Until we have more than 3-4 people on some forum, where, conveniently, someone released a tool to disable this (which couldn't possibly be designed to steal your WoW account info!), then I call bullshit on the entire thing.
They released tools to get it alone out of the image and decypher it, so what the fuck else do you want?
No, I actually develop systems that grow crops with minimal light or zero light at all. I do this internationally. I was head-hunted specifically for this job.
You think I'm throwing around terms with reckless abandon. You might want to go to an actual engineering school.
Of course, I could always toss out my CA Electrical contractor license (480V+ four-phase certified) but that just gives insane people like you a means of tracking me.
I love how you skip the hydrogen solution. Oh, and your use of small words to a research director that deal with both electronics and horticulture is rather insulting, not to myself, but rather to you. It displays ignorance.
"with ultracapacitors that would be 17 tons BTW."
More like a ton or so, given we've got single walled nanotube ultracapacitors in research/development which show energy densities 2x the best lithium compound. The only issue, is voltage, but run it in series with some controls to prevent overvoltage every few caps and you're golden.
Let me guess, you rely upon wikipedia for your sources instead of talking to the real scientists which are currently working on that which wikipedia refuses to publish because 'original research.'
"Ooooh..wow! Forcing you to drive on a highway to get a licence!"
I see you know precisely jack shit about Memphis driving. Highway 385 isn't nicknamed 'African Autobahn' without reason. And it's ALWAYS under construction either there or on the 40 loop.
Route planning? That's what the written test is for.
Illegal? They won't fail you for failing to use a turn signal once, that's just points deducted and one mistake closer to failing.
1. Ban all commercial vendors. Force them to support their own shit.
2. Get real community UI/IDE development going, and make goddamned sure they can STAY committed to the project.
3. Ignore Microsoft and Apple. Start from scratch and THINK about what you want your future desktop to look like, as that is going to inevitably set the standard.
4. For the love of god tell nVidia and AMD to either step up with the drivers or go the hell away. Their driver crap is another thing fucking up the 'Linux Desktop.'
" take lame driving "test" where you drive a couple laps around the city square or a big empty parking lot, then parallel park"
Which shithole place does your licensing? Memphis, TN DMV forced us to demonstrate we could operate on both highway and local streets when I got my license almost ten years ago.
Easily done. Here, touch this piece of tape. I now have your fingerprint. A good 2D camera with magnification and a 2D/3D modeling program and a 3D printer and you could print your own fingerprint.
"from TFA: "to grow enough food for one person we need 50 square meters of agriculture to provide both food and oxygen life to support one human"
so. with LED's how many watts of electricity do we need to grow 1 square meter of plants for one hour?"
Sorry, space farming will be vertical. We're talking volume, not surface area. But if you insist on just focusing on one level, roughly 36Wh and that's more like a 4.5x4.5ft dimension, utilizing current LED tech with a new light moving system. If you wanted to do static LED setups, you would need roughly 4x that amount of power to get equivalent results.
"on earth. *on earth*. not on the moon with 2 week long nights."
In the UK, where light very rarely ever shines full, and overall, most areas on the moon would have higher yearly solar insolation, even with two week long nights! There's no atmosphere to contend with, and the moon is closer to the sun roughly half of the year, which means more sunlight and more power.
Or, you know, plenty of hydrogen on the moon. Lots of fuel there given that has some of the highest energy density known, so hydrogen fuel cells would work as well, and you can use solar power to obtain hydrogen from the moon. Or lithium, some chemistries reaching 200 watt hours per kilogram.
"they're called mushroom farms"
We certainly were NOT growing mushrooms.
""ULTRACAPACITORS" have a crappy energy density vs regular batteries."
Maybe so but the power factor is MUCH better, 10 to 100 times better. And as we start working with new nanotech, you can guarantee that those energy density gaps will close. It still doesn't matter, we've got the power tech available, here and now.
Yep, done oil platforms in the gulf coast, from Mississippi (Gulfport, specifically) HP (via Solectron Global in Memphis, when it was still around) still do plenty of organic chemistry (and thinking, probably foolishly, of getting into fluoride chemistry,) and father's retired now and living a comfy life in middle of nowhere, Texas, hasn't done the radar guidance thing since Gulf War #1.
The HPS was there for two reasons - IR, and green. Green has higher quantum yield over 4-500 umol. The red and blue are there to serve as main power for the plant.
"when you store power in a battery and then get it out again a few days later you lose about half of what you put in"
Utilizing which battery chemistry? Might want to rethink that statement, pal. Plenty of battery chemistries that charge efficiently and do not lose power. (Oh, like ULTRACAPACITORS.)
Also, it has plenty to do with DC, since your solution above would propose converting from DC to AC, then back to DC again for lighting like LED.
LED is all you need, we have the rest of the tech and there are places on the moon where sunlight pretty much NEVER STOPS, and we have efficient transmission technologies to utilize it.
"Farming may be practical with some other energy source like an RTG but trying to use batteries to store enough power from solar for both farming and *everthing else the astronaughts need for 2 weeks* is pretty braindead."
Yet my research facility operates on solar and batteries just fine, and that includes full atmospheric controls, lighting, nutrient controls, mechanical systems, and more.
"I hope to god you're just making up your claimed job because if someone like you conned their way in there's no hope for wherever you're working."
Yet we just had a BBC special regarding our technology that grows plants utilizing ZERO LIGHT.
And the BBC doesn't deal with garbage.
*salutes* Try again when you've caught up on the required knowledge. You're missing about half a century.
I hold many jobs, that's the key to making money. What's wrong, not enough time in your life to effectively handle and manage more than three jobs at once?
Phosphors are fairly inefficient. Much easier to just build a tight array of diodes with all your desired wavelengths, since their native output is better than converting via phosphor. In fact, most white diodes already start with a UV or near-UV base (those phosphors won't work otherwise.)
Well, we do need the UV and IR, sure you can get away with just visible-range but you won't get as robust a crop.
However, yes, his figures and thinking are both way off. So many of our crops will stick around in as much as 50 umol lighting, however there are disadvantages to this low light level, such as crop bolt/stretch, fruiting crops will HATE this and likely stop producing whatever they have in order to conserve energy, if not outright kill themselves trying to produce the fruit as fast as possible to reproduce. Keep it around 150 for non-fruiting crops, and around 500 for fruiting crops. Doesn't take much power.
I couldn't give you numbers but I can tell you that given how a fair bit of vegetative food/herb crops don't require much in the way of light (300-500umol) we don't have to worry much about power if we utilize LED. Also, newer systems currently in design are specifically made to grow the same area with (in my current tests) with half of what typical LED lighting would need.
On top of that, many have proposed excellent power sources. RTG are one idea, and we can use the lunar sub-surface as a heat sink. Nuclear batteries are another possibility. Lithium packs that are rechargeable are also viable (someone mentioned a Tesla pack somewhere in the thread.) Hell, just turn Eternity peak into a solar farm and HVDC the power to the site.
We're already well past farming in space. We have the diode efficiencies, we have the power technology, we have the knowledge, and we have willing people. It's the getting resources to the site problem, and our government that's holding us back.
I'd gladly spend my entire remaining life on the moon being a space farmer. Give me what I need, and watch me get to work. Hell, the actual building and equipment should be CHEAP compared to the cost of getting it and myself and a capable crew there.
Most of the challenges have been dealt with, as discusses by others in this thread (power generation, storage methods, etc.)
Our biggest challenge will be water, oxygen and carbon dioxide. Other essentials for plants is done. We've got capillary sheet growing medium, so a tiny trickle of nutrient solution is easily distributed to plants. We've got low-profile low-material growing trays and channels, everything we need.
That and we need people with balls, and a better administration that is more space-focused.
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Until we have more than 3-4 people on some forum, where, conveniently, someone released a tool to disable this (which couldn't possibly be designed to steal your WoW account info!), then I call bullshit on the entire thing.
They released tools to get it alone out of the image and decypher it, so what the fuck else do you want?
I got you beat. I never touched WoW at all. I did EverQuest for about two months and got bored of it. Too easy.
No challenge (and I mean a real challenge, not once you can solve with an army of friends and brute force) means no go for me.
No, I actually develop systems that grow crops with minimal light or zero light at all. I do this internationally. I was head-hunted specifically for this job.
You think I'm throwing around terms with reckless abandon. You might want to go to an actual engineering school.
Of course, I could always toss out my CA Electrical contractor license (480V+ four-phase certified) but that just gives insane people like you a means of tracking me.
Yes, my smartphone controls food production facilities and gives me updates on nutrient concentration, pH levels, O2/CO2 balance, etc.
I love how you skip the hydrogen solution. Oh, and your use of small words to a research director that deal with both electronics and horticulture is rather insulting, not to myself, but rather to you. It displays ignorance.
"with ultracapacitors that would be 17 tons BTW."
More like a ton or so, given we've got single walled nanotube ultracapacitors in research/development which show energy densities 2x the best lithium compound. The only issue, is voltage, but run it in series with some controls to prevent overvoltage every few caps and you're golden.
Let me guess, you rely upon wikipedia for your sources instead of talking to the real scientists which are currently working on that which wikipedia refuses to publish because 'original research.'
"Ooooh..wow! Forcing you to drive on a highway to get a licence!"
I see you know precisely jack shit about Memphis driving. Highway 385 isn't nicknamed 'African Autobahn' without reason. And it's ALWAYS under construction either there or on the 40 loop.
Route planning? That's what the written test is for.
Illegal? They won't fail you for failing to use a turn signal once, that's just points deducted and one mistake closer to failing.
Why isn't this little story of yours made public? This would be a perfect opportunity to blackeye FB and the DMCA.
1. Ban all commercial vendors. Force them to support their own shit.
2. Get real community UI/IDE development going, and make goddamned sure they can STAY committed to the project.
3. Ignore Microsoft and Apple. Start from scratch and THINK about what you want your future desktop to look like, as that is going to inevitably set the standard.
4. For the love of god tell nVidia and AMD to either step up with the drivers or go the hell away. Their driver crap is another thing fucking up the 'Linux Desktop.'
"To give you an idea of the design limitations of my truck, the speedometer only goes up to 100."
That's nonsense. My Odo only shows 110 but I've been pulled over doing 130+
Bet unloaded your truck would top out and then some.
" take lame driving "test" where you drive a couple laps around the city square or a big empty parking lot, then parallel park"
Which shithole place does your licensing? Memphis, TN DMV forced us to demonstrate we could operate on both highway and local streets when I got my license almost ten years ago.
Easily done. Here, touch this piece of tape. I now have your fingerprint. A good 2D camera with magnification and a 2D/3D modeling program and a 3D printer and you could print your own fingerprint.
"from TFA: "to grow enough food for one person we need 50 square meters of agriculture to provide both food and oxygen life to support one human"
so. with LED's how many watts of electricity do we need to grow 1 square meter of plants for one hour?"
Sorry, space farming will be vertical. We're talking volume, not surface area. But if you insist on just focusing on one level, roughly 36Wh and that's more like a 4.5x4.5ft dimension, utilizing current LED tech with a new light moving system. If you wanted to do static LED setups, you would need roughly 4x that amount of power to get equivalent results.
"on earth. *on earth*. not on the moon with 2 week long nights."
In the UK, where light very rarely ever shines full, and overall, most areas on the moon would have higher yearly solar insolation, even with two week long nights! There's no atmosphere to contend with, and the moon is closer to the sun roughly half of the year, which means more sunlight and more power.
Or, you know, plenty of hydrogen on the moon. Lots of fuel there given that has some of the highest energy density known, so hydrogen fuel cells would work as well, and you can use solar power to obtain hydrogen from the moon. Or lithium, some chemistries reaching 200 watt hours per kilogram.
"they're called mushroom farms"
We certainly were NOT growing mushrooms.
""ULTRACAPACITORS" have a crappy energy density vs regular batteries."
Maybe so but the power factor is MUCH better, 10 to 100 times better. And as we start working with new nanotech, you can guarantee that those energy density gaps will close. It still doesn't matter, we've got the power tech available, here and now.
Yep, done oil platforms in the gulf coast, from Mississippi (Gulfport, specifically) HP (via Solectron Global in Memphis, when it was still around) still do plenty of organic chemistry (and thinking, probably foolishly, of getting into fluoride chemistry,) and father's retired now and living a comfy life in middle of nowhere, Texas, hasn't done the radar guidance thing since Gulf War #1.
"being a scientist doing physics,"
Guess what you deal with when you deal with photons? PHYSICS!
"You forgot about being in the army and being in the defense industry later,"
National Defense involves a strong agricultural sector.
Works just about the same. Tried those a long time ago when I was first doing LED.
The HPS was there for two reasons - IR, and green. Green has higher quantum yield over 4-500 umol. The red and blue are there to serve as main power for the plant.
Done raw - http://i.imgur.com/XGYDS.jpg - they still work just fine.
I do retail porn, interior lighting, horticultural lighting, computer repair, construction, and hydroponics systems design/building.
It is lucrative. Tiring, but lucrative.
"when you store power in a battery and then get it out again a few days later you lose about half of what you put in"
Utilizing which battery chemistry? Might want to rethink that statement, pal. Plenty of battery chemistries that charge efficiently and do not lose power. (Oh, like ULTRACAPACITORS.)
Also, it has plenty to do with DC, since your solution above would propose converting from DC to AC, then back to DC again for lighting like LED.
LED is all you need, we have the rest of the tech and there are places on the moon where sunlight pretty much NEVER STOPS, and we have efficient transmission technologies to utilize it.
"Farming may be practical with some other energy source like an RTG but trying to use batteries to store enough power from solar for both farming and *everthing else the astronaughts need for 2 weeks* is pretty braindead."
Yet my research facility operates on solar and batteries just fine, and that includes full atmospheric controls, lighting, nutrient controls, mechanical systems, and more.
"I hope to god you're just making up your claimed job because if someone like you conned their way in there's no hope for wherever you're working."
Yet we just had a BBC special regarding our technology that grows plants utilizing ZERO LIGHT.
And the BBC doesn't deal with garbage.
*salutes* Try again when you've caught up on the required knowledge. You're missing about half a century.
I hold many jobs, that's the key to making money. What's wrong, not enough time in your life to effectively handle and manage more than three jobs at once?
Phosphors are fairly inefficient. Much easier to just build a tight array of diodes with all your desired wavelengths, since their native output is better than converting via phosphor. In fact, most white diodes already start with a UV or near-UV base (those phosphors won't work otherwise.)
I even gave it a nickname: Project Sauna.
Let's see how close my call mimics reality.
Well, we do need the UV and IR, sure you can get away with just visible-range but you won't get as robust a crop.
However, yes, his figures and thinking are both way off. So many of our crops will stick around in as much as 50 umol lighting, however there are disadvantages to this low light level, such as crop bolt/stretch, fruiting crops will HATE this and likely stop producing whatever they have in order to conserve energy, if not outright kill themselves trying to produce the fruit as fast as possible to reproduce. Keep it around 150 for non-fruiting crops, and around 500 for fruiting crops. Doesn't take much power.
I couldn't give you numbers but I can tell you that given how a fair bit of vegetative food/herb crops don't require much in the way of light (300-500umol) we don't have to worry much about power if we utilize LED. Also, newer systems currently in design are specifically made to grow the same area with (in my current tests) with half of what typical LED lighting would need.
On top of that, many have proposed excellent power sources. RTG are one idea, and we can use the lunar sub-surface as a heat sink. Nuclear batteries are another possibility. Lithium packs that are rechargeable are also viable (someone mentioned a Tesla pack somewhere in the thread.) Hell, just turn Eternity peak into a solar farm and HVDC the power to the site.
We're already well past farming in space. We have the diode efficiencies, we have the power technology, we have the knowledge, and we have willing people. It's the getting resources to the site problem, and our government that's holding us back.
I'd gladly spend my entire remaining life on the moon being a space farmer. Give me what I need, and watch me get to work. Hell, the actual building and equipment should be CHEAP compared to the cost of getting it and myself and a capable crew there.
Most of the challenges have been dealt with, as discusses by others in this thread (power generation, storage methods, etc.)
Our biggest challenge will be water, oxygen and carbon dioxide. Other essentials for plants is done. We've got capillary sheet growing medium, so a tiny trickle of nutrient solution is easily distributed to plants. We've got low-profile low-material growing trays and channels, everything we need.
That and we need people with balls, and a better administration that is more space-focused.
Eternity Peak is pretty much 24/7 sunlight. Power station up there, send to colony over HVDC.