I used to work in AI Alley in Cambridge during the 80s. The industry got hyped to death by claims and demands on performance that wasn't possible. Lots of interesting things were done and lost during that timeframe. The thing is, we hadn't even reached artificial stupidity at that point. I'm not sure we have yet but we're closer in some domains. Until people unlink visions of Cherry 2000 and C3PO from the AI moniker, it's going to be tough getting people to set realistic goals. Just like the Lisp environment back then, I see the research and technology backdooring into products every day. More and more of the stuff that we did back then is making it out as "new technology" under Microsoft when we had it 20 year ago, but hyped it into obscurity. The industry seems to be coming out of it's own dark ages lately and I hope the media doesn't get back on the bandwagon to beat it back down. I thought the article was very good and you did a LOT of good research and didn't just edit together all the buzzwords you found. The response has been good in the community I still keep in touch with and you better watch out or you'll be changing people's minds about talking to journalists. Many of us wish you had been given more access to Cyc and their underlying knowledge engineering techniques to do that topic/aspect justice as well.
The 20mph was at much lower levels while taking off. At the maximum levels it was flying much faster in order to have enough air moving over the wings to produce lift (you need lift enough to offset the weight) The peak speed listed is 170mph for this flight. It couldn't do that at sealevel, even in a straight dive due to the drag.
Hell, I have a full Symbolics 3640 upstairs (former employee) as well as a DEC Rainbow and a few TI 99/4As and a bunch of other stuff. I would have loved seeing all this stuff. There's a guiy somewhere local that's trying to put a museum together for the stuff and my wife keeps threatening to send all my "clutter" to him.
18 comments in and somebody caught that. Bugs the hell out of me when I see that in a chip review. Maybe someone will invent a 3ghz chip next week that uses 4 t states for every internal cycle (read 750mhz). I'll bet the press would hype it up and the investors would pour in the money, and we'd all be rich before we had to get it out of the fab... hold that thought
In Massachusetts we use a version of the EZ-Pass system called FastLane. You pass through the sensors on entry and then again at the normal tollbooths and it debits your account. Both transactions have a timestamp and the distance between them is fixed so, doing the math means they can get an average speed on your trip. I've been wondering when they'll catch on to my commute being shorter than expected.
The impact will go well. It's far easier to impact than to orbit and/or land. If the impact vehicle goes into "safe" mode at the wrong time, it'll just make a shallower pit. The more interesting question is how the observatory part of the mission is going to slow down to orbit the comet for observations ahead of the balls to the wall impact vehicle...
Don't you wonder why they don't make the packaging and holddown clamps out of something that can be stored and made into something useful after the contents are deployed. Does all this extra mass at $10k/pound to orbit really have to go into a Progress and jettisoned?
I just keep remembering the Star Trek episode with the retinal image game plugged into the pleasure centers of the brain. Of course that required Wesley Crusher to solve, so we'd all be DOOMed!
Back in 1985 when I was in Cambridge at a little company named Symbolics (the first registered.com domain for you trivia buffs) we got our network connectivity over an IR link from MIT. This is probably very similar to what they'll be doing with the laser links. Our biggest problem? Window washers! Typically for an hour a month the rope/washers would block the beam and we'd be down. Took a few months to figure it out.
Just because my intelligence is artificial, doesn't mean my problems aren't real.
Mark has been doing this for quite a while. He was showing them off on a college tour in 1994 when we saw him at MIT. If your cable system carries it, there's been a special running on Discovery Science that includes this stuff that's worth the watch
Well, as has been said before, that's the real world and what you get out of it is up to you. You could be bitter and get nothing or you could be active in the group socializing (like lunchtime conversations) and gain knowledge and experience from that. I've been in the CS field for 20+ years and done almost all of it, including VP of devo. I have hired PhD in CS students that have had to go through the same thing you're saying. What can you expect from someone that's been in academia for 6-8 years and the biggest project they've worked on is under 1000 lines and probably in one source file? I'm dealing with projects that are 1 million lines or more, including legacy code that nobody on the current team fully understands that spans departments and in some cases, companies. You need to learn to deal with 6 months to get changes/features out to the field. The real world isn't edit, compile, debug, repeat, distribute. Being low man on the totempole means doing the stuff everyone else doesn't want to do. Getting some experience and letting people (informally at lunch if you don't have another method) know that you can do other things is important. Many of the kids we've had come in have done their time but then noticed something we're not doing and been given a chance to prototype something and show their stuff. It won't be earthshattering but it might be something we missed or dismissed due to not having the resources to do it. Keep in mind the expectation levels for co-ops and even fresh outs is initially low, until proven otherwise.
And what is it that makes your idealistic views believe boring, repetitive tasks aren't the real world? Stop into your local research facility and ask how many of the guys cleaning test tubes have Masters degrees.
Performance in front of one's peers. An arcade is a public forum for kids to show off. The economics issues are real and the cost per square foot along with the cost of machines is a real issue.
The reporting on all this has been that they miscalculated the date that they would deorbit it. Well the truth of the matter is, it was requested that they reschedule it due to the upcoming Shuttle launch that would take most of the tracking resources in the early March timeframe.
Actually, you wouldn't. The paint would cover it but the raw, stripped part would look different than original. The inside of your hood would be a different matter 8^)
People need to read that little phrase. The idea is to clean up the emissions from the stacks, not to remove it from the high atmosphere. They make the point that it can survive in the high temp conditions of the stack. This is just another bubble through style filter for cleaning up unnatural emissions. The carbon can be precipitated and the oxygen released.
Now if they could get the carbon to come out as diamond, they'd have people interested in cleaning up the environment!
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I used to work in AI Alley in Cambridge during the 80s. The industry got hyped to death by claims and demands on performance that wasn't possible. Lots of interesting things were done and lost during that timeframe. The thing is, we hadn't even reached artificial stupidity at that point. I'm not sure we have yet but we're closer in some domains. Until people unlink visions of Cherry 2000 and C3PO from the AI moniker, it's going to be tough getting people to set realistic goals. Just like the Lisp environment back then, I see the research and technology backdooring into products every day. More and more of the stuff that we did back then is making it out as "new technology" under Microsoft when we had it 20 year ago, but hyped it into obscurity. The industry seems to be coming out of it's own dark ages lately and I hope the media doesn't get back on the bandwagon to beat it back down. I thought the article was very good and you did a LOT of good research and didn't just edit together all the buzzwords you found. The response has been good in the community I still keep in touch with and you better watch out or you'll be changing people's minds about talking to journalists. Many of us wish you had been given more access to Cyc and their underlying knowledge engineering techniques to do that topic/aspect justice as well.
Good Job!
The 20mph was at much lower levels while taking off. At the maximum levels it was flying much faster in order to have enough air moving over the wings to produce lift (you need lift enough to offset the weight) The peak speed listed is 170mph for this flight. It couldn't do that at sealevel, even in a straight dive due to the drag.
Somebody got the reference
Hell, I have a full Symbolics 3640 upstairs (former employee) as well as a DEC Rainbow and a few TI 99/4As and a bunch of other stuff. I would have loved seeing all this stuff. There's a guiy somewhere local that's trying to put a museum together for the stuff and my wife keeps threatening to send all my "clutter" to him.
How did Wired get the story the following day and yet all of us locals that obviously keep up with the industry totally missed it?
Did they get the execution speed up by going with Texas Instruments?
18 comments in and somebody caught that. Bugs the hell out of me when I see that in a chip review. Maybe someone will invent a 3ghz chip next week that uses 4 t states for every internal cycle (read 750mhz). I'll bet the press would hype it up and the investors would pour in the money, and we'd all be rich before we had to get it out of the fab... hold that thought
In Massachusetts we use a version of the EZ-Pass system called FastLane. You pass through the sensors on entry and then again at the normal tollbooths and it debits your account. Both transactions have a timestamp and the distance between them is fixed so, doing the math means they can get an average speed on your trip. I've been wondering when they'll catch on to my commute being shorter than expected.
The impact will go well. It's far easier to impact than to orbit and/or land. If the impact vehicle goes into "safe" mode at the wrong time, it'll just make a shallower pit. The more interesting question is how the observatory part of the mission is going to slow down to orbit the comet for observations ahead of the balls to the wall impact vehicle...
Don't you wonder why they don't make the packaging and holddown clamps out of something that can be stored and made into something useful after the contents are deployed. Does all this extra mass at $10k/pound to orbit really have to go into a Progress and jettisoned?
I just keep remembering the Star Trek episode with the retinal image game plugged into the pleasure centers of the brain. Of course that required Wesley Crusher to solve, so we'd all be DOOMed!
There's also this article on CN today about another vendor
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/27/ter
Infrared, not microwave. We gave them that warm fuzzy feeling
Back in 1985 when I was in Cambridge at a little company named Symbolics (the first registered .com domain for you trivia buffs) we got our network connectivity over an IR link from MIT. This is probably very similar to what they'll be doing with the laser links. Our biggest problem? Window washers! Typically for an hour a month the rope/washers would block the beam and we'd be down. Took a few months to figure it out.
Just because my intelligence is artificial, doesn't mean my problems aren't real.
He gave a great presentation over at the AI lab and has a quick wit and isn't shy to use it. It was a very fluid and interactive presentation.
Mark has been doing this for quite a while. He was showing them off on a college tour in 1994 when we saw him at MIT. If your cable system carries it, there's been a special running on Discovery Science that includes this stuff that's worth the watch
Well, as has been said before, that's the real world and what you get out of it is up to you. You could be bitter and get nothing or you could be active in the group socializing (like lunchtime conversations) and gain knowledge and experience from that. I've been in the CS field for 20+ years and done almost all of it, including VP of devo. I have hired PhD in CS students that have had to go through the same thing you're saying. What can you expect from someone that's been in academia for 6-8 years and the biggest project they've worked on is under 1000 lines and probably in one source file? I'm dealing with projects that are 1 million lines or more, including legacy code that nobody on the current team fully understands that spans departments and in some cases, companies. You need to learn to deal with 6 months to get changes/features out to the field. The real world isn't edit, compile, debug, repeat, distribute. Being low man on the totempole means doing the stuff everyone else doesn't want to do. Getting some experience and letting people (informally at lunch if you don't have another method) know that you can do other things is important. Many of the kids we've had come in have done their time but then noticed something we're not doing and been given a chance to prototype something and show their stuff. It won't be earthshattering but it might be something we missed or dismissed due to not having the resources to do it. Keep in mind the expectation levels for co-ops and even fresh outs is initially low, until proven otherwise.
...that your last interaction with adults didn't include "You want fries with that?"
And what is it that makes your idealistic views believe boring, repetitive tasks aren't the real world? Stop into your local research facility and ask how many of the guys cleaning test tubes have Masters degrees.
Yeah, but it's the RIGHT girls you DO end up meeting 8^)
Performance in front of one's peers. An arcade is a public forum for kids to show off. The economics issues are real and the cost per square foot along with the cost of machines is a real issue.
The reporting on all this has been that they miscalculated the date that they would deorbit it. Well the truth of the matter is, it was requested that they reschedule it due to the upcoming Shuttle launch that would take most of the tracking resources in the early March timeframe.
Actually, you wouldn't. The paint would cover it but the raw, stripped part would look different than original. The inside of your hood would be a different matter 8^)
People need to read that little phrase. The idea is to clean up the emissions from the stacks, not to remove it from the high atmosphere. They make the point that it can survive in the high temp conditions of the stack. This is just another bubble through style filter for cleaning up unnatural emissions. The carbon can be precipitated and the oxygen released.
Now if they could get the carbon to come out as diamond, they'd have people interested in cleaning up the environment!
Right. That's what I proposed in this thread.