Actually, I can see a simple bit of legalese solving the problem almost in its entirety (notwithstanding the bullshit DRM can cause.)
"Software, before release, must undergo a period of rigorous testing which utilizes at least 250,000 physical computers of varying configurations of hardware and other installed software, for a period of no less than 60 consecutive days. The tests must be performed by people outside of the company or entity releasing the software."
"I couldn't suppress a chuckle at the thought of a video game recall."
How about a recall of the system itself? Remember the Wii and Smash Bros Brawl, DVD problem?
"My contention has always been that the schemes you seem so proud of are not economically viable vs far more conventional"
Oh, let's fix that.
What would also take that same grass crop three weeks in land, you've done in one. So with a 3x faster turnaround time, you're 24x more productive in 1/8 acre.
No, the $0.50 is the market rate per kilogram. Actual cost of production? Far lower, about $0.05.
"I know farm chemicals can be expensive, but I can't imagine how much all that costs."
Dirt cheap. And they last years and years, compared to chemicals which require being bought and replenished much more often. That original building in the UK is still running the original ozone generators and UVC LEDs.
"One screw-up and you'll be looking at total losses. It's bad enough in greenhouses when it happens."
Exact same can be said of land crops. Pay attention to the rice failure in India that recently occurred.
"On a Mars Colony that tech would be absolutely invaluable. Here on Earth it's an economic dead end"
Which is why Toshiba has jumped into the game? Which is why Philips is in it? Which is why I've got companies and people from all over the globe contracting my services in design and specification?
Looks like there's plenty of money there to me. In case you didn't know, food is always in demand, especially on the production side. Food production simply can not be en economic dead end. It is in fact an economic STAPLE.
They released a half-finished game and KNEW it was half-finished. They'd hoped to ride on the sales and issue a patch later. They accomplished this with the review embargo, and they KNEW that was the purpose of the embargo - to allow them to get those initial sales out before the shit hit the fan.
There should be a lawsuit on this fairly soon, I'd imagine.
Depends on the crop. On average we yield 1 acre worth in 1/8 of an acre growing fodder grasses for livestock.
" What is the cost per bushel?"
Depends on the crop, oh and the rest of the world doesn't go by bushel, they tend to go by the kilogram. Let's take fodder grass, since I'm already on that crop. Roughly $0.50 USD per kilogram. The grass is also grown using a special zero-light technology which the BBC has covered.
"What sort of pest control regimen do you use?"
Most of the buildings are sealed with clean room entrances (the original building in the UK does not have a clean room entrance as it was a prototype/POC building.) Pest control is never an issue. Fungal/mold control is, and we use UV-C LED lighting to treat that, along with ozone generators.
"You'll know those numbers or ones close to it if you are who you say you are, which I don't believe you are."
"If your alternatives really were cost effective alternatives, where are the large scale operations producing food and selling it for less than the "chemical-intensive agriculture"?"
Already being used around the world, from Korea to Japan to Morocco to Dubai to Australia to right here in the USA. I just finished building a couple out in Tyler, Texas earlier this year.
And they are cost effective. What takes a full acre can be done in 1/8 acre with said technology. You almost entirely eliminate the need for fuel-burning harvesting machines, which kills fuel/energy costs and maintenance costs on harvesting equipment. You utilize much less water and nutrients to grow an equal crop, so you save more money there, and you help save the environment some as you can control your waste, unlike with traditional chemical+soil agriculture. Newer systems are so efficient energy-wise that they can be entirely solar-powered, and still have a little left over to feed into the grid, so you can get paid for producing power.
" And Big Ag doesn't just feed hippies, it feeds the world, and there currently isn't any good substitute for it."
Bullshit. We have plenty of alternatives to chemical-intensive agriculture. From vertical farming methods to advanced hydroponics methods that can reduce water AND nutrient requirements by 95% and 60% respectively.
~former research director for international horticultural company
The money we get from security stocks and such in the energy futures market. Oh plus we actually have a worthwhile power grid. Ditto water system, while most of SoCal is burning, we're still sitting on a huge reservoir and we make more money off of that.
We just got a new park and community garden opened up out here, through the funds raised from that plus the checks we get back every year (which is actually a sizable amount, almost 1/3 my yearly power bill.) You're not going to see that coming from a private utility company.
"If you want to see some of the most corrupt businesses alive today, look no further than utilities."
What utility are you talking about? I know that being a part of the Riverside Public Utilities grid, I in fact get a damned check BACK every year, because every resident on the grid is a shareholder.
"but a Mac with Adblock tends to be a bit harder to get infested than a Windows machine"
That's the original claim I'm responding to. Quit putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
The words I said are pretty goddamned simple to understand - Macs are as vulnerable as Windows machines. And if you think the Pwn-to-Own contest isn't worthwhile enough, then bear in mind that roughly half of all Apple computers cannot receive security updates due to how their security practices are implemented, which means there are TONS of vulnerable OSX machines out there as patches are provided only to the newest OS X and the one immediately preceding it, and the older machines may not run the newest versions, which means they're stuck.
Or how about direct talk from the guy that PWNED Apple computers in the 2008 and 2009 Pwn-to-Own - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/appl...
Sure, and funny enough you're on the site that can provide you with them, since the exact thing I'm talking about has been./ headline material several times for several years in a row.
And with a UID as low as yours, you should've seen them.
If you think FB is going to be primarily video content in 5 years, you haven't been watching net neutrality and the laws ISPs and media producers are trying to get passed which severely limits user bandwidth.
Unless you're going to be paying to get rid of those laws yourself, Mark, you're just a witless fucking idiot without any real eye on the future.
Slashdot Mirror
Because it's exactly what clueless ACs deserve. No less.
"OK, so in your mind, the solution to sucky institutional games is to ban indie software"
Where the fuck did I say ban? I only mentioned requiring a testing phase to ensure shit like this doesn't happen.
Companies have hid behind the "This software comes with no warranty" bullshit for to long and are now using it as a rip-off measure.
Actually, I can see a simple bit of legalese solving the problem almost in its entirety (notwithstanding the bullshit DRM can cause.)
"Software, before release, must undergo a period of rigorous testing which utilizes at least 250,000 physical computers of varying configurations of hardware and other installed software, for a period of no less than 60 consecutive days. The tests must be performed by people outside of the company or entity releasing the software."
"I couldn't suppress a chuckle at the thought of a video game recall."
How about a recall of the system itself? Remember the Wii and Smash Bros Brawl, DVD problem?
"STOP BUYING STUFF ON RELEASE."
No, we need a law that forbids all this 'release broken shit for money, fix it later' syndrome.
"My contention has always been that the schemes you seem so proud of are not economically viable vs far more conventional"
Oh, let's fix that.
What would also take that same grass crop three weeks in land, you've done in one. So with a 3x faster turnaround time, you're 24x more productive in 1/8 acre.
No, the $0.50 is the market rate per kilogram. Actual cost of production? Far lower, about $0.05.
"I know farm chemicals can be expensive, but I can't imagine how much all that costs."
Dirt cheap. And they last years and years, compared to chemicals which require being bought and replenished much more often. That original building in the UK is still running the original ozone generators and UVC LEDs.
"One screw-up and you'll be looking at total losses. It's bad enough in greenhouses when it happens."
Exact same can be said of land crops. Pay attention to the rice failure in India that recently occurred.
"On a Mars Colony that tech would be absolutely invaluable. Here on Earth it's an economic dead end"
Which is why Toshiba has jumped into the game? Which is why Philips is in it? Which is why I've got companies and people from all over the globe contracting my services in design and specification?
Looks like there's plenty of money there to me. In case you didn't know, food is always in demand, especially on the production side. Food production simply can not be en economic dead end. It is in fact an economic STAPLE.
They released a half-finished game and KNEW it was half-finished. They'd hoped to ride on the sales and issue a patch later. They accomplished this with the review embargo, and they KNEW that was the purpose of the embargo - to allow them to get those initial sales out before the shit hit the fan.
There should be a lawsuit on this fairly soon, I'd imagine.
That's okay, their grasp of English is poor enough that it's not a concern!
Oh, let's keep on going, here - http://www.fut-science.com/far...
Using the same technology I am using.
You think I made a mistake - I think you're poorly-educated on this subject and should stop now.
"Were those installs hydroponics or vertical farms?"
Vertically stacked NFT *IS* hydroponics.
"What crops?"
Lettuce, fodder grasses, tomatoes, peppers, typical crops.
"What size instillation?"
1/8 acre building.
"What is their yield?"
Depends on the crop. On average we yield 1 acre worth in 1/8 of an acre growing fodder grasses for livestock.
" What is the cost per bushel?"
Depends on the crop, oh and the rest of the world doesn't go by bushel, they tend to go by the kilogram. Let's take fodder grass, since I'm already on that crop. Roughly $0.50 USD per kilogram. The grass is also grown using a special zero-light technology which the BBC has covered.
"What sort of pest control regimen do you use?"
Most of the buildings are sealed with clean room entrances (the original building in the UK does not have a clean room entrance as it was a prototype/POC building.) Pest control is never an issue. Fungal/mold control is, and we use UV-C LED lighting to treat that, along with ozone generators.
"You'll know those numbers or ones close to it if you are who you say you are, which I don't believe you are."
Meanwhile, in the real world, I keep on designing and testing while you sit around in disbelief and ignorance.
You're the one that hung yourself here.
Code injection is a CFAA violation. Especially since it bypasses security measures put in place (pop-up and ad blockers.)
You should be filing criminal charges.
" but they don't work in the real world."
Yup, sure doesn't look like it works.
Yup, not working at all, which is why the BBC is there, to do a report on how it doesn't work in the real world.
"If your alternatives really were cost effective alternatives, where are the large scale operations producing food and selling it for less than the "chemical-intensive agriculture"?"
Already being used around the world, from Korea to Japan to Morocco to Dubai to Australia to right here in the USA. I just finished building a couple out in Tyler, Texas earlier this year.
And they are cost effective. What takes a full acre can be done in 1/8 acre with said technology. You almost entirely eliminate the need for fuel-burning harvesting machines, which kills fuel/energy costs and maintenance costs on harvesting equipment. You utilize much less water and nutrients to grow an equal crop, so you save more money there, and you help save the environment some as you can control your waste, unlike with traditional chemical+soil agriculture. Newer systems are so efficient energy-wise that they can be entirely solar-powered, and still have a little left over to feed into the grid, so you can get paid for producing power.
Uhhh, what was your inane argument, again?
You must be like 14-16 years old to not know of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, child.
You have the time to post using Slashdot's new laggy as fuck and sometimes browser-lagging system, but not the time to RTFA?
Bullshit, son.
Go RTFA first, then try asking questions.
I would mod you up so much if I hadn't already posted.
It is about time bullshit journalism and marketing got castrated.
" And Big Ag doesn't just feed hippies, it feeds the world, and there currently isn't any good substitute for it."
Bullshit. We have plenty of alternatives to chemical-intensive agriculture. From vertical farming methods to advanced hydroponics methods that can reduce water AND nutrient requirements by 95% and 60% respectively.
~former research director for international horticultural company
The money we get from security stocks and such in the energy futures market. Oh plus we actually have a worthwhile power grid. Ditto water system, while most of SoCal is burning, we're still sitting on a huge reservoir and we make more money off of that.
We just got a new park and community garden opened up out here, through the funds raised from that plus the checks we get back every year (which is actually a sizable amount, almost 1/3 my yearly power bill.) You're not going to see that coming from a private utility company.
"If you want to see some of the most corrupt businesses alive today, look no further than utilities."
What utility are you talking about? I know that being a part of the Riverside Public Utilities grid, I in fact get a damned check BACK every year, because every resident on the grid is a shareholder.
My point is it shouldn't be that easy. In fact, who the fuck would make a loop device and use it for swap?
Yet, linux allows you to do so, and dies spectacularly.
Linux just isn't usable IMHO.
make a loop device
use it to mount a swap file
fill up your memory
hard lock the end
It's that easy to fuck a Linux system up.
"but a Mac with Adblock tends to be a bit harder to get infested than a Windows machine"
That's the original claim I'm responding to. Quit putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
The words I said are pretty goddamned simple to understand - Macs are as vulnerable as Windows machines. And if you think the Pwn-to-Own contest isn't worthwhile enough, then bear in mind that roughly half of all Apple computers cannot receive security updates due to how their security practices are implemented, which means there are TONS of vulnerable OSX machines out there as patches are provided only to the newest OS X and the one immediately preceding it, and the older machines may not run the newest versions, which means they're stuck.
Or how about direct talk from the guy that PWNED Apple computers in the 2008 and 2009 Pwn-to-Own - http://www.zdnet.com/blog/appl...
" So a citation for that claim would be nice."
Sure, and funny enough you're on the site that can provide you with them, since the exact thing I'm talking about has been ./ headline material several times for several years in a row.
And with a UID as low as yours, you should've seen them.
If you think FB is going to be primarily video content in 5 years, you haven't been watching net neutrality and the laws ISPs and media producers are trying to get passed which severely limits user bandwidth.
Unless you're going to be paying to get rid of those laws yourself, Mark, you're just a witless fucking idiot without any real eye on the future.
If you can't see how, then you do your username a great disservice (not like you haven't already done that with that misspelling.)
Hi you fucking "I just registered an account to spam on this very topic" shill.
Protip: Those of us that have been here a LONG while get to see your entire history and details for free.
You registered an account specifically to talk about this exact subject.
Go the fuck home, shill.