know more, just ask me. I used to provide these services for Google (directly tested/vetted by them before being offered the position, too.)
"Wrong... you have to factor the cost, maintenance, depreciation, and subsidies of the solar facility."
Far, FAR less than the cost of the tractor you would need to harvest a flat field of land 8 times the size since you didn't bother going indoor vertical farming.
Maintenance? Deprecation? It's called a well-built system. My solar installs are guaranteed and warrantied for 50 years of no-fuss usability. Payback time - 6 months to a year.
Nothing if you solar power the facility, like several hydro production facilities I've designed and helped construct have.
No, they're not. They're all over the board 'utilizing' every other person's light blend.
Glad I kept my other two high-performance general crop light blends to myself. They already took my 40/60 B:R lighting formula.
Many White LEDs use a UV base. Some utilize UVB, in part due to how we have phosphor blends tuned to work with the UVB emissions that come from fluorescent lamps.
So some do emit ionizing radiation. Also, with this kind of setup, one would be foolish to not employ UVB LEDs and UVC germicidal gas lamps to ensure essentially zero pest problems ever.
"What Phillips is doing in this 'Growwise indoor farm' is wasting more energy than it needs to --- plants do not need green lights, that is why their leaves are green colored"
Wrong.
http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/...
But you keep getting suckered by LED Marketing. Meanwhile, anybody who actually paid attention to real credible research within the past half decade+ knows better. Philips obviously doesn't have a clue.
"And if you have ANY interest in doing this efficiently, then you'll use the sun and not LEDs."
Sun = ~93 lumens per watt.
LED = ~220+ lumens per watt.
Try again when you're actually educated in the subject, okay?
We can just irradiate the crops with UVB and UVC light for pest control. LEDs and fluorescent tubes make that pretty easy to do.
" For example, chlorophyll, the dye molecule used by many plants, only absorbs significantly in relatively narrow bands of the blue and red [wikipedia.org], corresponding to 2% of the total solar irradiant power."
WRONG.
http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/...
This is why you should never, EVER rely upon Wikipedia, people.
Guess why HPS lighting works so well for growing weed and other crops despite being extremely heavy in green output? It sure isn't the piss-piddly amount of red and orange coming from it, nor is it the huge amount of IR.
I can guarantee you Philips hasn't been tuning shit. They've been stealing the wavelength blends from other people.
I could probably churn out more than 900 pots of basil (a pot being one container large enough to hold a multi-seeded rockwool cube.) In one square meter using an NFT system, you could easily fit 100-120 pots. 4-5 weeks until harvest time, 900 or more per year per square meter is typical.
I built a building in Texas that can do 3,000+ heads of lettuce PER DAY. 20 foot by 60 foot.
I can even do most of your 'superfood' grass crops without light at all.
Yes plants respond better to specific wavelengths. No halogen isn't useful for IR. What the ill-informed OP meant to say was Metal Halide or Pressurized Sodium lamps, not Halogen, but trying to be quick to making the connection to pot must've damaged the ability to think clearly and concisely.
Bullshit, you most fucking certainly do not know what they meant. 900 pots PER YEAR in ONE SQUARE METER?
Even my best high-yield technology with an 8-week strain doesn't even pull that much.
And I've been growing weed legally and professionally for almost a decade.
So no, you quit with the smart-ass remarks against a useful technology.
I can tell you're from Colorado. You act like the typical brah douchebag that comes from there with that shitty humor.
"but they're one of the worlds most important developers of lighting, we need more efficient led lights,"
Then you sure as fuck should NOT be looking at Philips. You should be looking at CREE. Cree holds the records for power LEDs. Philips pales in comparison. Within a year or so we'll have 300+ lumen per watt LEDs at 5250K CCT. Philips barely breaks 100 lumens per watt.
I love how slashdot sucks up to Philips advertising while forgetting their very own denizens that have been doing this LONG BEFORE Philips got into the game.
Let me tell you why the Philips system is a bad idea:
1. Of the Philips lighting I've tested - EVERY PIECE WAS FALSELY ADVERTISED. Under-specced in every aspect.
2. Of the Philips lighting I've had custom-specified - THEY STOLE MY LIGHTING BLENDS. Your heavy-blue lighting regimen for most leafy greens came directly from me, while everyone else was doing red-heavy lighting.
3. Philips has been trying to play the finance game with their lighting systems - dead giveaway to scams is when you need to finance something.
4. I've caught Philips fucking over two other clients so far, and I expect to find that they have fucked over several others as soon as that lighting that was sent to them gets shipped to me and dissected.
Do not get Philips LED lighting. They've been playing games with me and other people in the horticultural industry, stealing our ideas and designs.
Slashdot supports outright thievery with the publication of this 'article.'
"Currently I'd bet yes, this meets the necessary requirements for Organic"
No, Organic certification forbids the usage of artificial irradiation.
Indoor lighting != natural radiation.
"Did the really, really obvious"
It doesn't happen until you SELECT MULTIPLE SONGS.
I didn't have to do that unnecessary extra step in Winamp or AIMP2 - it's called a fucking ID3 tag, and if Apple had them done PROPERLY a "This is a compilation" checkbox wouldn't be fucking necessary.
So it's not smart enough to realize that being in the same folder likely means it's on the same album.
As if it couldn't fucking scan the ID3 tag and learn this?
What a shit piece of 'advanced' software.
Even shitty old Winamp and AIMP2 can manage to get this right, with TWO clicks.
LEDs now days are so good that after they hit their typical 70% of brand-new output they're still pushing more light per watt than brand-new HID bulbs.
So who buys used LEDs? Smart people.
5 years payback time?
You can buy the full fucking retrofit from Alibaba and your typical payback time is six months OR LESS.
LEASING SCHEMES ARE SCAMS. QUIT FALLING FOR LEASING SCAMS.