zippythorne writes:
"Yeah, no one's ever been murdered in the name of atheism."
Are you kidding? Stalin created an artificial famine in Ukraine to kill 6 million (crime covered up by the NYT). This doesn't even compare to the total no. killed in the soviet union. what about pol pot and his killing fields? chairman mao is responsible for some 20 MILLION deaths of chinese citizens. zippy, you better get yourself educated.
The Galileo incident had nothing to do w/ evolution, but you are correct that evolution is not inconsistent w/ Church teaching. Many people misunderstand the real issue behind the problem the church had w/ Galileo. It had nothing to do w/ the basic contention that the earth revolved about the sun. Copernius (a Catholic priest) proposed heliocentricity about a 100 years before the Galileo incident. The concept was generally accepted by most educated people (including members of the Church hierarchy) at the time. Galileo strayed from purely scientific examinations to drawing *religious* conclusions based on the contradiction between scripture and scientific fact. The Vatican had asked him to refrain from drawing religious conclusions (the responsibility of the Church) and stick to scientific fact. Galileo agreed, but later fell back to the religious aspects. The Church's position was that it required time to resolve the apparent conflict b/w scripture and science. This is one reason why the Catholic Church does not promote *literal* belief in the bible. The bible's inerrent truth applies to spiritual matters only, not scientific or historical facts. A description of the sun and the rest of the universe revolving around the earth does not detract from the spiritual truth that each human soul is known individually to a loving and caring God.
The issue is that these kids know what computers are capable of and they've seen and used web apps that exhibit good design. i'm nearly 50 myself and i have the same impatience w/ craptastic programming myself. If i'm using an app and ask it to do a simple 2 dimensional search or other simple task i wanna see an immediate response. no excuse for long delays if i'm not rendering the next 3-D blockbuster. I'm doubly frustrated and angered when i'm using an app to perform a common task and have to click 5, 6, or more times to get to where i need to be. HEY, APP DESIGNERS: one, two clicks tops for common tasks. no more than 3 for everything else. I'm using the app to get somehting done, not to click around my desktop like a f'ing monkey.
The point is, we're constantly reminded that little gadgets we pick up at the 7-11 checkout counters now have more processing power than an Apollo moon mission. It follows then that those big honkin' boxes under the desk should be capable of much more than the crap they give us today. If these kids are impatient w/ crap they have every right to be.
Hey, how's this: we find some poor, miserable soul just scraping by in Africa or India some other third-world dung-heap and we harvest his organs to benefit "sick individuals" of means in the US and other "first world" paradises.
after all, a healthy american or european is much more valuable to the world than some pathetic starvation-bloated, non-educated african, right?
man, we'd just blow past all this stem cell nonsense and get what we really want anyway--an endless supply of organs to swap out.
we'd be doing the third-worlder a favor by putting him out of our misery. of course, we'd do it all very painlessly and humanely. after all, we're not nazis.
umm...
Objective criteria: Doesn't involve the destruction of human life (that's pretty objective)
There are a lot of Americans that feel that it's wrong to use federal tax dollars to destroy human life (in any form) so the restriction is NOT based on "one man's personal religious [or philosophical] beliefs."
This debate is not that different from those related to the nazi experimentation on jews or their eugenics programs. All of these denigrate or ignore the dignity (or sanctity, if you're religious) of human life.
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zippythorne writes: "Yeah, no one's ever been murdered in the name of atheism." Are you kidding? Stalin created an artificial famine in Ukraine to kill 6 million (crime covered up by the NYT). This doesn't even compare to the total no. killed in the soviet union. what about pol pot and his killing fields? chairman mao is responsible for some 20 MILLION deaths of chinese citizens. zippy, you better get yourself educated.
The Galileo incident had nothing to do w/ evolution, but you are correct that evolution is not inconsistent w/ Church teaching. Many people misunderstand the real issue behind the problem the church had w/ Galileo. It had nothing to do w/ the basic contention that the earth revolved about the sun. Copernius (a Catholic priest) proposed heliocentricity about a 100 years before the Galileo incident. The concept was generally accepted by most educated people (including members of the Church hierarchy) at the time. Galileo strayed from purely scientific examinations to drawing *religious* conclusions based on the contradiction between scripture and scientific fact. The Vatican had asked him to refrain from drawing religious conclusions (the responsibility of the Church) and stick to scientific fact. Galileo agreed, but later fell back to the religious aspects. The Church's position was that it required time to resolve the apparent conflict b/w scripture and science. This is one reason why the Catholic Church does not promote *literal* belief in the bible. The bible's inerrent truth applies to spiritual matters only, not scientific or historical facts. A description of the sun and the rest of the universe revolving around the earth does not detract from the spiritual truth that each human soul is known individually to a loving and caring God.
The issue is that these kids know what computers are capable of and they've seen and used web apps that exhibit good design. i'm nearly 50 myself and i have the same impatience w/ craptastic programming myself. If i'm using an app and ask it to do a simple 2 dimensional search or other simple task i wanna see an immediate response. no excuse for long delays if i'm not rendering the next 3-D blockbuster. I'm doubly frustrated and angered when i'm using an app to perform a common task and have to click 5, 6, or more times to get to where i need to be. HEY, APP DESIGNERS: one, two clicks tops for common tasks. no more than 3 for everything else. I'm using the app to get somehting done, not to click around my desktop like a f'ing monkey.
The point is, we're constantly reminded that little gadgets we pick up at the 7-11 checkout counters now have more processing power than an Apollo moon mission. It follows then that those big honkin' boxes under the desk should be capable of much more than the crap they give us today. If these kids are impatient w/ crap they have every right to be.
after all, a healthy american or european is much more valuable to the world than some pathetic starvation-bloated, non-educated african, right?
man, we'd just blow past all this stem cell nonsense and get what we really want anyway--an endless supply of organs to swap out.
we'd be doing the third-worlder a favor by putting him out of our misery. of course, we'd do it all very painlessly and humanely. after all, we're not nazis.
umm... Objective criteria: Doesn't involve the destruction of human life (that's pretty objective) There are a lot of Americans that feel that it's wrong to use federal tax dollars to destroy human life (in any form) so the restriction is NOT based on "one man's personal religious [or philosophical] beliefs." This debate is not that different from those related to the nazi experimentation on jews or their eugenics programs. All of these denigrate or ignore the dignity (or sanctity, if you're religious) of human life.