If it were not for OS X, I would not use a Mac. All the style and design is nice, but if I were on MacOS 7 or MacOS 8, all the shiny in the world wouldn't help. Or maybe I'd use A/UX. I don't know. OS X gives me all the parts of UNIX I need, all the parts of NeXT I want, and the ability to do "normal user stuff" as well, without having to go out of my way.
I, too, have never met a Mac fanboy stereotype either, just a lot of Unix admins who don't want to have to work when they're not at work.
How alert can he really be if he's blind and deaf? And he can't walk under his own power? I had a golden retriever/german shepherd mix for 14 years, and at that point he had long out-lived every other dog in his litter. He started having seizures and one eventually caused him to go blind. I found out that my parents had to take him and put him down a week after thanksgiving, after my sister showed up at my dorm, forced a cigarette at me and told me she had bad news at like, 7 in the morning.
I don't know what kind of dog you have, but 15 years is a pretty good run for any dog. 19 seems to be sort of pushing it, especially if he's basically an invalid dog. It seems sort of cruel to me, honestly.
Well, if he can supply enough memory and CPU to compensate for the fact that he's adding an extra layer of abstraction. I never really get particularly good graphic performance on any of my VMs in VMWare Fusion on my MBP, but I'm not really interested in using them for editing or games. My FreeBSD 8-STABLE and OpenBSD 4.7 VMs don't even have X installed, for instance.
Obviously, if you can just run the virtualization software as a host rather than running a host OS with a virtualization layer inside as an application, then that's going to help out.
I suppose there is no harm in giving it a shot and seeing if it works for him, I'm just a little skeptical whether or not its going to approach native performance for the tasks he really wants to do.
Well, at that point you're basically telling the questioner not to use his computer for what he wants to use it for. Or buy a Mac and pretend like there are 0 security problems so that he can mess around in Photoshop. Assuming he actually paid for photoshop (and let's be honest...) then he's not going to want to switch platforms and re-buy the application, but that's not going to run very well in a VM and you know it.
Proper use of antivirus, anti-malware and common-sense and he should be alright. He can do his browsing/downloading in Linux and copy whatever he wants off the VM onto the host machine. However, the specific applications he wants to run on Windows pretty much require him to use Windows as the virtualization host, and that's that.
Just because you or I or someone else wouldn't want to run Windows as the host doesn't mean that for someone else they're not going to have to.
So, you're basically crippling a Windows VM, but don't want to use it as a host OS either. It sounds more like you're just against Windows rather than trying to make a case for or against its role in a virtualization relationship.
I before E, except after C and words that sound "Eh" as in Neighbor and Weigh, or all the other words we basically jacked from Greek or Latin, often by way of French, which won't fit into little rhyming ditties and so are just left as an exercise for the reader.
Say, the average Slashdotter, or other mid-level professional. Not someone who would actually be in a position to run (and win) the Governorship of a state that actually matters.
It's likely a firewalling issue. I used to work at a web hosting company that mostly used Courier on shared/dedicated/and vps machines, although a few (like my personal vps) ran Dovecot. It was necessary to tweak the firewall rules on a few of the shared machines to get BlackBerry phones to work with their push-pop mail. Not having an Android phone, I don't know if they support push pop from a secondary location like BB does, or not. However, I don't think that the issue is Courier itself, assuming all your authdaemon settings are correct.
We're being shafted because they aren't shouldering their fare share of the tax burden. Common people don't have any such loopholes. If we try and play a shell game to get out of paying taxes, we get audited and our lives get ruined. They get a cover story about how genius they are and how other companies who make money by selling information about us are going to start doing the same thing.
If they're going to make money selling our personal data to other people who intend to exploit it to try and trick us into buying stuff, the least the can do is cough up the extra $1bn a year or whatever to help pay for infrastructure, social programs and wars. Fuck their money. As soon as it gets labeled taxable income it becomes government money, and that means everyone's money, so they are screwing us over.
Bestiality? I didn't know that Al Qaeda was known for intercourse with livestock. Do you have access to secret intelligence? Wikileaks might be interested.
I don't know anyone dual booting Windows on a Mac, although I do know several people with VMWare or Parallels containers housing Windows. I have Windows 7 x64 Professional in VMWare on my Macbook Pro and my iMac at work, and my co-worker has Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 x64 Professional, for when we are doing QA on Windows builds of the software we make for controlling our product.
I just assumed virtualization had made dual booting a relic of the 90s that we never needed to talk about again.
Well, I think his point was, given history, the people who are willing to volunteer are using the ones you want to get rid of anyway. Just look at America -- the majority of the people willing to come here were the people that Europe was trying to get rid of, like Puritans and criminals (before there was Australia, there was Georgia).
I thought it was called a tramp stamp 'cause that's where you're supposed to aim after doing them from behind. Especially if its a Jesus fish. But I may have missed the point.
Did they just show up for 120 hours, or did they actually pass all their graded assignments, and pass enough of the assignments in enough of the courses that the faculty determined them to have a reasonable knowledge of the craft?
No, I don't believe every piece of FUD I read. In one of my other posts I explain more details about the hardware issues I was facing. Most of my issues were hardware related, not software related. I'm perfectly well able to make the software work as well as the hardware was going to let it. However, when I got into a position to be able to afford not to have anymore, I decided to go with it. If using Linux or BSD on your desktop works for you, then great. It worked for me, more or less, when I had nothing to do outside of school but play around on my home computers, but I don't really want to do that anymore and have chosen the path of least resistance.
I find with desktop Linux, either you get lucky and everything works, or its hell and a half and you have to tweak some obscure thing if you're ever going to get it to work at all. Same with FreeBSD. As servers and workstations, they're fine. But I don't want to have to tweak sysctls to get my crystal usb speakers to work, even though they're allegedly supported. No such work is necessary in Windows or on the Mac.
When I was 14, I was happy to dig around dealing with obscure stuff to get things that should be easy to work. Getting a server set up right is one thing, that's work. I don't want to have to fuss like that when I'm at home, except perhaps on a test machine. I have an older, spare supermicro I liberated from work to experiment with, but I'm not sitting at it to actually use it. It's off in its own area with my home Cisco lab, and I can ssh to it when I want to use it for something.
If all your hardware works fine, and you don't have to futz around to get your desktop the way you want, it then bonzai for you. I won't begrudge you that. But don't begrudge me my choice to not want to mess with it anymore. I'm happy with my current set up, you're happy with yours, and we can all go one with our lives.
I'm a sysadmin/networking type guy. I crave stability. In fact, a good day for me is a day where no one uses a computer because there is less chance of something breaking. I'm just now starting to back into programming anything more complex than automation scripts and definitely don't want to do it for a living, so I see your point with regards to keeping up with emerging trends and new technologies, however in my experience, excitement is pretty much the last thing I want when I'm at work.
I wasn't trolling. It was a Toshiba laptop that was the one in question. I'd had a pretty nice Dell before that, but I gave it to my sister and bought the Toshiba because the Aetheros wireless card would mean I didn't have to keep fucking with Broadcom stuff. However, the battery life was atrocious among other issues. That hard wasn't even good with Windows, let alone any *nix I tried putting on it. I ended up selling the Toshiba for $300 less than a year after I bought it for $650, giving away an EeePC which also bothered me regardless of whether I had Windows or *nix on it, and consolidating on a 13" MBP, which I find to be more portable (its much thinner, even if it has a larger area) than the EeePC and more capable than the Toshiba.
Oh, but I guess the fact a guy who's nickname indicates he's never really been much of fan of Linux not singing the praises of Linux counts as a troll. --- maybe that part is trolling, but whatever. I have stated facts with regards to battery life. The hardware was bad, and the ACPI support in both Linux and FreeBSD was not good enough on that machine to get even the maximum that I could under Windows, which was still terrible at an hour and a half.
Maybe you had better hardware than I was working with. The last "PC" laptop I had would only get about an hour and a half running Windows, and was much worse with either Linux (tried slackware, fedora, centos, and ubuntu) or FreeBSD (also including PC-BSD). When I get a new job that payed more, I rewarded myself with a Macbook Pro and quite frankly, have no reason to ever really want to go back. I can always just go into VMWare if I have to.
I started running FreeBSD and Linux at home in the 8th grade. Now I'm 26, and frankly, am more than happy to just let my *BSD and Linux machines sit in a server room and out of my way. I'll interact with them via SSH from my MacBook Pro. It's Unix enough to allow me to do what I want to do, and I have VMWare images of FreeBSD 8-STABLE, OpenBSD 4.7, Fedora 13 with the CERT data forensics tools, and WIndows 7 Professional, if I need to do something on a "real" BSD, Linux or Windows system locally.
But, I can close the lid of my laptop and it goes to sleep, open it and it wakes up. I don't have to write wpa-supplicant files by hand, worry about wireless drivers, or anything else. I can watch my DVDs, I can watch internet videos if I want to (as much as I bitch about youtube culture and whatnot, there are occasionally things worth watching that happen to live inside of an embedded flash player), my battery life doesn't suck and I spend a lot less time beating my head against the wall due to "not quite 100% compatible" issues.
There are enough little idiosyncrasies in OS X to occasionally make me face palm, but I'm about 95% happy with it. I have a supermicro 1u running FreeBSD at home, a CentOS VPS living at the hosting company I used to admin for, and currently work in a BSD shop, where they provided me with a new iMac as a workstation, which is a pretty nice step up from the crummy Dell running Fedora I was stuck with at my last job.
Frankly, I don't think I'm alone in a rather large section of professional Unix people who want at least one personal machine that they don't have to fight with all the time. Apple products aren't that rare of a scene at BSD conferences either, then again, Apple did hire a bunch of BSD people like Jordan Hubbard to help make OS X as kick-ass as it is under the hood.
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If it were not for OS X, I would not use a Mac. All the style and design is nice, but if I were on MacOS 7 or MacOS 8, all the shiny in the world wouldn't help. Or maybe I'd use A/UX. I don't know. OS X gives me all the parts of UNIX I need, all the parts of NeXT I want, and the ability to do "normal user stuff" as well, without having to go out of my way.
I, too, have never met a Mac fanboy stereotype either, just a lot of Unix admins who don't want to have to work when they're not at work.
How alert can he really be if he's blind and deaf? And he can't walk under his own power? I had a golden retriever/german shepherd mix for 14 years, and at that point he had long out-lived every other dog in his litter. He started having seizures and one eventually caused him to go blind. I found out that my parents had to take him and put him down a week after thanksgiving, after my sister showed up at my dorm, forced a cigarette at me and told me she had bad news at like, 7 in the morning.
I don't know what kind of dog you have, but 15 years is a pretty good run for any dog. 19 seems to be sort of pushing it, especially if he's basically an invalid dog. It seems sort of cruel to me, honestly.
In Korea, only old people go to work because everyone else is too busy playing Starcraft.
Well, if he can supply enough memory and CPU to compensate for the fact that he's adding an extra layer of abstraction. I never really get particularly good graphic performance on any of my VMs in VMWare Fusion on my MBP, but I'm not really interested in using them for editing or games. My FreeBSD 8-STABLE and OpenBSD 4.7 VMs don't even have X installed, for instance.
Obviously, if you can just run the virtualization software as a host rather than running a host OS with a virtualization layer inside as an application, then that's going to help out.
I suppose there is no harm in giving it a shot and seeing if it works for him, I'm just a little skeptical whether or not its going to approach native performance for the tasks he really wants to do.
Well, at that point you're basically telling the questioner not to use his computer for what he wants to use it for. Or buy a Mac and pretend like there are 0 security problems so that he can mess around in Photoshop. Assuming he actually paid for photoshop (and let's be honest...) then he's not going to want to switch platforms and re-buy the application, but that's not going to run very well in a VM and you know it.
Proper use of antivirus, anti-malware and common-sense and he should be alright. He can do his browsing/downloading in Linux and copy whatever he wants off the VM onto the host machine. However, the specific applications he wants to run on Windows pretty much require him to use Windows as the virtualization host, and that's that.
Just because you or I or someone else wouldn't want to run Windows as the host doesn't mean that for someone else they're not going to have to.
I think they're just claiming the mass they expect to make next year, assuming they'll balance their mass sheets at that point?
So, you're basically crippling a Windows VM, but don't want to use it as a host OS either. It sounds more like you're just against Windows rather than trying to make a case for or against its role in a virtualization relationship.
It'll probably just get spun as "Decisive manager shows brilliant leadership by wrecking his car without notifying his passenger."
You're right in principle, however if he uses Windows as the host OS, then he can run his image software natively, then run Linux in the VM.
I before E, except after C and words that sound "Eh" as in Neighbor and Weigh, or all the other words we basically jacked from Greek or Latin, often by way of French, which won't fit into little rhyming ditties and so are just left as an exercise for the reader.
Say, the average Slashdotter, or other mid-level professional. Not someone who would actually be in a position to run (and win) the Governorship of a state that actually matters.
It's likely a firewalling issue. I used to work at a web hosting company that mostly used Courier on shared/dedicated/and vps machines, although a few (like my personal vps) ran Dovecot. It was necessary to tweak the firewall rules on a few of the shared machines to get BlackBerry phones to work with their push-pop mail. Not having an Android phone, I don't know if they support push pop from a secondary location like BB does, or not. However, I don't think that the issue is Courier itself, assuming all your authdaemon settings are correct.
We're being shafted because they aren't shouldering their fare share of the tax burden. Common people don't have any such loopholes. If we try and play a shell game to get out of paying taxes, we get audited and our lives get ruined. They get a cover story about how genius they are and how other companies who make money by selling information about us are going to start doing the same thing.
If they're going to make money selling our personal data to other people who intend to exploit it to try and trick us into buying stuff, the least the can do is cough up the extra $1bn a year or whatever to help pay for infrastructure, social programs and wars. Fuck their money. As soon as it gets labeled taxable income it becomes government money, and that means everyone's money, so they are screwing us over.
Bestiality? I didn't know that Al Qaeda was known for intercourse with livestock. Do you have access to secret intelligence? Wikileaks might be interested.
I don't know anyone dual booting Windows on a Mac, although I do know several people with VMWare or Parallels containers housing Windows. I have Windows 7 x64 Professional in VMWare on my Macbook Pro and my iMac at work, and my co-worker has Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 x64 Professional, for when we are doing QA on Windows builds of the software we make for controlling our product.
I just assumed virtualization had made dual booting a relic of the 90s that we never needed to talk about again.
Well, I think his point was, given history, the people who are willing to volunteer are using the ones you want to get rid of anyway. Just look at America -- the majority of the people willing to come here were the people that Europe was trying to get rid of, like Puritans and criminals (before there was Australia, there was Georgia).
I thought it was called a tramp stamp 'cause that's where you're supposed to aim after doing them from behind. Especially if its a Jesus fish. But I may have missed the point.
Did they just show up for 120 hours, or did they actually pass all their graded assignments, and pass enough of the assignments in enough of the courses that the faculty determined them to have a reasonable knowledge of the craft?
No, I don't believe every piece of FUD I read. In one of my other posts I explain more details about the hardware issues I was facing. Most of my issues were hardware related, not software related. I'm perfectly well able to make the software work as well as the hardware was going to let it. However, when I got into a position to be able to afford not to have anymore, I decided to go with it. If using Linux or BSD on your desktop works for you, then great. It worked for me, more or less, when I had nothing to do outside of school but play around on my home computers, but I don't really want to do that anymore and have chosen the path of least resistance.
I find with desktop Linux, either you get lucky and everything works, or its hell and a half and you have to tweak some obscure thing if you're ever going to get it to work at all. Same with FreeBSD. As servers and workstations, they're fine. But I don't want to have to tweak sysctls to get my crystal usb speakers to work, even though they're allegedly supported. No such work is necessary in Windows or on the Mac.
When I was 14, I was happy to dig around dealing with obscure stuff to get things that should be easy to work. Getting a server set up right is one thing, that's work. I don't want to have to fuss like that when I'm at home, except perhaps on a test machine. I have an older, spare supermicro I liberated from work to experiment with, but I'm not sitting at it to actually use it. It's off in its own area with my home Cisco lab, and I can ssh to it when I want to use it for something.
If all your hardware works fine, and you don't have to futz around to get your desktop the way you want, it then bonzai for you. I won't begrudge you that. But don't begrudge me my choice to not want to mess with it anymore. I'm happy with my current set up, you're happy with yours, and we can all go one with our lives.
I'm a sysadmin/networking type guy. I crave stability. In fact, a good day for me is a day where no one uses a computer because there is less chance of something breaking. I'm just now starting to back into programming anything more complex than automation scripts and definitely don't want to do it for a living, so I see your point with regards to keeping up with emerging trends and new technologies, however in my experience, excitement is pretty much the last thing I want when I'm at work.
I wasn't trolling. It was a Toshiba laptop that was the one in question. I'd had a pretty nice Dell before that, but I gave it to my sister and bought the Toshiba because the Aetheros wireless card would mean I didn't have to keep fucking with Broadcom stuff. However, the battery life was atrocious among other issues. That hard wasn't even good with Windows, let alone any *nix I tried putting on it. I ended up selling the Toshiba for $300 less than a year after I bought it for $650, giving away an EeePC which also bothered me regardless of whether I had Windows or *nix on it, and consolidating on a 13" MBP, which I find to be more portable (its much thinner, even if it has a larger area) than the EeePC and more capable than the Toshiba.
Oh, but I guess the fact a guy who's nickname indicates he's never really been much of fan of Linux not singing the praises of Linux counts as a troll. --- maybe that part is trolling, but whatever. I have stated facts with regards to battery life. The hardware was bad, and the ACPI support in both Linux and FreeBSD was not good enough on that machine to get even the maximum that I could under Windows, which was still terrible at an hour and a half.
Maybe you had better hardware than I was working with. The last "PC" laptop I had would only get about an hour and a half running Windows, and was much worse with either Linux (tried slackware, fedora, centos, and ubuntu) or FreeBSD (also including PC-BSD). When I get a new job that payed more, I rewarded myself with a Macbook Pro and quite frankly, have no reason to ever really want to go back. I can always just go into VMWare if I have to.
I started running FreeBSD and Linux at home in the 8th grade. Now I'm 26, and frankly, am more than happy to just let my *BSD and Linux machines sit in a server room and out of my way. I'll interact with them via SSH from my MacBook Pro. It's Unix enough to allow me to do what I want to do, and I have VMWare images of FreeBSD 8-STABLE, OpenBSD 4.7, Fedora 13 with the CERT data forensics tools, and WIndows 7 Professional, if I need to do something on a "real" BSD, Linux or Windows system locally.
But, I can close the lid of my laptop and it goes to sleep, open it and it wakes up. I don't have to write wpa-supplicant files by hand, worry about wireless drivers, or anything else. I can watch my DVDs, I can watch internet videos if I want to (as much as I bitch about youtube culture and whatnot, there are occasionally things worth watching that happen to live inside of an embedded flash player), my battery life doesn't suck and I spend a lot less time beating my head against the wall due to "not quite 100% compatible" issues.
There are enough little idiosyncrasies in OS X to occasionally make me face palm, but I'm about 95% happy with it. I have a supermicro 1u running FreeBSD at home, a CentOS VPS living at the hosting company I used to admin for, and currently work in a BSD shop, where they provided me with a new iMac as a workstation, which is a pretty nice step up from the crummy Dell running Fedora I was stuck with at my last job.
Frankly, I don't think I'm alone in a rather large section of professional Unix people who want at least one personal machine that they don't have to fight with all the time. Apple products aren't that rare of a scene at BSD conferences either, then again, Apple did hire a bunch of BSD people like Jordan Hubbard to help make OS X as kick-ass as it is under the hood.
Yes, actually. The last thing we need is another damned facebook.