Oh my god, if Randi's last debunking were a major debunking of Scientology, I think I would just orgasm right there. That's like a lifelong bank robber pulling off a multi-billion dollar robbery of the Federal Reserve as his retirement heist.
you bluster, dodge, evade, make excuses, prevaricate, and otherwise attempt to run away from an easy test
That's actually my favorite part of Randi debunkings. One of the best moments in Tonight Show history (aside from when they kicked Jay Leno's talentless ass to the curb briefly), was when Johnny Carson (who had secretly been working with Randi) confronted Uri Geller with a Randi test. Randi had figured our how Geller was bending spoons and had set up some spoons that Geller couldn't rig as part of the test. The look on Geller's face was priceless. Suddenly he was stumbling backwards over excuses why his "psychic" powers had suddenly failed him. I think the best he could do was some bullshit along the lines of "the auras aren't right" or some such crap. You could tell Carson was doing his best not to crack up. If only more journalists had done what a comic talk show host did that night, Geller would have never been able to defraud as many people as he had up to that point. It was a good thing.
You think that's bad, I once sat in on a police meeting where one of the more idiotic participants wanted to bring in a psychic to help with the investigation. Fortunately, saner heads prevailed and we bought in more search dogs and volunteers instead.
Most of the phones Android are used on already throw their own UI's over Android and lock down the bootloader anyway, right? Since we already have to jailbreak them, this will just be something else to jailbreak (and it will be jailbroken).
No, I just brought the wrong gift to the "Let's all bash the evil corporation!" party. I'm so bad at those kind of things. My Valentine gift sucked too.
Actually, you joke, but the son of one of the worst shitheels I ever worked for ended up as a state senator. I heard second-hand that he once threatened to call INS when one of his illegals tried to walk off the job halfway through the day. If you knew the guy, that story wouldn't surprise you. If you didn't pay close attention, he would try to short you an hour every chance he got.
I don't give a flying fuck how "legal" what they're doing is, it's wrong.
Except that Monsanto spend a lot of time and money developing some of those strains. I don't think it's unfair of them to resent cheap-asses who try to steal all the benefits of that work and expense without paying for it.
Oh how nice of you to post at the exact time the article was posted with such verbosity You must be a speed typist.
Well, either that or I'm a Slashdot subscriber.
your attempt to sway the conversation here to the cheap evil farmers has failed
And I would have succeeded if it weren't for you damned kids and your talking dog!
When your product must be certified organic then it must be organic
You must have missed all the posts above pointing out that you can slap "Organic" on pretty much anything in the U.S., and then gullible people will pay you twice as much for it.
See here for more information.
Let me guess, some "Monsanto is evil, help our poor innocent farmers" documentary. Yeah, I've seen those. I just hope you at least picked one of the more decent ones (not made on a webcam in some douchebag's dorm room).
Organic farmers do not want to use Monsanto seed because well... their crops won't be organic anymore.
And you would know that how? I mean, I'm sure that you run genetic testing on all the organic food you buy, right? And no organic farmer would ever *lie* to you, or take advantage of the increased yields of genetically modified crops, throw them in a bag marked "Organic," and charge gullible dipshits twice as much for them. That would imply greed--which is only the purview of evil corporations, NEVER the noble farmer.
Yes, "Farmers no longer deserve the full protection of the law" was an invisible sentence that I threw in there that only you could read. Everyone else just saw white space.
the very fact that second-hand seed is disallowed already is evil
Well, that's a moral question. Just be prepared to accept that removing patent rights to seed will also remove the incentive of companies like Monsanto to engineer crops. That sounds like a good idea to some, no doubt. But remember that lower yields will mean higher food prices. And don't even THINK about using ethanol for gas (it's already very expensive to produce even WITH genetically modified crops).
No, *you* don't know what you're talking about. Monsanto seed is not sterile. Read it for yourself, from their own website. They make it pretty clear "Monsanto has never developed or commercialized a sterile seed product."
It's not a contradiction. There is a big difference between a farmer who may have some Monsanto crops on the fringes of his fields, and a guy whose entire crop is Monsanto (but who trying to claim it's "just from stray pollination").
BTW, not only is the latter "organic farmer" screwing Monsanto--he is also screwing the consumer, by passing off his genetically modified crops as organic.
A lot of their claims are actually legitimate. A lot of cheap-ass farmers will buy secondhand Monsanto seed from cleaners who take second generation seed from Monsanto crops (sold by other cheap-ass farmers) and sell them at a fraction of Monsanto's price. They're essentially benefiting from all of Monsanto's research and development without paying them a dime.
And I know it's politically-incorrect to bad-mouth the noble American farmer, but I grew up working on farms--and a more cheap-ass, money-grubbing group of people you would be hard-pressed to find. The average farmer I grew up with would climb over his dead mother to save $1. They paid in cash to avoid taxes and unemployment insurance, hired illegals if they could get them (at about half what they paid locals), used all kinds of cheap tricks to inflate their yields, outright lied to the government to up their subsidies, etc. I have no doubt most of the farmers I knew wouldn't have hesitated to use secondhand Monsanto seed if they could have gotten it by hook or crook for even slightly cheaper (this was back before genetic engineering became so big, so it wasn't such an issue back then).
Yes, I have no doubt that some organic farmers are being caught up unfairly in the dragnet. But I also can't blame Monsanto for having these much-maligned "seed police," because there are plenty of farmers out there who would gladly fuck them if they could. Sorry if that complicates the "Noble Farmer vs. Evil Corporation" black-and-white narrative.
You just want to build stuff, and along comes some college trust fund douchebag in a hemp shirt to impose some commie bullshit open-source philosophy on you. NOT EVERY INVENTOR IS SOME SOHO ARTIST WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR URBAN GARDEN, DICKHEAD!
This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps the Occupy movement on the fringe. Every time Mr. and Mrs. Middle America see a protest, instead of seeing something that SHOULD appeal to them too, all they see is a bunch of stoner hippie pricks holding up ancient pictures of Che Guevara, spouting off dormroom philosophy, and blogging about fighting the giant corporations on their brand new Macbooks.
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what's the difference between a pseudo-Religion and a Religion?
Time and numbers.
True Believers will ignore the evidence and carry on believing in them and sending money anyway.
That's true, but it always gives renewed faith to us non-faithful.
In an age where so many skeptics are shouted down, it's nice to have a champion. Randi is *my* Jesus.
Oh my god, if Randi's last debunking were a major debunking of Scientology, I think I would just orgasm right there. That's like a lifelong bank robber pulling off a multi-billion dollar robbery of the Federal Reserve as his retirement heist.
you bluster, dodge, evade, make excuses, prevaricate, and otherwise attempt to run away from an easy test
That's actually my favorite part of Randi debunkings. One of the best moments in Tonight Show history (aside from when they kicked Jay Leno's talentless ass to the curb briefly), was when Johnny Carson (who had secretly been working with Randi) confronted Uri Geller with a Randi test. Randi had figured our how Geller was bending spoons and had set up some spoons that Geller couldn't rig as part of the test. The look on Geller's face was priceless. Suddenly he was stumbling backwards over excuses why his "psychic" powers had suddenly failed him. I think the best he could do was some bullshit along the lines of "the auras aren't right" or some such crap. You could tell Carson was doing his best not to crack up. If only more journalists had done what a comic talk show host did that night, Geller would have never been able to defraud as many people as he had up to that point. It was a good thing.
You think that's bad, I once sat in on a police meeting where one of the more idiotic participants wanted to bring in a psychic to help with the investigation. Fortunately, saner heads prevailed and we bought in more search dogs and volunteers instead.
Most of the phones Android are used on already throw their own UI's over Android and lock down the bootloader anyway, right? Since we already have to jailbreak them, this will just be something else to jailbreak (and it will be jailbroken).
I'm just saying that you'd make a damn fine purchase from what I've read of your posts, if I was in the market
Spread that around. I could use the money.
you mad bro?
No, I just brought the wrong gift to the "Let's all bash the evil corporation!" party. I'm so bad at those kind of things. My Valentine gift sucked too.
Anyone who works or worked for Monsanto, needs to be killed across the board.
Thank you for the reasoned, well-thought-out response.
Actually, you joke, but the son of one of the worst shitheels I ever worked for ended up as a state senator. I heard second-hand that he once threatened to call INS when one of his illegals tried to walk off the job halfway through the day. If you knew the guy, that story wouldn't surprise you. If you didn't pay close attention, he would try to short you an hour every chance he got.
Family farms were the ones I worked on. I would show you my old pay stubs to prove it, but we got paid in cash.
I don't give a flying fuck how "legal" what they're doing is, it's wrong.
Except that Monsanto spend a lot of time and money developing some of those strains. I don't think it's unfair of them to resent cheap-asses who try to steal all the benefits of that work and expense without paying for it.
Five more than a bunch.
Oh how nice of you to post at the exact time the article was posted with such verbosity You must be a speed typist.
Well, either that or I'm a Slashdot subscriber.
your attempt to sway the conversation here to the cheap evil farmers has failed
And I would have succeeded if it weren't for you damned kids and your talking dog!
When your product must be certified organic then it must be organic
You must have missed all the posts above pointing out that you can slap "Organic" on pretty much anything in the U.S., and then gullible people will pay you twice as much for it.
See here for more information.
Let me guess, some "Monsanto is evil, help our poor innocent farmers" documentary. Yeah, I've seen those. I just hope you at least picked one of the more decent ones (not made on a webcam in some douchebag's dorm room).
Are you reading actual postings, or the ones in your head? Because I don't think I can respond to the latter.
Organic farmers do not want to use Monsanto seed because well... their crops won't be organic anymore.
And you would know that how? I mean, I'm sure that you run genetic testing on all the organic food you buy, right? And no organic farmer would ever *lie* to you, or take advantage of the increased yields of genetically modified crops, throw them in a bag marked "Organic," and charge gullible dipshits twice as much for them. That would imply greed--which is only the purview of evil corporations, NEVER the noble farmer.
There is nothing wrong with higher food prices--as long as you're not poor, of course.
Yes, "Farmers no longer deserve the full protection of the law" was an invisible sentence that I threw in there that only you could read. Everyone else just saw white space.
If I were a Monsanto bitch, I would have posted as an AC like you.
the very fact that second-hand seed is disallowed already is evil
Well, that's a moral question. Just be prepared to accept that removing patent rights to seed will also remove the incentive of companies like Monsanto to engineer crops. That sounds like a good idea to some, no doubt. But remember that lower yields will mean higher food prices. And don't even THINK about using ethanol for gas (it's already very expensive to produce even WITH genetically modified crops).
I'm sure they could afford a lot better than me.
But the Monsanto patented crops are sterile
No, *you* don't know what you're talking about. Monsanto seed is not sterile. Read it for yourself, from their own website. They make it pretty clear "Monsanto has never developed or commercialized a sterile seed product."
It's not a contradiction. There is a big difference between a farmer who may have some Monsanto crops on the fringes of his fields, and a guy whose entire crop is Monsanto (but who trying to claim it's "just from stray pollination").
BTW, not only is the latter "organic farmer" screwing Monsanto--he is also screwing the consumer, by passing off his genetically modified crops as organic.
A lot of their claims are actually legitimate. A lot of cheap-ass farmers will buy secondhand Monsanto seed from cleaners who take second generation seed from Monsanto crops (sold by other cheap-ass farmers) and sell them at a fraction of Monsanto's price. They're essentially benefiting from all of Monsanto's research and development without paying them a dime.
And I know it's politically-incorrect to bad-mouth the noble American farmer, but I grew up working on farms--and a more cheap-ass, money-grubbing group of people you would be hard-pressed to find. The average farmer I grew up with would climb over his dead mother to save $1. They paid in cash to avoid taxes and unemployment insurance, hired illegals if they could get them (at about half what they paid locals), used all kinds of cheap tricks to inflate their yields, outright lied to the government to up their subsidies, etc. I have no doubt most of the farmers I knew wouldn't have hesitated to use secondhand Monsanto seed if they could have gotten it by hook or crook for even slightly cheaper (this was back before genetic engineering became so big, so it wasn't such an issue back then).
Yes, I have no doubt that some organic farmers are being caught up unfairly in the dragnet. But I also can't blame Monsanto for having these much-maligned "seed police," because there are plenty of farmers out there who would gladly fuck them if they could. Sorry if that complicates the "Noble Farmer vs. Evil Corporation" black-and-white narrative.
Damn I hate hippies.
You just want to build stuff, and along comes some college trust fund douchebag in a hemp shirt to impose some commie bullshit open-source philosophy on you. NOT EVERY INVENTOR IS SOME SOHO ARTIST WHO WANTS TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR URBAN GARDEN, DICKHEAD!
This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps the Occupy movement on the fringe. Every time Mr. and Mrs. Middle America see a protest, instead of seeing something that SHOULD appeal to them too, all they see is a bunch of stoner hippie pricks holding up ancient pictures of Che Guevara, spouting off dormroom philosophy, and blogging about fighting the giant corporations on their brand new Macbooks.
I'll stop ranting now.