Of course. And when you go to Samsung, they then sue the manufacturer of the IC. It's a laughably silly idea, the only thing it will do is provide lots of work for lawyers.
Good point, but 100% backwards. This is an MS problem, or a customer problem. If MS suddenly decides you need a 3.0GHz processor to run Windows 7, is it Intel/AMD's fault that not all of their processors are 3.0GHz or faster?
It's a moot point anyway, this requirement will probably go away by RTM.
You can certainly have a fascist state (of varying degrees) without the "toss people into ovens" aspects.
Best way to deal with assholes is ignore them or socially castigate them. Take the AC racist comments. Who gives a shit? They think they're shocking, but I'm not shocked at all - I'm bored by it. I've shit more shocking things. You'll find the same things if you play online games - little dweebs acting out who think it's shocking to say n*g*er over and over.
It kind of is your constitutional right to be an asshole pretty much anywhere, for nonviolent, non-frauding, non-libel/slander, non-likely-to-cause-imminent-violence values of asshole.
Actually, had you asked Dean Baker this question in 2006, he would have showed you this graph [cepr.net], based on historical norms of housing values adjusted for inflation. I believe this would be called statistical analysis. Perhaps it's something you should look into.
Funny. If I wasn't too lazy I could find you 5 pieces of "statistical evidence" directly to the contrary of that article.
Corporations have the privilege of limited liability and funding through stock offerings. If they don't want to pay corporate tax rates, they can form business partnerships which don't offer these benefits, and don't require them to pay corporate tax rates. But you ain't even on my level. I'm going to let my homie Reagan ride on your bitch ass.
Like I give a shit about Reagan or he was a great thinker, first of all. More importantly Reagan didn't do shit. It rouses the rabble to talk about things like that, but in the end his great tax reform didn't do shit about corporate taxation (as we see now). It was smoke and mirrors. His handlers knew corporate taxation increases would be counter productive.
I know when a Democrat says the same thing it's socialist. As usual, modern right wing rhetoric is so blatantly hypocritical it's become a comedy.
Yeah, a swing and a miss. I find the right wing to be even more douchy than the left wing. I don't give a fuck about Reagan.
Oh, damn, I forgot. Military spending is a total waste of money. What are your plans for reducing that? It represents the largest slice of federal spending
Now what am I going to do when you just resort to blatant easily disproved lies? Even if you take fairly tight groupings it's second place. In reality it's smaller than a bunch of social programs in aggregate which could be done at the state level, done away with, or cleaned up.
Back to that "not right wing" thing, we could cut military spending anyway if we stop pretending we're the world's police. It could stay flat or adjust slightly down.
I know! If we invest in education or health care, it's just like lighting the bills on fire. Whereas every time a tax break is given to a company already profiting billions, another angel gets its wings.
You've bought into the fiction that a company can profit or that it's a person. It's not - even legally. It just has similar legal protections to those of a person. Regardless, taxes on a company come straight out of a real person's pocket. If you're taxed, it doesn't cost me money. That's the difference.
They have a majority of the country's wealth. Why shouldn't they pay a majority of it's taxes?
Did I say they shouldn't? They pay not only the majority but they pay a disproportionate majority of the taxes. I know in your socialist utopia you'll have 300,000,000 voters who don't pay any taxes and 20,000,000 voters who do.
Fortunately and unfortunately that will never happen - rich people are smarter than poor people and aren't going to let it happen. Sucks because that means our elections will continue to be bought and paid for, but nice because the rabble are too stupid to run the country.
It's adorable. Asking a corporation to pay it's fair share of taxes is "proletariat rage," and programs that help people like the Earned Income Tax Credit are socialist. So much for principles, huh?
Yes. Resting your whole argument on the lie that "corporations are people" is your problem. They're not. Even legally they're not. Thinking about how a corporation works for 5 minutes (better make it 10) will make it plain as day how increasing taxes on them, especially during a recessio
Corporations are not people. They have some legal protections similar to those of people. The "they're people" argument is not rational, it's just a quick point score in any anti-corporatist's arsenal.
Corporations are not sentient. They don't "enjoy" profits. If corporations were people, of course, the money they pay in taxes wouldn't directly come out of shareholder's and employee's pockets. Corporate income that isn't given to employees/shareholders is the most productive money in the economy.
Requesting "statistical evidence" is the last refuge of someone who can't reason. 2 years ago you could have asked 'what statistical reason do you have to believe the current housing/credit/overextension bubble will crash?'. It's a meaningless question.
Corporate tax is a scam. When corporations take in a profit, they do what with it? They invest it back into the company, they expand, they pay it out as a dividend, or they pay it to their workers. All but one of those directly benefit society. The last one gets taxed already. Those "fat cats" you rabble rousers love to harp on pay a shitload of taxes on that money already.
Effectively when you tax a corporation, you're taking money away from the entities most likely to create jobs and expand the economy, and you give it to the entity most proven to waste money. You are taking the absolutely most valuable money in the economy and destroying it.
I don't agree with whining about the "super rich" either, as they pay most of this country's tax burden, but at least that's not as absolutely destructive as going after corporations and large businesses.
So please, spend your proletariat rage on the rich people, not the corporations. Having a tax revenue highly susceptible to boom and bust cycles is a lesser evil than slowing down the cornerstone of the modern economy.
You must be new. The government never lowers taxes. They may shift the burden around, but in the end it hurts us all.
Shifting even more of the tax burden to the wealthy (they already pay majority of taxes in this country) just means your tax income is more susceptible to boom and bust cycles. See: California. Many other states.
You're still paying the tax anyway. You're just paying it on the products you buy. You're paying it when you lose your job because your employer's profit margins have shrunk and they need to downsize. A tax like this hits everyone.
Corporate income tax is a scam anyway, that's why nobody's done anything about it for so long - it's a bad idea. Tax it when it gets to a person. Corporations spend their "profit" expanding, providing jobs, and paying individuals who then pay taxes anyway.
Yeah, because slowing down buying is something a weak economy just craves. It just works wonders when companies can't sell as many goods and lay of workers.
There is no conceivable benefit to increasing corporate taxation other than the ability to rabble rouse dumb people who hate corporations and can't think of consequences beyond those that directly affect their paycheck.
You guys miss the point because you're all on the socialist bandwagon.
Companies will do one of two things. They'll increase prices, or they'll cut costs. They certainly won't be expanding.
That's what the mindless unwashed masses of socialist dummies don't get. Going after those evil old corporations and squeezing more taxes from them isn't the kind of tax money you want. Corporate money goes towards expansion, R&D, etc... The rest goes to real people who are already being taxed like crazy.
You don't want EvilCo Incorporated to look at the balance sheets and decide to shutdown that plant in Alabama to keep their margins. You don't want them to cut R&D for Super Advanced Promisaid, the new cancer drug. That's all corporate taxation does.
If you want to get the "fat cats" (successful people you hate so much) just tax them directly.
It's not like Americans wanted cheap goods. It was all those evil fat cat corporations which rabble rousing scum like you seem to think exist outside of the American people who own them, run them, or are shareholders in them.
Over simplify much there, slick? Consumers will pay more. End of story. If you tax oil companies more, transportation goes up. Transportation goes up, prices on everything goes up. Prices on steel go up, prices on many things go up.
There are two choices and only two choices when rabble rousing starts about raising corporate taxes. People buy more foreign goods, or people pay even more for US goods. Period.
God I hate when people say "their fair share". First, rich people in America pay the majority of taxes. The much loved "hard working poor" pay pretty much no taxes.
Second, corporate tax is a scam. The money is still taxed, it's just stockholders and customers who pay it - twice or more.
Complaining about corporations not paying taxes is something dumb people do.
You subscribe to what's called a "stupid person" tax. Sure - tax all those "rich fat cats". See how they make their profit margins when you increase their cost of doing business.
Oooh, let's put a bunch of decayed or decaying economies or economies based on special circumstances (oil, other economic oddities) on a graph and try to prove something about the US which is _nothing_ like any of those countries! Fun with lies and half truths!
You would rather he go after corporations because you're rabble. Rabble love it when some populist politician "sticks it to the man", and "corporations" are the current boogie man.
The problem is that it doesn't matter if corporations make "billions of dollars". That money goes exactly one place: into a person's hands. That person pays taxes.
Corporate income tax is just another tax on stockholders, employees, and customers but dumb people love it because they think they're getting one over on "rich fat cats". Now tell me, who doesn't fall into one of those categories?
What you're saying is effectively "the defendent has a history of robbery and is therefore guilty of robbing the victim despite there being no evidence".
Circumstantial would be "the defendent was the only person seen in the vicinity of the victim, has no alibi, and was seen selling a product which looked identical to that which was stolen from the victim at a pawn shop 45 minutes later.
You have no evidence of malice, not even circumstantial. If a spec is badly developed there's a good chance a clean room implementation will not be interoperable with any other clean room implementation.
With a good spec, two programmers should be able to sit in separate rooms and never speak to eachother yet still interoperable code. With a bad spec, it's likely their code won't interoperate.
Simple. If you think Intel gets a lot of scrutiny now, wait to see what happened if AMD went out of business. 2 words: Price Controls. Socialists would be climbing out of the woodwork to say Intel's high margins are suddenly "too high".
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Of course. And when you go to Samsung, they then sue the manufacturer of the IC. It's a laughably silly idea, the only thing it will do is provide lots of work for lawyers.
Good point, but 100% backwards. This is an MS problem, or a customer problem. If MS suddenly decides you need a 3.0GHz processor to run Windows 7, is it Intel/AMD's fault that not all of their processors are 3.0GHz or faster?
It's a moot point anyway, this requirement will probably go away by RTM.
Fascism =/= Nazism.
You can certainly have a fascist state (of varying degrees) without the "toss people into ovens" aspects.
Best way to deal with assholes is ignore them or socially castigate them. Take the AC racist comments. Who gives a shit? They think they're shocking, but I'm not shocked at all - I'm bored by it. I've shit more shocking things. You'll find the same things if you play online games - little dweebs acting out who think it's shocking to say n*g*er over and over.
Just don't be shocked by it. Problem solved.
Yeah, you certainly have a right to be both of those kinds of assholes. What you're advocating is called "fascism".
It kind of is your constitutional right to be an asshole pretty much anywhere, for nonviolent, non-frauding, non-libel/slander, non-likely-to-cause-imminent-violence values of asshole.
Actually, had you asked Dean Baker this question in 2006, he would have showed you this graph [cepr.net], based on historical norms of housing values adjusted for inflation. I believe this would be called statistical analysis. Perhaps it's something you should look into.
Funny. If I wasn't too lazy I could find you 5 pieces of "statistical evidence" directly to the contrary of that article.
Regardless, if you're going to get all pissy how about you try to make it through this: http://www.tinbergen.nl/discussionpapers/07056.pdf
Corporations have the privilege of limited liability and funding through stock offerings. If they don't want to pay corporate tax rates, they can form business partnerships which don't offer these benefits, and don't require them to pay corporate tax rates. But you ain't even on my level. I'm going to let my homie Reagan ride on your bitch ass.
Like I give a shit about Reagan or he was a great thinker, first of all. More importantly Reagan didn't do shit. It rouses the rabble to talk about things like that, but in the end his great tax reform didn't do shit about corporate taxation (as we see now). It was smoke and mirrors. His handlers knew corporate taxation increases would be counter productive.
I know when a Democrat says the same thing it's socialist. As usual, modern right wing rhetoric is so blatantly hypocritical it's become a comedy.
Yeah, a swing and a miss. I find the right wing to be even more douchy than the left wing. I don't give a fuck about Reagan.
Oh, damn, I forgot. Military spending is a total waste of money. What are your plans for reducing that? It represents the largest slice of federal spending
Now what am I going to do when you just resort to blatant easily disproved lies? Even if you take fairly tight groupings it's second place. In reality it's smaller than a bunch of social programs in aggregate which could be done at the state level, done away with, or cleaned up.
Back to that "not right wing" thing, we could cut military spending anyway if we stop pretending we're the world's police. It could stay flat or adjust slightly down.
I know! If we invest in education or health care, it's just like lighting the bills on fire. Whereas every time a tax break is given to a company already profiting billions, another angel gets its wings.
You've bought into the fiction that a company can profit or that it's a person. It's not - even legally. It just has similar legal protections to those of a person. Regardless, taxes on a company come straight out of a real person's pocket. If you're taxed, it doesn't cost me money. That's the difference.
They have a majority of the country's wealth. Why shouldn't they pay a majority of it's taxes?
Did I say they shouldn't? They pay not only the majority but they pay a disproportionate majority of the taxes. I know in your socialist utopia you'll have 300,000,000 voters who don't pay any taxes and 20,000,000 voters who do.
Fortunately and unfortunately that will never happen - rich people are smarter than poor people and aren't going to let it happen. Sucks because that means our elections will continue to be bought and paid for, but nice because the rabble are too stupid to run the country.
It's adorable. Asking a corporation to pay it's fair share of taxes is "proletariat rage," and programs that help people like the Earned Income Tax Credit are socialist. So much for principles, huh?
Yes. Resting your whole argument on the lie that "corporations are people" is your problem. They're not. Even legally they're not. Thinking about how a corporation works for 5 minutes (better make it 10) will make it plain as day how increasing taxes on them, especially during a recessio
Corporations are not people. They have some legal protections similar to those of people. The "they're people" argument is not rational, it's just a quick point score in any anti-corporatist's arsenal.
Corporations are not sentient. They don't "enjoy" profits. If corporations were people, of course, the money they pay in taxes wouldn't directly come out of shareholder's and employee's pockets. Corporate income that isn't given to employees/shareholders is the most productive money in the economy.
Requesting "statistical evidence" is the last refuge of someone who can't reason. 2 years ago you could have asked 'what statistical reason do you have to believe the current housing/credit/overextension bubble will crash?'. It's a meaningless question.
Corporate tax is a scam. When corporations take in a profit, they do what with it? They invest it back into the company, they expand, they pay it out as a dividend, or they pay it to their workers. All but one of those directly benefit society. The last one gets taxed already. Those "fat cats" you rabble rousers love to harp on pay a shitload of taxes on that money already.
Effectively when you tax a corporation, you're taking money away from the entities most likely to create jobs and expand the economy, and you give it to the entity most proven to waste money. You are taking the absolutely most valuable money in the economy and destroying it.
I don't agree with whining about the "super rich" either, as they pay most of this country's tax burden, but at least that's not as absolutely destructive as going after corporations and large businesses.
So please, spend your proletariat rage on the rich people, not the corporations. Having a tax revenue highly susceptible to boom and bust cycles is a lesser evil than slowing down the cornerstone of the modern economy.
You must be new. The government never lowers taxes. They may shift the burden around, but in the end it hurts us all.
Shifting even more of the tax burden to the wealthy (they already pay majority of taxes in this country) just means your tax income is more susceptible to boom and bust cycles. See: California. Many other states.
You're still paying the tax anyway. You're just paying it on the products you buy. You're paying it when you lose your job because your employer's profit margins have shrunk and they need to downsize. A tax like this hits everyone.
Corporate income tax is a scam anyway, that's why nobody's done anything about it for so long - it's a bad idea. Tax it when it gets to a person. Corporations spend their "profit" expanding, providing jobs, and paying individuals who then pay taxes anyway.
Yeah, because slowing down buying is something a weak economy just craves. It just works wonders when companies can't sell as many goods and lay of workers.
There is no conceivable benefit to increasing corporate taxation other than the ability to rabble rouse dumb people who hate corporations and can't think of consequences beyond those that directly affect their paycheck.
You dirty fucking hippy anti-corporate types crack me up. You keep on sticking it to the man, you!
You guys miss the point because you're all on the socialist bandwagon.
Companies will do one of two things. They'll increase prices, or they'll cut costs. They certainly won't be expanding.
That's what the mindless unwashed masses of socialist dummies don't get. Going after those evil old corporations and squeezing more taxes from them isn't the kind of tax money you want. Corporate money goes towards expansion, R&D, etc... The rest goes to real people who are already being taxed like crazy.
You don't want EvilCo Incorporated to look at the balance sheets and decide to shutdown that plant in Alabama to keep their margins. You don't want them to cut R&D for Super Advanced Promisaid, the new cancer drug. That's all corporate taxation does.
If you want to get the "fat cats" (successful people you hate so much) just tax them directly.
Yeah, let's go full blown retard. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, baby!
Right. Nice rabble rousing.
It's not like Americans wanted cheap goods. It was all those evil fat cat corporations which rabble rousing scum like you seem to think exist outside of the American people who own them, run them, or are shareholders in them.
Over simplify much there, slick? Consumers will pay more. End of story. If you tax oil companies more, transportation goes up. Transportation goes up, prices on everything goes up. Prices on steel go up, prices on many things go up.
There are two choices and only two choices when rabble rousing starts about raising corporate taxes. People buy more foreign goods, or people pay even more for US goods. Period.
God I hate when people say "their fair share". First, rich people in America pay the majority of taxes. The much loved "hard working poor" pay pretty much no taxes.
Second, corporate tax is a scam. The money is still taxed, it's just stockholders and customers who pay it - twice or more.
Complaining about corporations not paying taxes is something dumb people do.
Whatever, hippy.
You subscribe to what's called a "stupid person" tax. Sure - tax all those "rich fat cats". See how they make their profit margins when you increase their cost of doing business.
Oooh, let's put a bunch of decayed or decaying economies or economies based on special circumstances (oil, other economic oddities) on a graph and try to prove something about the US which is _nothing_ like any of those countries! Fun with lies and half truths!
You would rather he go after corporations because you're rabble. Rabble love it when some populist politician "sticks it to the man", and "corporations" are the current boogie man.
The problem is that it doesn't matter if corporations make "billions of dollars". That money goes exactly one place: into a person's hands. That person pays taxes.
Corporate income tax is just another tax on stockholders, employees, and customers but dumb people love it because they think they're getting one over on "rich fat cats". Now tell me, who doesn't fall into one of those categories?
That's not circumstantial evidence.
What you're saying is effectively "the defendent has a history of robbery and is therefore guilty of robbing the victim despite there being no evidence".
Circumstantial would be "the defendent was the only person seen in the vicinity of the victim, has no alibi, and was seen selling a product which looked identical to that which was stolen from the victim at a pawn shop 45 minutes later.
You have no evidence of malice, not even circumstantial. If a spec is badly developed there's a good chance a clean room implementation will not be interoperable with any other clean room implementation.
With a good spec, two programmers should be able to sit in separate rooms and never speak to eachother yet still interoperable code. With a bad spec, it's likely their code won't interoperate.
Yeah. Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. CygWin invested several years into implementing various UNIXisms, not basic POSIX support.
Win32 does not support fork(). Win32, however, is not the only API Windows NT (and later) OS's support.
Yeah, I didn't think you had any evidence, liar.
Simple. If you think Intel gets a lot of scrutiny now, wait to see what happened if AMD went out of business. 2 words: Price Controls. Socialists would be climbing out of the woodwork to say Intel's high margins are suddenly "too high".