For the sake of building consensus, I also agree. I like most everything else about the new version, but, especially when you have a wide browser window, the current score location is very spatially jarring.
He's not just referring to the kernel. A BSD system is much more than the kernel. He's referring to a linux distro, which is the kernel plus a bunch of stuff that is shoehorned, prodded, and poked in.
Right -- I did not mean to imply that Debian was emulating Ubuntu. I was simply saying that they're very similar, and Ubuntu is considered an "easy" Linux, so there's no reason to consider Debian's installer to be "hard".
> That guy is just another BSD evangelist. The short summary of his long story is "BSD is from a better breed created by superior software designers". I quote, he says Linux is "beat up, punched around, tweaked, poked, prodded, manged, digested, spit out, stomped on, chewed up, tossed out, brought in, and otherwise manipulated", and in the description of what BSD is, it comes down to "BSD is pedigree".
He responds to exactly this critique of his writing on the "responses" page. You'll see that he did not mean it pejoratively.
>He says SCO owns the Unix code, which is wrong.
Right or wrong, this has nothing to do with the quality of his bsd versus linux essay as a whole. It is merely a passing fact.
>He repeats a mantra that says "BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC.". Note the consistent 'PC' as the target for the OS... With Linux supporting many more non-PC platforms than the BSD's, that statement is too wrong in its core to even begin talk about the details.
What he's saying is factually correct. BSD can be traced back, as he says. The version that runs on PCs today was ported from the original. Linux was written from the ground up with PCs as the (main, but not only) target, while trying to emulate Unix. There's nothing inflammatory here. You're reading way too much into it.
Yes, he is obviously biased. However, I am not trolling, and I do think on the whole it is useful information. Take from it what you will. I know that I personally think both sides have their plusses and minuses, and quite happy run Ubuntu, Slackware, and OpenBSD systems.
You can install OpenBSD by hand just like you do for Gentoo if that's your style. The easiest way is to use a boot CD and just run the installer... All you have to do is partition the disk. You can even just make one big root partition and it'll all go fine. If you do make separate partitions for/var,/tmp, etc, the installer will automatically recognize them and create a fstab with the appropriate flags for each partition for maximum security. If you can get past fdisk-style partitioning, it really is very easy.
As someone who has installed OpenBSD on both x86 and PPC systems (which involves a slightly different process), I must say that I'm not sure where this comes from. I installed it on x86 without a manual in 10 minutes, and on PPC in around 20 (10 minutes being confusing related to disk labeling, as I was just used to the tools used on x86). It's really not bad at all. Much easier than Gentoo, and not much harder than a modern-day Debian. It is actually even easier then Debian because if something goes wrong and you want to go back a step, the installer doesn't freak out.
Just stop already -- There's no sense arguing with these idiots. A better idea would be to setup a website and promote it to get the information out there. You're just wasting your time here unfortunately (although I do appreciate the effort).
If you like acme, check out wmii, a window manager inspired by acme (amongst other things). It is incredibly innovative, and version 3 was just released.
In an intro to programming class, you should be teaching true programming concepts... Not Python or Java or anything else. Teaching from a book like How to Design Programs using Scheme is the way to go in my opinion. Give them the concepts, not knowledge of Java or an IDE that will be obsolete in five years. If they know how to truly *program*, they can handle the IDE themselves later.
Exactly. Compare an Apple product to one with a remotely similar level of design (Lenovo for instance), and you'll see Apple's hardware is actually a fantastic value. I'm getting one to run FreeBSD on. And OS X of course... Oh, and Slackware for testing. And Windows 2000 for Eve!!
The keyboard is very nice. I prefer is to the current iBook keyboard greatly. I may even grow to prefer it to my Powerbook. The action is similar, but it is quite a bit quieter. The cursor keys seem strange, but I'm sure I'll get used to them.
What we have here is a bunch of people that worked to create tools and give them away for free. Without compensation. We then have another group of people who created a movie for free. Without compensation.
What you have here is a gift economy. This has nothing to do with primitive "free market" economics.
[i]Okay, I have no idea what you're talking about. Is there an upgrade or what?[/i]
No upgrade.
[i]Also, why do you blame the Radeon? Did someone make apple put it in there?[/i]
I meant it in the sense that it is the fault of the radeon that apple put in there, not the fault of the OS. I do think it is rather lame Apple shipped that system, but for the price it was reasonable.
[i]Also also, I thought I had some Intel graphics.[/i]
If you're talking about the intel mac mini, you do, and quartz extreme is supported. If it is a ppc mac mini, you don't.
[i]Also also also, the problem is mainly app performance, not the GUI so much. Firefox and, to a lesser degree, finder just go out-the-fuck-to-lunch sometimes.[/i]
Firefox on OS X is a dog for many, many, many reasons. Use Camino instead. As for the Finder, it is often out to lunch due to poor threading. It is crap. Expect a new finder in 10.5.
The Mac Mini, a couple of months ago, did not support Quartz Extreme (blame the Radeon 9200). Under such a system, yes, it is a dog. It has been quite speedy though on my 2.5 year old Powerbook (Radeon 9700 Mobility) since the day I got it however.
No Mac zealotry here. I realize that Quicktime is a pain in the ass on Windows. However, the API is very powerful, and you can program some great things if you take advantage of it. Many programs do, hence you cannot escape it, even if you use VLC/mplayer/etc. Quicktime is much, much more than video playback.
How is responding to an "I'll avoid Quicktime issues by using VLC" post with a brief explaination of why that won't work offtopic? There's a serious lack of reading comprehension skills being shown here.
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For the sake of building consensus, I also agree. I like most everything else about the new version, but, especially when you have a wide browser window, the current score location is very spatially jarring.
Do we laugh at the idea of kicking a baby... I sure do.
BUT do we actually kick a baby?
You should become a lobbyist. How could anyone not find that a compelling argument?
Right. I'm not saying it is a security risk. He seemed more concerned about "bloat".
He's not just referring to the kernel. A BSD system is much more than the kernel. He's referring to a linux distro, which is the kernel plus a bunch of stuff that is shoehorned, prodded, and poked in.
Interesting comments, considering that sendmail comes with OpenBSD by default.
Right -- I did not mean to imply that Debian was emulating Ubuntu. I was simply saying that they're very similar, and Ubuntu is considered an "easy" Linux, so there's no reason to consider Debian's installer to be "hard".
Briefly:
> That guy is just another BSD evangelist. The short summary of his long story is "BSD is from a better breed created by superior software designers". I quote, he says Linux is "beat up, punched around, tweaked, poked, prodded, manged, digested, spit out, stomped on, chewed up, tossed out, brought in, and otherwise manipulated", and in the description of what BSD is, it comes down to "BSD is pedigree".
He responds to exactly this critique of his writing on the "responses" page. You'll see that he did not mean it pejoratively.
>He says SCO owns the Unix code, which is wrong.
Right or wrong, this has nothing to do with the quality of his bsd versus linux essay as a whole. It is merely a passing fact.
>He repeats a mantra that says "BSD is what you get when a bunch of Unix hackers sit down to try to port a Unix system to the PC. Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a Unix system for the PC.". Note the consistent 'PC' as the target for the OS... With Linux supporting many more non-PC platforms than the BSD's, that statement is too wrong in its core to even begin talk about the details.
What he's saying is factually correct. BSD can be traced back, as he says. The version that runs on PCs today was ported from the original. Linux was written from the ground up with PCs as the (main, but not only) target, while trying to emulate Unix. There's nothing inflammatory here. You're reading way too much into it.
Yes, he is obviously biased. However, I am not trolling, and I do think on the whole it is useful information. Take from it what you will. I know that I personally think both sides have their plusses and minuses, and quite happy run Ubuntu, Slackware, and OpenBSD systems.
You can install OpenBSD by hand just like you do for Gentoo if that's your style. The easiest way is to use a boot CD and just run the installer... All you have to do is partition the disk. You can even just make one big root partition and it'll all go fine. If you do make separate partitions for /var, /tmp, etc, the installer will automatically recognize them and create a fstab with the appropriate flags for each partition for maximum security. If you can get past fdisk-style partitioning, it really is very easy.
Perhaps in the past, but nowadays it is essentially the same as Ubuntu.
First result for "BSD vs Linux" on Google:n ux/bsd4linux1.php
http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4li
As someone who has installed OpenBSD on both x86 and PPC systems (which involves a slightly different process), I must say that I'm not sure where this comes from. I installed it on x86 without a manual in 10 minutes, and on PPC in around 20 (10 minutes being confusing related to disk labeling, as I was just used to the tools used on x86). It's really not bad at all. Much easier than Gentoo, and not much harder than a modern-day Debian. It is actually even easier then Debian because if something goes wrong and you want to go back a step, the installer doesn't freak out.
Any idea, typed up, can be reproduced in binary. I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Just stop already -- There's no sense arguing with these idiots. A better idea would be to setup a website and promote it to get the information out there. You're just wasting your time here unfortunately (although I do appreciate the effort).
They don't. If they really want to, they can use technical means to stop it, but it is 100% legal.
If you like acme, check out wmii, a window manager inspired by acme (amongst other things). It is incredibly innovative, and version 3 was just released.
In an intro to programming class, you should be teaching true programming concepts... Not Python or Java or anything else. Teaching from a book like How to Design Programs using Scheme is the way to go in my opinion. Give them the concepts, not knowledge of Java or an IDE that will be obsolete in five years. If they know how to truly *program*, they can handle the IDE themselves later.
Exactly. Compare an Apple product to one with a remotely similar level of design (Lenovo for instance), and you'll see Apple's hardware is actually a fantastic value. I'm getting one to run FreeBSD on. And OS X of course... Oh, and Slackware for testing. And Windows 2000 for Eve!!
I may need a larger hard drive.
The keyboard is very nice. I prefer is to the current iBook keyboard greatly. I may even grow to prefer it to my Powerbook. The action is similar, but it is quite a bit quieter. The cursor keys seem strange, but I'm sure I'll get used to them.
It goes about 150 degrees.
Absolutely... after all, your experiment has the astonishing sample size of one.
This is some damn relevant data here!
What we have here is a bunch of people that worked to create tools and give them away for free. Without compensation. We then have another group of people who created a movie for free. Without compensation.
What you have here is a gift economy. This has nothing to do with primitive "free market" economics.
[i]Okay, I have no idea what you're talking about. Is there an upgrade or what?[/i]
No upgrade.
[i]Also, why do you blame the Radeon? Did someone make apple put it in there?[/i]
I meant it in the sense that it is the fault of the radeon that apple put in there, not the fault of the OS. I do think it is rather lame Apple shipped that system, but for the price it was reasonable.
[i]Also also, I thought I had some Intel graphics.[/i]
If you're talking about the intel mac mini, you do, and quartz extreme is supported. If it is a ppc mac mini, you don't.
[i]Also also also, the problem is mainly app performance, not the GUI so much. Firefox and, to a lesser degree, finder just go out-the-fuck-to-lunch sometimes.[/i]
Firefox on OS X is a dog for many, many, many reasons. Use Camino instead. As for the Finder, it is often out to lunch due to poor threading. It is crap. Expect a new finder in 10.5.
The Mac Mini, a couple of months ago, did not support Quartz Extreme (blame the Radeon 9200). Under such a system, yes, it is a dog. It has been quite speedy though on my 2.5 year old Powerbook (Radeon 9700 Mobility) since the day I got it however.
No Mac zealotry here. I realize that Quicktime is a pain in the ass on Windows. However, the API is very powerful, and you can program some great things if you take advantage of it. Many programs do, hence you cannot escape it, even if you use VLC/mplayer/etc. Quicktime is much, much more than video playback.
How is responding to an "I'll avoid Quicktime issues by using VLC" post with a brief explaination of why that won't work offtopic? There's a serious lack of reading comprehension skills being shown here.