You had a dirty cop in your town, so cops can't be trusted at all?
In Omaha, where I live, they police their own. They busted out a dirty cop who was also racist once they found out he was in the KKK by investigating him heavily. Any time a cop shoots a suspect, they are suspended with pay pending investigation, and around these parts that is usually a good 6 months or more. The investigation is fairly transparent and covered heavily in the news.
Regardless, one anecdote about a dirty cop has little relevance on whether or not Google is evil in this instance. Google initially resisted handing over any data, and eventually conceeded to a judge's orders. Last time I checked, that was their company policy. They've stated they wont hand over any private data unless they are ordered to do so by a judge.
SUN sells StarOffice, using code that others made under the GPL. I believe IBM also in turn will sell Symphony, which in turn borrows upon that same GPL code-base of OpenOffice.
People do it all the time. Again, you can buy a Linux distro, even though it is someone else's GPL code.
You insist it can't be done, except it happens every day.
Every internet company that does business in China abides by China's laws. Google was the only one to publicly struggle with the concept, and fight it for a while. So that makes them the bad guys.
Yahoo is the company that VOLUNTEERED data to hand over journalists who wrote about democracy.
I seriously wonder if he'd be the type of person to eat a baby if he thought it would give him a competetive edge. Perhaps he'd eat four babies just to be sure.
Then again, many Yahoo sites are designed to work in all browsers, and you won't see much ActiveX or ASP.
That's part of why I thought it never made sense for Microsoft to buy them. Would Microsoft allow Microsoft owned web-services running on Apache, and coded in PHP? Would Microsoft demand that Yahoo re-write all their web services? Would they attempt to force the Yahoo user-base into Microsoft web services, and in turn just lose those users that they spent over $40 billion to acquire?
No. 56,000 allegations have been filed about 200 people in a select group of communities. Are you suggesting no one should investigate 56,000 allegations?
Bush has protesters all the time, and they aren't arrested. This seems to be an isolated case of an idiot making a ridiculous arrest, and there are (as the link points out) repercussions for such an act.
I'll probably get modded down for this, but as much good as RMS has done, he is a bit of a kook. And he doesn't believe software constitutes a product, I'm sorry, but he is mistaken.
He also said he would never willingly sign any software license of any kind, and believed them all to be evil, while now pushing an increasingly restrictive license himself.
And he has said on record numerous times that all software should be free as beer as well as free as speech in recent years, though I've heard he sometimes rescinds those statements in the light of companies like IBM, HP, Google, etc.
From what I understand, he also espouses a minimalist, non-material lifestyle, but most programmers need to make a living.
Only when people gather in large numbers, and only when it is necessary for safety. You can stand on any corner in this country and blast the President 99.9% of the time. When you get thousands of protesters being disruptive to other people, then measures are taken. When we first went to war, there was an organized protest of like 100,000 people in New York. People were laying in the street blocking traffic, etc. People attacked others, etc.
Free speech doesn't give you the right to break the law. Harassing people as they walk down the street, inciting riots, blocking traffic, etc. These are laws being broken.
What people fail to realize is that when you harass and annoy people, you aren't winning people over to your side. Neutral parties are more likely to suddenly disagree with you if you have a disruptive protest. It is the same thing with the pro-life protesters who carry huge pictures of aborted babies. All you're doing is disgusting and annoying people.
Not really. The Constitution touches on this. You can't be forced to self-incriminate, thusly you have a semblance of privacy. However, you can be searched with probable cause.
That's funny, because I've seen people protest right outside the White House, and right outside Congress all the time. They're never fenced in or any such nonsense. My wife (not out of protest, but just for fun) took a picture holding up a Canadian flag in front of the White House.
Next time, try again, but without the lies so much.
I'm confused. If users in Brazil were the ones running a pedophilia community, and the Brazil government is going after people in Brazil, would they have any legal grounds to issue a subpoena in the US?
And where in the Constitution does it say you have a clear right of privacy? Hint, hint, it doesn't. It merely says you can't be forced to self-incriminate.
Did Rosen and Weissman hand over classified documents of national security? The trial isn't over and I don't presume to know the facts of the case, but that seems to be a whole different situation that merely criticizing the administration.
Kexec allows you to boot another kernel from your kernel without a reboot. I think ksplice allows you to just put in a patch to your existing kernel, however, I almost have to assume they use a kexec-like implementation.
You can take my GPL program, improve it, fork it, and make money off it. What do you think Red Hat is doing? Do you think they wrote every line of code in the Linux distro they sell support contracts for?
You can make money off my GPL code, but you can't take my code and include it in a closed-source project.
RMS has at times suggested that all software should be free in price as well, but I think most open-source and GPL advocates don't have a problem with commercial software.
In fact, many major GPL projects have business models.
Bad analogy. The allegations were in relation to specific communities.
And the 56,000 allegations were linked to 200 people. Investigating 200 people over 56,000 allegations is very different from saying investigating millions of people because there might be a few spam botnets in Florida.
And your examples are pretty silly and far-fetched. Someone looks at gay porn in a private folder. Well, Google is asked to hand over data on the pedophile communities. The only way those two would overlap is if someone joined a pedophile community to post non-pedophile pornography, and someone else hung around in said community long enough to discover it, ignoring all the pedophilia there.
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That sound more like a diplomatic request for cooperation with a US court than a warrant.
How is this relevant?
You had a dirty cop in your town, so cops can't be trusted at all?
In Omaha, where I live, they police their own. They busted out a dirty cop who was also racist once they found out he was in the KKK by investigating him heavily. Any time a cop shoots a suspect, they are suspended with pay pending investigation, and around these parts that is usually a good 6 months or more. The investigation is fairly transparent and covered heavily in the news.
Regardless, one anecdote about a dirty cop has little relevance on whether or not Google is evil in this instance. Google initially resisted handing over any data, and eventually conceeded to a judge's orders. Last time I checked, that was their company policy. They've stated they wont hand over any private data unless they are ordered to do so by a judge.
SUN sells StarOffice, using code that others made under the GPL. I believe IBM also in turn will sell Symphony, which in turn borrows upon that same GPL code-base of OpenOffice.
People do it all the time. Again, you can buy a Linux distro, even though it is someone else's GPL code.
You insist it can't be done, except it happens every day.
Every internet company that does business in China abides by China's laws. Google was the only one to publicly struggle with the concept, and fight it for a while. So that makes them the bad guys.
Yahoo is the company that VOLUNTEERED data to hand over journalists who wrote about democracy.
Their new web mail system. Mind you Google kicked them into high-gear, but you can drag and drop messages into folders and other nifty-ness like that.
Balmer terrifies me.
I seriously wonder if he'd be the type of person to eat a baby if he thought it would give him a competetive edge. Perhaps he'd eat four babies just to be sure.
Then again, many Yahoo sites are designed to work in all browsers, and you won't see much ActiveX or ASP.
That's part of why I thought it never made sense for Microsoft to buy them. Would Microsoft allow Microsoft owned web-services running on Apache, and coded in PHP? Would Microsoft demand that Yahoo re-write all their web services? Would they attempt to force the Yahoo user-base into Microsoft web services, and in turn just lose those users that they spent over $40 billion to acquire?
Was anyone arrested?
Was action taken because of one complaint?
No. 56,000 allegations have been filed about 200 people in a select group of communities. Are you suggesting no one should investigate 56,000 allegations?
That's inane.
Bush has protesters all the time, and they aren't arrested. This seems to be an isolated case of an idiot making a ridiculous arrest, and there are (as the link points out) repercussions for such an act.
How does a Brazillian court create a warrant for data on US servers?
They couldn't.
And Google isn't opening everyone's data. The story mentioned 200 people tied to 56,000 allegations.
Probable cause is pretty clearly defined in most places, and the judicial system keeps that in check.
I'll probably get modded down for this, but as much good as RMS has done, he is a bit of a kook. And he doesn't believe software constitutes a product, I'm sorry, but he is mistaken.
He also said he would never willingly sign any software license of any kind, and believed them all to be evil, while now pushing an increasingly restrictive license himself.
And he has said on record numerous times that all software should be free as beer as well as free as speech in recent years, though I've heard he sometimes rescinds those statements in the light of companies like IBM, HP, Google, etc.
From what I understand, he also espouses a minimalist, non-material lifestyle, but most programmers need to make a living.
Only when people gather in large numbers, and only when it is necessary for safety. You can stand on any corner in this country and blast the President 99.9% of the time. When you get thousands of protesters being disruptive to other people, then measures are taken. When we first went to war, there was an organized protest of like 100,000 people in New York. People were laying in the street blocking traffic, etc. People attacked others, etc.
Free speech doesn't give you the right to break the law. Harassing people as they walk down the street, inciting riots, blocking traffic, etc. These are laws being broken.
What people fail to realize is that when you harass and annoy people, you aren't winning people over to your side. Neutral parties are more likely to suddenly disagree with you if you have a disruptive protest. It is the same thing with the pro-life protesters who carry huge pictures of aborted babies. All you're doing is disgusting and annoying people.
Not really. The Constitution touches on this. You can't be forced to self-incriminate, thusly you have a semblance of privacy. However, you can be searched with probable cause.
That's funny, because I've seen people protest right outside the White House, and right outside Congress all the time. They're never fenced in or any such nonsense. My wife (not out of protest, but just for fun) took a picture holding up a Canadian flag in front of the White House.
Next time, try again, but without the lies so much.
If a US citizen spoke out against the US government during the McCarthy era, they were put on trial.
If a US citizen speaks out against the US government today, nothing happens.
If you don't see the distinction, I won't bother trying to beat you over the head with it.
I'm confused. If users in Brazil were the ones running a pedophilia community, and the Brazil government is going after people in Brazil, would they have any legal grounds to issue a subpoena in the US?
And where in the Constitution does it say you have a clear right of privacy? Hint, hint, it doesn't. It merely says you can't be forced to self-incriminate.
Wow. That was news to me.
Did Rosen and Weissman hand over classified documents of national security? The trial isn't over and I don't presume to know the facts of the case, but that seems to be a whole different situation that merely criticizing the administration.
I don't see proof that the US government acted against him in any coordinated manner, though individuals most certainly did.
If you have a critical system that needs to be up, you better have backup servers.
You fail-over to the backup, patch the first, fail-back, patch the second, etc.
Kexec allows you to boot another kernel from your kernel without a reboot. I think ksplice allows you to just put in a patch to your existing kernel, however, I almost have to assume they use a kexec-like implementation.
That's incorrect.
You can take my GPL program, improve it, fork it, and make money off it. What do you think Red Hat is doing? Do you think they wrote every line of code in the Linux distro they sell support contracts for?
You can make money off my GPL code, but you can't take my code and include it in a closed-source project.
RMS has at times suggested that all software should be free in price as well, but I think most open-source and GPL advocates don't have a problem with commercial software.
In fact, many major GPL projects have business models.
Bad analogy. The allegations were in relation to specific communities.
And the 56,000 allegations were linked to 200 people. Investigating 200 people over 56,000 allegations is very different from saying investigating millions of people because there might be a few spam botnets in Florida.
And your examples are pretty silly and far-fetched. Someone looks at gay porn in a private folder. Well, Google is asked to hand over data on the pedophile communities. The only way those two would overlap is if someone joined a pedophile community to post non-pedophile pornography, and someone else hung around in said community long enough to discover it, ignoring all the pedophilia there.