I'm American, I have a "right" to have an iPhone! Another brand phone with similar features won't do, I insist on the Apple (TM) iPhone(TM)! Whaaa! I'm calling my senator!
You are lying, first of all. Capitalism does NOT require "free and open markets" as defined by you. Capitalism is served just fine by a new carrier having the ability to enter the market. Anybody with sufficient money and motivation can start a new cell phone company - ergo the market is "open". I know you "more capitalist than thou socialists" think you make a convincing argument here, but I'm afraid the definition of "capitalism" doesn't mean what you think it means.
You nerds crack me up. Instead of using facts to base your arguments against IE8, which most of you dweebs haven't even tried, you just resort to "tribal knowledge". Outdated, laughable tribal knowledge. Oh, you just _know_ IE8 sucks. Just like you "know" IIS7 sucks and Windows Vista sucks, and Windows Server 2008 sucks, etc...
Sorry, I don't form my opinions based on the the tribal knowledge of a bunch of tech dinosaurs.
Why the animosity? I said you were smart. And you are indeed smart. All the best companies wait until their product is ready for the market before they start advertising it or building hype for it. The world is littered with the success of great, ingenious companies who never hype anything.
You can't walk 5 feet without bumping into a successful company that never markets an idea or product as it's being developed!
I was overstating it a bit, but IIS7 is technologically superior to Apache in almost every way, and provides a superset of functionality as compared to Apache in most areas. Even PHP performs as well now in IIS7.
Good luck in your career as a tech dinosaur, though.
"Grr, Windows bad! Windows Baaad! Me tech dinosaur!"
Whatever, dork. Unfortunately for your distorted view of the world the XBox 360 is eating Sony's lunch - please see attach rates, top game sellers, etc...
Opera making a laughable ploy to stay relevant by putting more crap in the browser is hilarious. Like there aren't a myriad of products _dedicated_ to sharing your own content.
Hilarious to hear you people using the same argument you dismiss when Microsoft uses it to explain to you numbskulls why Windows has viruses and Linux/Apple have few - because nobody cares about Linux/Apple as they have a tiny market share.
You're a bit retarded considering Live Mesh was around well before Wave. Do you bother to actually, like, _know_ anything before you blather your useless invective?
What's your point, jackoff? Nothing you said has any bearing on what he said.
True or false: If a corporation can make more money in Country B than Country A, would it not be wise for the company to move to country B?
All your boring socialist screed is trying to show is how those Big Bad corporations benefit from something, and you hate those Big Bad Corporations.
Socialist douche. Corporate taxation is a scam. Only people should be taxed, corporate "profit" is the most valuable money in an economy - it _all_ goes into reinvestment contrary to your easily disproved lies.
He's not saying they're going to stop selling to the US, or even stop having MS sites in the US. He's saying more and more US jobs will move overseas, and they will find "other" ways to remain profitable. Most of these other ways will not be conducive to the US economy, but then neither will pretty much anything else that douchy tool Obama is doing.
He's not saying they're going to up and pull up stakes and move out of the US overnight. He's saying over time it will become less and less profitable to do business from the US so more and more of their business will be moved overseas.
You whiny bitches can complain about "evil corporations" and "Micr0$haft" or whatever you kids call them these days, but the fact remains that will be a lot of jobs moving out of the US. Current jobs and potential future jobs. And it won't be just Microsoft. But then, you and your Obamessiah are too stupid to really understand anything like that.
So you are in favour of toxic paint not being a barrier to toy sales then. Fair enough. After all the free market must reign supreme. And child safe paint is more expensive.
My point being that no producer of any product is free to put anything they like in their products. Every industry has regulations that are observed or they get legal problems.
And how did you manage to ascertain that my argument was invalid if you didn't read it? Slight problem with logic there..
As I said, lead paint has nothing to do with, well, anything. That's a product safety issue.
The free market should reign supreme (more or less) unless there's a public safety risk. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that or why you'd keep bringing up product safety issues.
Simple enough. It doesn't interact with anything outside the computer it is installed on. I do not experience any benefits or problems using my choice of OS due to explorer. Which is what makes it different to IE. So no problem.
Wow, that's some sophist tap dancing right there. Rat tat, ta ta, tat tat ta!
What in God's name does it not interacting with anything outside the computer (which it of course does - you do know tons of software interacts with the desktop right?) have to do with anything?
I could sit around and claim that if it weren't for evil old MS giving away explorer.exe we could all have super-advanced desktops with Internet browsing built in, all kinds of advanced stuff because evil old MS is holding back the industry.
Why is it so vital that Microsoft bundles their browser with every copy of Windows? I know the answer, so I'm just trying to get you to say it in public. Not much hope I know, but I'm an optimist some times.
OK, I'll say it in public. MS bundles their browser with every copy of Windows because an OS without a built in browser is a laughable proposition. It's silly. All semi-mainstream OS's include a browser. The user needs one, and there is a lot of current and legacy software that expects one to be present on the OS.
Wow, you got me! I admitted it! I'm just shamefaced now!
Nope.. Misdirection again. Sorry. It isn't about money. It isn't about customising the OS either. It's about competition being possible. You are still trying so hard to steer the conversation away from the real problem. Try harder.
Competition is possible. There are alternative browsers, quite good ones. There are countless operating system choices. It's simply a lie, and an easily disproved one, to say there is not rich competition in any segment of the software industry.
Breaking antitrust law, huh? Can you show me the specific law which prevents anything MS did? Of course you can't, the "law" isn't a law but an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The government and regulatory bodies can decide, after the fact, that some action falls afoul of "the law" based purely on subjective interpretation of very loose guidelines. More accurately, there is no way for a corporation to know at the time it does something whether its actions will be deemed, ex post facto, illegal at a later date.
Boring, couldn't read all your blathering. Ignored non sequitur about lead paint, read a few more sentences, got bored.
Suffice it to say your argument is nonsensical. A producer of a product should be able to provide whatever features they want. So your overall outlook is stupid.
As for your long, rambling blather about "special features", there are none. To turn your questions around, why should MS be allowed to bundle explorer.exe with Windows? I mean shit, there could be a wonderful ecosystem of Windows Desktop Experience vendors selling alternatives, right? I'm not fond of the taskbar either, MS is abusing their monopoly preventing other vendors from entering the vibrant "taskbar application" market! And god damn it, don't get me started on cmd.exe. If those dirty fuckers didn't give it away for free more people would use lovely third party console apps and we'd all be better off.
See, I can ramble too, but at least I'm not making totally asinine points.
There is no such law. You're talking about bureaucratic interpretation of a ridiculous policy that "thou shalt not 'abuse' your 'monopoly'". Please show me the law that says specifically an OS vendor must include competitors' products in their own product.
Yeah - didn't think so. It's all whiny competitors and greedy bureaucrats making subjective decisions they pull out of their ass.
Explain to me why it matters that customers who don't care about their browser and don't give a shit enough to go find another one are massively helped by then confusing them with options they don't give a rat's ass about anyway?
When I build my grandma's computer next month, I'm going to tell her she can choose from 50 Linux distributions, 3-4 versions of Windows, and various special purpose OS's I could install for her. When she looks at me and asks me what on earth I'm talking about and tells me she just wants to check her yahoo mail, I'm going to punch her in the face and make her choose.
You're right, government and regulatory body interference has harmed you. If they had allowed the market to define de facto standards, which IE was, you'd only have to target IE and then other browsers would be "IE compatible".
Holy shit, you know what else I can't remove?! explorer.exe! And the kernel! And...
Your point is retarded. The HTML rendering engine is required by various parts of the OS product as well as a multitude of third party applications. Complaining you can't remove it is something stupid people do.
In fact, you could actually remove it. Boot into a windows emergency CD and remove the files - tell me how that works out for you.
They can't corner anything, there is a free, high quality alternative.
Microsoft needs to listen to the people saying "OK, don't sell in the EU then - fuck 'em.". Of course, that in itself is crazy (lot of money to be had) but the spirit behind it is good.
What they need to do is just grant the EU's every wish. Sell 15 versions of Windows with all the options anyone wants. Hell, bundle Firefox. Release a bare-bones Windows with nothing but the bare minimum.
In addition, raise prices on all of these and greatly restrict the terms of the warranty and support. Let the EU users pay the price for their bullshit anti-corporate socialism.
You lost me when you incorrectly decided that Operating System means something it doesn't. An operating system is something a user installs on their computer and which provides them some set of functionality to get work done.
You must think the Market is a CS class. It isn't.
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I'm American, I have a "right" to have an iPhone! Another brand phone with similar features won't do, I insist on the Apple (TM) iPhone(TM)! Whaaa! I'm calling my senator!
What a bunch of fucking crybabies.
You are lying, first of all. Capitalism does NOT require "free and open markets" as defined by you. Capitalism is served just fine by a new carrier having the ability to enter the market. Anybody with sufficient money and motivation can start a new cell phone company - ergo the market is "open". I know you "more capitalist than thou socialists" think you make a convincing argument here, but I'm afraid the definition of "capitalism" doesn't mean what you think it means.
You nerds crack me up. Instead of using facts to base your arguments against IE8, which most of you dweebs haven't even tried, you just resort to "tribal knowledge". Outdated, laughable tribal knowledge. Oh, you just _know_ IE8 sucks. Just like you "know" IIS7 sucks and Windows Vista sucks, and Windows Server 2008 sucks, etc...
Sorry, I don't form my opinions based on the the tribal knowledge of a bunch of tech dinosaurs.
Why the animosity? I said you were smart. And you are indeed smart. All the best companies wait until their product is ready for the market before they start advertising it or building hype for it. The world is littered with the success of great, ingenious companies who never hype anything.
You can't walk 5 feet without bumping into a successful company that never markets an idea or product as it's being developed!
I was overstating it a bit, but IIS7 is technologically superior to Apache in almost every way, and provides a superset of functionality as compared to Apache in most areas. Even PHP performs as well now in IIS7.
Good luck in your career as a tech dinosaur, though.
"Grr, Windows bad! Windows Baaad! Me tech dinosaur!"
Whatever, dork. Unfortunately for your distorted view of the world the XBox 360 is eating Sony's lunch - please see attach rates, top game sellers, etc...
You're smart. All the best, most successful companies never market anything until it's on the shelves.
Opera making a laughable ploy to stay relevant by putting more crap in the browser is hilarious. Like there aren't a myriad of products _dedicated_ to sharing your own content.
Yeah, IIS7 is sufficiently far ahead of Apache in almost every way that you're right - Microsoft doesn't have to compete with Apache.
Hilarious to hear you people using the same argument you dismiss when Microsoft uses it to explain to you numbskulls why Windows has viruses and Linux/Apple have few - because nobody cares about Linux/Apple as they have a tiny market share.
You're a bit retarded considering Live Mesh was around well before Wave. Do you bother to actually, like, _know_ anything before you blather your useless invective?
Schmidt349: managing to be wrong twice in a sentence with only 17 words.
What's your point, jackoff? Nothing you said has any bearing on what he said.
True or false: If a corporation can make more money in Country B than Country A, would it not be wise for the company to move to country B?
All your boring socialist screed is trying to show is how those Big Bad corporations benefit from something, and you hate those Big Bad Corporations.
Socialist douche. Corporate taxation is a scam. Only people should be taxed, corporate "profit" is the most valuable money in an economy - it _all_ goes into reinvestment contrary to your easily disproved lies.
You're stupid.
He's not saying they're going to stop selling to the US, or even stop having MS sites in the US. He's saying more and more US jobs will move overseas, and they will find "other" ways to remain profitable. Most of these other ways will not be conducive to the US economy, but then neither will pretty much anything else that douchy tool Obama is doing.
No, you're just stupid. That's all.
He's not saying they're going to up and pull up stakes and move out of the US overnight. He's saying over time it will become less and less profitable to do business from the US so more and more of their business will be moved overseas.
You whiny bitches can complain about "evil corporations" and "Micr0$haft" or whatever you kids call them these days, but the fact remains that will be a lot of jobs moving out of the US. Current jobs and potential future jobs. And it won't be just Microsoft. But then, you and your Obamessiah are too stupid to really understand anything like that.
Phenom (and AM2 and above) have been around a lot longer. 1366 MB prices are starting to plummet now.
So you are in favour of toxic paint not being a barrier to toy sales then. Fair enough. After all the free market must reign supreme. And child safe paint is more expensive.
My point being that no producer of any product is free to put anything they like in their products. Every industry has regulations that are observed or they get legal problems.
And how did you manage to ascertain that my argument was invalid if you didn't read it? Slight problem with logic there..
As I said, lead paint has nothing to do with, well, anything. That's a product safety issue.
The free market should reign supreme (more or less) unless there's a public safety risk. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that or why you'd keep bringing up product safety issues.
Simple enough. It doesn't interact with anything outside the computer it is installed on. I do not experience any benefits or problems using my choice of OS due to explorer. Which is what makes it different to IE. So no problem.
Wow, that's some sophist tap dancing right there. Rat tat, ta ta, tat tat ta!
What in God's name does it not interacting with anything outside the computer (which it of course does - you do know tons of software interacts with the desktop right?) have to do with anything?
I could sit around and claim that if it weren't for evil old MS giving away explorer.exe we could all have super-advanced desktops with Internet browsing built in, all kinds of advanced stuff because evil old MS is holding back the industry.
Why is it so vital that Microsoft bundles their browser with every copy of Windows? I know the answer, so I'm just trying to get you to say it in public. Not much hope I know, but I'm an optimist some times.
OK, I'll say it in public. MS bundles their browser with every copy of Windows because an OS without a built in browser is a laughable proposition. It's silly. All semi-mainstream OS's include a browser. The user needs one, and there is a lot of current and legacy software that expects one to be present on the OS.
Wow, you got me! I admitted it! I'm just shamefaced now!
Nope.. Misdirection again. Sorry. It isn't about money. It isn't about customising the OS either. It's about competition being possible. You are still trying so hard to steer the conversation away from the real problem. Try harder.
Competition is possible. There are alternative browsers, quite good ones. There are countless operating system choices. It's simply a lie, and an easily disproved one, to say there is not rich competition in any segment of the software industry.
Breaking antitrust law, huh? Can you show me the specific law which prevents anything MS did? Of course you can't, the "law" isn't a law but an excuse to go on a fishing expedition. The government and regulatory bodies can decide, after the fact, that some action falls afoul of "the law" based purely on subjective interpretation of very loose guidelines. More accurately, there is no way for a corporation to know at the time it does something whether its actions will be deemed, ex post facto, illegal at a later date.
Boring, couldn't read all your blathering. Ignored non sequitur about lead paint, read a few more sentences, got bored.
Suffice it to say your argument is nonsensical. A producer of a product should be able to provide whatever features they want. So your overall outlook is stupid.
As for your long, rambling blather about "special features", there are none. To turn your questions around, why should MS be allowed to bundle explorer.exe with Windows? I mean shit, there could be a wonderful ecosystem of Windows Desktop Experience vendors selling alternatives, right? I'm not fond of the taskbar either, MS is abusing their monopoly preventing other vendors from entering the vibrant "taskbar application" market! And god damn it, don't get me started on cmd.exe. If those dirty fuckers didn't give it away for free more people would use lovely third party console apps and we'd all be better off.
See, I can ramble too, but at least I'm not making totally asinine points.
There is no such law. You're talking about bureaucratic interpretation of a ridiculous policy that "thou shalt not 'abuse' your 'monopoly'". Please show me the law that says specifically an OS vendor must include competitors' products in their own product.
Yeah - didn't think so. It's all whiny competitors and greedy bureaucrats making subjective decisions they pull out of their ass.
Explain to me why it matters that customers who don't care about their browser and don't give a shit enough to go find another one are massively helped by then confusing them with options they don't give a rat's ass about anyway?
When I build my grandma's computer next month, I'm going to tell her she can choose from 50 Linux distributions, 3-4 versions of Windows, and various special purpose OS's I could install for her. When she looks at me and asks me what on earth I'm talking about and tells me she just wants to check her yahoo mail, I'm going to punch her in the face and make her choose.
You're right, government and regulatory body interference has harmed you. If they had allowed the market to define de facto standards, which IE was, you'd only have to target IE and then other browsers would be "IE compatible".
Holy shit, you know what else I can't remove?! explorer.exe! And the kernel! And...
Your point is retarded. The HTML rendering engine is required by various parts of the OS product as well as a multitude of third party applications. Complaining you can't remove it is something stupid people do.
In fact, you could actually remove it. Boot into a windows emergency CD and remove the files - tell me how that works out for you.
They can't corner anything, there is a free, high quality alternative.
Microsoft needs to listen to the people saying "OK, don't sell in the EU then - fuck 'em.". Of course, that in itself is crazy (lot of money to be had) but the spirit behind it is good.
What they need to do is just grant the EU's every wish. Sell 15 versions of Windows with all the options anyone wants. Hell, bundle Firefox. Release a bare-bones Windows with nothing but the bare minimum.
In addition, raise prices on all of these and greatly restrict the terms of the warranty and support. Let the EU users pay the price for their bullshit anti-corporate socialism.
You lost me when you incorrectly decided that Operating System means something it doesn't. An operating system is something a user installs on their computer and which provides them some set of functionality to get work done.
You must think the Market is a CS class. It isn't.