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Another thing what is bothering me about this new "RAD tool" is that it makes programmers lazy. IMHO your tools should be asflexible as possible, allowing you to do everything that can be done on computers. I just can't see how this can be done by clicking and dragging and typing small sets of code thereby linking objects.
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In Delphi (and I am assuming kylix) there isn't much you can't do. You don't have to use the RAD portion of the IDE if you don't want too. You can create your windows, buttons and other components yourself and position them yourself also. Kylix just attempts to simplify this for you. Kylix can do assembly also, so if you need to go that low level, you can.
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This new tool might be of interest to many people who have difficulties understanding the underlying principles of the graphical toolkit libraries, or just don't want to be bothered by it too much
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Although cases of the former definitely exist, the latter is more prevalent. I use notepad to develop java, and I hate (absolutely hate) it because doing a "javac *.java, java application" everytime I want to check to make sure a button is in the correct location slows me down 10 fold. If only JBuilder was faster and more like Delphi I would love it.
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As great as this tool might look, how much flexibility will this take away? It might be a pain to write your applications in VI, letting it compile by Kylix (typing:make goes much faster than saving your file, importing it and compiling it).
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As far as I know, there is no reason why you can't use make with kylix. The compiler can easily be used from the command line.
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Does it allow for all those lowlevel debugging gdb has?
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Delphi's debugger (and I am assuming kylix's also) is the best I have ever used and can go as low level as you want.
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Can I create GTK as well as QT applications with it?
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Hmmm.. good question. I know in future releases GTK is intended to be supported natively.
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Does the user need to download another set of large libraries to use my applications?
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First off, sorry for the harshness of the language of my first post, it frustrates the hell out of me when people jump to conclusions regarding anything, especially when the people being criticized are doing something (in my opinion) positive.
As far as winelib goes... I've been tracking the kylix discussions in newsgroups and whatnot havily for quite a while, and the impression that I have received is that the IDE is a native linux application using QT. The screen shots seem to back this up.
Here are some important points for everybody that is complaining:
1) They are releasing a free version for download or to buy ($99 for cd and manual by mail). This will be equivalent to what the JBuilder 4 free download is to the JBuilder 4 professional edition.
2) Kylix does not use Wine in any way shape or form. Period.
3) CLX is GPL'ed. A damn smart move.
4) C++ builder will follow in around 6 months. So to all those people who (for some reason are another) are anti-object pascal, this is still a damn good thing.
The only thing I am worried about is compatibility with gcc. Otherwise this is the best thing to happen to linux in a long long time.
Can anybody give me reasons why they won't use it? Do people have a prejudice against IDEs or RADs?
Borland is doing a good thing, and paying attention to what people in the linux community are asking for.
Your entirely correct that you coud probably do all that with around $100 bucks. But what about the interface? Imagine my techno-phobe artsy-fartsy friends attempting to use an ncurses front end to mpg123? When instead they can have something like http://www.audiotron.net/images/Audiotron.gif That (and the fact that I don't have to hack up an ugly beige molding 486 box so as to make it look respectable) is pretty much worth the 400 dollars to me. Just my $.20
---snip--- 2: No, i could also use this player for exchange in a pinch...which i see as an advantage. ---snip---
How so??? Remember the rio was made so as to not let people get music OFF of the player(of course that was cracked, but that's beside the point). I doubt, especially with this much storage space, that compaq is going to let you use this to take music off the player. If they do let you get music off of the palyer, I have a feeling that the RIAA is going to get on their back hardcore.
Or maybe you are thinking of outputing the sound to the audio in of a reciever, and then dubbing it from there??
Nothing worse than buble furniture in the hallway, an iMac in your sisters room, and ganking your fat parents excercise bikes cause you are too poor to buy chairs
Ok, I completely agree that microsoft should be punished for anti-competitive tactics. But I am questioning the $10 refund. I think that microsoft should give a complete 100% refund to people who buy a computer pre-loaded with windows and never use windows, I believe this because it is very hard to buy a computer without windows on it. Now.. on to my second point, why should microsoft be made to give a 10$ refund to people who actually USE the OS?? I can see very clearly why a refund should be given to people who don't use it, but if you buy the computer and use the OS then you should pay whatever the asking price is for the OS. Maybe I'm missing something??? I'd appreciate someone's opinion or point of view on this. Thanks
The whole stint about verifying data by hadn goes like this:
Web site containing sensitive information defaced (most sites do contain sensitive information, cc numbers, product orders, payroll blah blah..). Are you just going to accep the crackers word that nothing was altered??? I wouldn't I would rm -rf / and restore from read only backups, if I didn't have read only backups then I would have to go through all the "sensitive data" by hand and esnure that it wasn't altered in any way shape or form. If you have a huge database who knows how long this could take.
Yea, and you know 100% of the people out there are using a firewall??... right??
You seem to have missed the point that the majority of the people out there are just connected to the internet without a gateway or firewall, therefore every where they go which logs IP can be traced back to their machine.
--snip--- Look I am rather upset with this continued premise that "Redhat is Linux". It is not. I use Debian, it works well and is generally more secure then RedHat. ---snip----
So, in essence, your saying debian is linux. I don't understand your logic. They picked the most popular distribution. You can't make everybody happy. Would you have rather they built there own distro? Or maybe picked Jesux??
Check out http://www.logitech.com/us/trackballs/index.html The one in the middle (white with gigantic red ball in the middle and front). This trackball rocks! I can't say enough about it. It costs about 40 bucks (not too bad), is all optical so no moving gears to get clogged. And you can use it with both your right and left hand. The only bad thing is no 3rd button for X-windows. But for 100 times more comfort I'm willing to give it up.
I am anti-cencorship, but I don't consider moderation cencorship.
In the threads about Richard Stevens I stumbled upon this,
------snip------- I am imploring the AC or AC's who insist on posting their drivel to this page to desist. One of Stevens' sons loves to read Slashdot and is extremely distressed to see some of the posts that are being "written" here today. If you have a heart, just give it a rest. ----end snip-----
Now think about his son, and what he read, and say that moderation couldn't have saved him some pain.
thanks
-p.s. Slashdot isn't a government organization, Rob built this from the ground up, if he doesn't like the way somebody smells he should be able to delete that persons post without people complaining. If people don't like it, why don't they make a slashdot themselves?, thats what the internet is all about, if you don't like it, do it better, just stop complaining.
Slashdot Mirror
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:make goes much faster than saving your file, importing it and compiling it).
Another thing what is bothering me about this new "RAD tool" is that it makes programmers lazy. IMHO your tools should be asflexible as possible, allowing you to do everything that can be done on computers. I just can't see how this can be done by clicking and dragging and typing small sets of code thereby linking objects.
----
In Delphi (and I am assuming kylix) there isn't much you can't do. You don't have to use the RAD portion of the IDE if you don't want too. You can create your windows, buttons and other components yourself and position them yourself also. Kylix just attempts to simplify this for you. Kylix can do assembly also, so if you need to go that low level, you can.
----------------
This new tool might be of interest to many people who have difficulties understanding the underlying principles of the graphical toolkit libraries, or just don't want to be bothered by it too much
---------------
Although cases of the former definitely exist, the latter is more prevalent. I use notepad to develop java, and I hate (absolutely hate) it because doing a "javac *.java, java application" everytime I want to check to make sure a button is in the correct location slows me down 10 fold. If only JBuilder was faster and more like Delphi I would love it.
---------
As great as this tool might look, how much flexibility will this take away? It might be a pain to write your applications in VI, letting it compile by Kylix (typing
-----
As far as I know, there is no reason why you can't use make with kylix. The compiler can easily be used from the command line.
---------
Does it allow for all those lowlevel debugging gdb has?
-------
Delphi's debugger (and I am assuming kylix's also) is the best I have ever used and can go as low level as you want.
--------
Can I create GTK as well as QT applications with it?
----
Hmmm.. good question. I know in future releases GTK is intended to be supported natively.
------
Does the user need to download another set of large libraries to use my applications?
------
Nope, just have QT installed.
Hope that answered some of your questions
First off, sorry for the harshness of the language of my first post, it frustrates the hell out of me when people jump to conclusions regarding anything, especially when the people being criticized are doing something (in my opinion) positive.
As far as winelib goes... I've been tracking the kylix discussions in newsgroups and whatnot havily for quite a while, and the impression that I have received is that the IDE is a native linux application using QT. The screen shots seem to back this up.
cheers
Here are some important points for everybody that is complaining:
1) They are releasing a free version for download or to buy ($99 for cd and manual by mail). This will be equivalent to what the JBuilder 4 free download is to the JBuilder 4 professional edition.
2) Kylix does not use Wine in any way shape or form. Period.
3) CLX is GPL'ed. A damn smart move.
4) C++ builder will follow in around 6 months. So to all those people who (for some reason are another) are anti-object pascal, this is still a damn good thing.
The only thing I am worried about is compatibility with gcc. Otherwise this is the best thing to happen to linux in a long long time.
Can anybody give me reasons why they won't use it? Do people have a prejudice against IDEs or RADs?
Borland is doing a good thing, and paying attention to what people in the linux community are asking for.
Your entirely correct that you coud probably do all that with around $100 bucks. But what about the interface?
Imagine my techno-phobe artsy-fartsy friends attempting to use an ncurses front end to mpg123?
When instead they can have something like
http://www.audiotron.net/images/Audiotron.gif
That (and the fact that I don't have to hack up an ugly beige molding 486 box so as to make it look respectable) is pretty much worth the 400 dollars to me.
Just my $.20
---snip---
2: No, i could also use this player for exchange in a pinch...which i see as an advantage.
---snip---
How so???
Remember the rio was made so as to not let
people get music OFF of the player(of course
that was cracked, but that's beside the point).
I doubt, especially with this much storage space,
that compaq is going to let you use this to take
music off the player. If they do let you get music
off of the palyer, I have a feeling that the RIAA
is going to get on their back hardcore.
Or maybe you are thinking of outputing the
sound to the audio in of a reciever, and
then dubbing it from there??
Nothing worse than buble furniture in the hallway,
an iMac in your sisters room,
and ganking your fat parents excercise bikes
cause you are too poor to buy chairs
Ok, I completely agree that microsoft should be punished for anti-competitive tactics. But I am questioning the $10 refund. I think that microsoft should give a complete 100% refund to people who buy a computer pre-loaded with windows and never use windows, I believe this because it is very hard to buy a computer without windows on it.
Now.. on to my second point, why should microsoft be made to give a 10$ refund to people who actually USE the OS?? I can see very clearly why a refund should be given to people who don't use it, but if you buy the computer and use the OS then you should pay whatever the asking price is for the OS.
Maybe I'm missing something???
I'd appreciate someone's opinion or point of view on this. Thanks
The whole stint about verifying data by hadn
goes like this:
Web site containing sensitive information defaced
(most sites do contain sensitive information,
cc numbers, product orders, payroll blah blah..).
Are you just going to accep the crackers word
that nothing was altered???
I wouldn't I would rm -rf / and restore from
read only backups, if I didn't have read only backups
then I would have to go through all the "sensitive
data" by hand and esnure that it wasn't altered
in any way shape or form. If you have a huge
database who knows how long this could take.
Yea, and you know 100% of the people out there
are using a firewall??... right??
You seem to have missed the point that
the majority of the people out there are
just connected to the internet without
a gateway or firewall, therefore every
where they go which logs IP can be traced
back to their machine.
--snip---
Look I am rather upset with this continued premise
that "Redhat is Linux". It is not.
I use Debian, it works well and is generally more
secure then RedHat.
---snip----
So, in essence, your saying debian is linux.
I don't understand your logic. They picked
the most popular distribution. You can't
make everybody happy. Would you have
rather they built there own distro?
Or maybe picked Jesux??
The whole point is to show how a linux installation looks from the perspective of a
novice computer user
Check out http://www.logitech.com/us/trackballs/index.html
The one in the middle (white with gigantic red ball in the middle and front).
This trackball rocks!
I can't say enough about it.
It costs about 40 bucks (not too bad), is all
optical so no moving gears to get clogged.
And you can use it with both your right
and left hand.
The only bad thing is no 3rd button for X-windows.
But for 100 times more comfort I'm willing
to give it up.
I am anti-cencorship, but I don't consider
moderation cencorship.
In the threads about Richard Stevens I stumbled upon this,
------snip-------
I am imploring the AC or AC's who insist on posting their drivel to this page to desist. One of Stevens' sons loves to read Slashdot and is
extremely distressed to see some of the posts that are being "written" here today. If you have a heart, just give it a rest.
----end snip-----
Now think about his son, and what he read, and
say that moderation couldn't have saved him some
pain.
thanks
-p.s. Slashdot isn't a government organization,
Rob built this from the ground up, if he doesn't
like the way somebody smells he should be able
to delete that persons post without people
complaining. If people don't like it, why don't
they make a slashdot themselves?, thats what the
internet is all about, if you don't like it, do it
better, just stop complaining.