Thanks. I personally have done "ahem" questionable activities in the past (not admitting anything in particular, dang RIAA), but it really is a matter of people taking personal responsibility for their own actions. If I get sued for what I have done, knowing full well that what I was doing was wrong, there really isn't much that I can complain about. That is just the chance that I took.
Fair use is a whole 'nother can o' worms. However, if a business makes money by using copyright/ intellectual property and disregards a firmly written licensing agreement, I hope a whole lot of whoop-arse gets opened. That isn't a case of "joe-down-the-street" wanting to listen to what he could get on the radio for free anyways, it's "lets make money by bypassing the R&D (people's jobs) and going directly to greenbacks-by-the-fistfull". BTW, I am not meaning the jobs of people writing the software (in this case) since PearPC is a hobby project, done not-for-profit. I mean the jobs of people that should have existed in order to create a different software. We have enough problems in the tech industry with offshoring/ weak economy (USA) that we don't have to have some smarmy wisearse who probably has 3 yachts wanting to pocket more cash rather than pay workers to do things legally. Heck, off-shore it. Just stop lining your pockets a little to make sure you do it legally. Greed. Sigh.
At this point, with nothing but personal attacks after I accept that I overreached with one comparison, I feel that there isn't much more to be expected for a refutal. Sigh.
Go steal as many MP3s as your hard drive can hold, let alone movies that are still in the theatre. Justify it any way you want to. Heck, I have done my share of "justification" in the past. Just come back when you are willing to play nicely and have convincing arguments for these actions, or a better alternative to the status quo.
"If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed. Otherwise, live by them. This is not a right, this is a responsibility."
The responsibility is NOT to "live by the rules", it is "If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed." If you can't be bothered to attempt to change the laws you do not like, you have no right to break said laws, and you deserve all punishments outlined by said laws. If you don't like it, change it. Or more colloquial, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Or more crudely, "Put up or shut up."
The ridiculous statement about the car might be irregular, but I still stand by the idea of theft of "intellectual property".
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
4. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
5. Baseball. To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.
1.
1. Something owned; a possession.
2. A piece of real estate: has a swimming pool on the property.
3. Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks.
4. Possessions considered as a group.
2. The right of ownership; title.
3. An article, except costumes and scenery, that appears on the stage or on screen during a dramatic performance.
4.
1. A characteristic trait or peculiarity, especially one serving to define or describe its possessor.
2. A characteristic attribute possessed by all members of a class. See Synonyms at quality.
5. A special capability or power; a virtue: the chemical properties of a metal.
According to the arguments that you have given, it is perfectly alright for me to come over to your house at night, break into your car, take it for a drive, and then return it, since you haven't lost anything. It really isn't "stealing" industrial secrets, and I shouldn't be put in jail for releasing chemical weapons information to hostile countries?
Please note: Theft = Stealing (by your comments) Stealing = To take (the property of another) without right or permission. (definition 1) Property = Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks. (definition 1, sub 3)
If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed. Otherwise, live by them. This is not a right, this is a responsibility.
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Thanks. I personally have done "ahem" questionable activities in the past (not admitting anything in particular, dang RIAA), but it really is a matter of people taking personal responsibility for their own actions. If I get sued for what I have done, knowing full well that what I was doing was wrong, there really isn't much that I can complain about. That is just the chance that I took.
Fair use is a whole 'nother can o' worms. However, if a business makes money by using copyright/ intellectual property and disregards a firmly written licensing agreement, I hope a whole lot of whoop-arse gets opened. That isn't a case of "joe-down-the-street" wanting to listen to what he could get on the radio for free anyways, it's "lets make money by bypassing the R&D (people's jobs) and going directly to greenbacks-by-the-fistfull". BTW, I am not meaning the jobs of people writing the software (in this case) since PearPC is a hobby project, done not-for-profit. I mean the jobs of people that should have existed in order to create a different software. We have enough problems in the tech industry with offshoring/ weak economy (USA) that we don't have to have some smarmy wisearse who probably has 3 yachts wanting to pocket more cash rather than pay workers to do things legally. Heck, off-shore it. Just stop lining your pockets a little to make sure you do it legally. Greed. Sigh.
At this point, with nothing but personal attacks after I accept that I overreached with one comparison, I feel that there isn't much more to be expected for a refutal. Sigh.
Go steal as many MP3s as your hard drive can hold, let alone movies that are still in the theatre. Justify it any way you want to. Heck, I have done my share of "justification" in the past. Just come back when you are willing to play nicely and have convincing arguments for these actions, or a better alternative to the status quo.
BTW, you have still not answered my refutation of your claim "The fact remains that theft is stealing, and using someone's intellectual property without permission isn't stealing, because it doesn't deprive anyone of anything - this deprivation is central to the concept of theft in both legal terms, and linguistic ones. It might be wrong, but IT IS NOT THEFT and no amount of wishing will make it so. Some amount of voting could, though, I suppose." I have outlined it in definitions of English language from accredited dictionaries (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved) Where is your substantiation for -your- claims, aside from personal definitions?
Sigh. You are not understanding my statement:
"If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed. Otherwise, live by them. This is not a right, this is a responsibility."
The responsibility is NOT to "live by the rules", it is "If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed." If you can't be bothered to attempt to change the laws you do not like, you have no right to break said laws, and you deserve all punishments outlined by said laws. If you don't like it, change it. Or more colloquial, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Or more crudely, "Put up or shut up."
The ridiculous statement about the car might be irregular, but I still stand by the idea of theft of "intellectual property".
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theft
Theft:
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.
2. Obsolete. Something stolen.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=steal
Steal:
v. stole, (stl) stolen, (stln) stealing, steals
v. tr.
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
2. To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
3. To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
4. To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
5. Baseball. To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=property
Property:
n. pl. properties
1.
1. Something owned; a possession.
2. A piece of real estate: has a swimming pool on the property.
3. Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks.
4. Possessions considered as a group.
2. The right of ownership; title.
3. An article, except costumes and scenery, that appears on the stage or on screen during a dramatic performance.
4.
1. A characteristic trait or peculiarity, especially one serving to define or describe its possessor.
2. A characteristic attribute possessed by all members of a class. See Synonyms at quality.
5. A special capability or power; a virtue: the chemical properties of a metal.
According to the arguments that you have given, it is perfectly alright for me to come over to your house at night, break into your car, take it for a drive, and then return it, since you haven't lost anything. It really isn't "stealing" industrial secrets, and I shouldn't be put in jail for releasing chemical weapons information to hostile countries?
Please note:
Theft = Stealing (by your comments)
Stealing = To take (the property of another) without right or permission. (definition 1)
Property = Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: properties such as copyrights and trademarks. (definition 1, sub 3)
If you do not like the laws, get the laws changed. Otherwise, live by them. This is not a right, this is a responsibility.