Ok, so iPad isn't even out yet, but google still feels threatened enough to put out a hastly put together "concept art" as a "demo". Sheesh.
One thing everyone seems to have missed about the iPad announcement is the fact that apple will have iWorks on it for $30. This has two implications: 1. Nobody else will write a full on office app for iPad. 2. Nobody will write a full office app for any other touch tablet.
Chew on that for a while.
Wrong on both counts. Well #1 is kind of true, but that's only because Apple bans competing applications. #2 is just plain wrong, because the full Office 2007 runs on touch tablets.
You've completely missed the point that Apple is a hardware company, whereas MS is a software company. Of course MS doesn't try to lock you out of "their devices" since the devices aren't MS's in the first place. You can "install anything you want" on OS X, and there are plenty of other phones that are locked down--heck, my Motorola phones were MORE locked down than any iPhone, since there was no way to install software except OTA.
How's the weather up there in Redmond, anyway?
If Apple is a hardware company what do they have to gain from banning Opera, Firefox, Chrome and political apps that Steve doesn't like from the iPhone and iPad? It's all about control and that nice 30% forcible cut of every non free app.
We're talking about the iPad too, which is being hailed as a tablet computer, not phone. The point is that MS could've locked developers out of MS-DOS and Windows by banning competing applications and those that 'duplicate functionality' or leeched off them by forcibly taking 30% of cost of AutoCAD etc.
It's funny you call him a paid shill while being ready to whore for free.
Isn't that a good thing for the non tech savvy people(the vast majority) that run Windows? Running vulnerable versions for days instead of rebooting is not good.
The dialog box you're talking about comes when you kill a critical server or via the 'shutdown' or 'shutdown -r' command in an elevated prompt. Anyway, it's better that it automagically shuts down, so that people dont' simply reboot and continue working, the less unsupported vulnerable OSes in the wild, the better for us.
Well, atleast the Apple bashing has some legitimacy... no multitasking and no political or offensive apps, whereas this post is devoid of any juicy bashing material.
If you're not going to read the article, at least glance at the summary:
Starting on Feb. 15, Windows 7 RC will display notices every few hours that the machine will periodically shut down beginning on March 1
So, you get a 15 day advance warning for the impending shutdowns. Also, Microsoft has mentioned earlier, on several occasions, that this was eventually going to happen with the RC version. It's only fair: you can try it for free, but you have to pay to keep using it. Not different from any other nagware.
Not only that, it's not regular shareware or trialware, it was specifically aimed at tech savvy tinkerers that fiddle with OS installs most of who already must have moved on to the RTM, Ubuntu or XP. Hence it's not like it's being sprung as a surprise.
The point is that it's about as newsworthy as 'water is wet'. If MS doesn't let the copies expire... we'll see a headline here shouting "OMG M$ ALLOWS VULNERABLE WINDOWS COPIES TO KEEP WORKING", since RC doesn't get updates. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Let me guess, you're new to Slashdot? This site is not news for nerds, it's news for anti-'M$' nerds. You won't see a story here about Windows 7 increasing Microsoft revenue. Just plain FUD and negative articles about MS abound on here.
The huge success of Windows 7 helped Microsoft romp to $19bn of revenue for the quarter, earning $6.6bn in profit. It was a record three months for Windows sales, with a whopping 60 million Windows 7 licences shifted.
I know this is Slashdot and all, but I've been running Windows 7 right from the public beta, through RC and final, and it never once bluescreened on me and all shutdowns were for updates or manual restarts.
Hey, it's our M$ bashing article of the day, I've been waiting all day for a nice 'M$' bash post full of venom and vitriole, please don't rain on the parade! LOL M$ SUX!
True, the warning will start Feb 15h, and Microsoft doesn't release security updates for the Windows 7 RC code, so we're ALL better off to see these machines change to a different OS. The previews of Windows 7 were aimed at a tech savvy audience and hence I do not see any issue... except typical Slashdot "LOL M$ SUX WHATEVER IT DOES" bullshit.
I have no vested interest in either side per se, but having read the E-Mails from the Linux Kernel mailing list (which evidently makes one of us) I tend to agree with the side I just identified.
What you are linking to is NOT a virus, but a malware that user has to download, authenticate themselves as someone allowed to install software and install it.
If you have a user willing to do that, then all bets are off.
The original assertion still stands though. No viruses (i.e. self propagating code that spreads from machine to machine without user intervention). There aren't any for OS X and I'm not aware of any for Linux/BSD etc either.
When did the last "virus" according to your definition, hit Windows? XP SP2 turned on the firewall by default and Outlook stopped opening attachments automatically. I would like to see a reference to a
recent "self propagating code that spreads from machine to machine without user intervention" for Windows that was successful.
Err huh why? Under Vista/7 with IE 8, they can't even get out of DEP or the sandbox. Forget about getting to logged in user access and then admin to install a root kit.
It's interesting that many of these(like the image exploits) can be triggered by just browsing to a website(like the IE6/Google/China fiasco) or by mp4 audio/video files. Where are all the 'LOL M$ can't code' posters here?
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Ok, so iPad isn't even out yet, but google still feels threatened enough to put out a hastly put together "concept art" as a "demo". Sheesh.
One thing everyone seems to have missed about the iPad announcement is the fact that apple will have iWorks on it for $30. This has two implications:
1. Nobody else will write a full on office app for iPad.
2. Nobody will write a full office app for any other touch tablet.
Chew on that for a while.
Wrong on both counts. Well #1 is kind of true, but that's only because Apple bans competing applications. #2 is just plain wrong, because the full Office 2007 runs on touch tablets.
You've completely missed the point that Apple is a hardware company, whereas MS is a software company. Of course MS doesn't try to lock you out of "their devices" since the devices aren't MS's in the first place. You can "install anything you want" on OS X, and there are plenty of other phones that are locked down--heck, my Motorola phones were MORE locked down than any iPhone, since there was no way to install software except OTA.
How's the weather up there in Redmond, anyway?
If Apple is a hardware company what do they have to gain from banning Opera, Firefox, Chrome and political apps that Steve doesn't like from the iPhone and iPad? It's all about control and that nice 30% forcible cut of every non free app.
We're talking about the iPad too, which is being hailed as a tablet computer, not phone. The point is that MS could've locked developers out of MS-DOS and Windows by banning competing applications and those that 'duplicate functionality' or leeched off them by forcibly taking 30% of cost of AutoCAD etc.
It's funny you call him a paid shill while being ready to whore for free.
Seriously?
Hey, Paint has a ribbon interface now! That alone is worth top dollar! : )
I have enough karma, I don't care, interesting to see the ostrich mentality of the modder though. "Oh no, some pro MS text, let me bury it quick.".
Isn't that a good thing for the non tech savvy people(the vast majority) that run Windows? Running vulnerable versions for days instead of rebooting is not good.
Erm.. the OS will clearly say 'Evaluation Copy' on the right. See http://www.istartedsomething.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/windows7rc_large.jpg
The dialog box you're talking about comes when you kill a critical server or via the 'shutdown' or 'shutdown -r' command in an elevated prompt. Anyway, it's better that it automagically shuts down, so that people dont' simply reboot and continue working, the less unsupported vulnerable OSes in the wild, the better for us.
Well, atleast the Apple bashing has some legitimacy... no multitasking and no political or offensive apps, whereas this post is devoid of any juicy bashing material.
If you're not going to read the article, at least glance at the summary:
So, you get a 15 day advance warning for the impending shutdowns. Also, Microsoft has mentioned earlier, on several occasions, that this was eventually going to happen with the RC version. It's only fair: you can try it for free, but you have to pay to keep using it. Not different from any other nagware.
Not only that, it's not regular shareware or trialware, it was specifically aimed at tech savvy tinkerers that fiddle with OS installs most of who already must have moved on to the RTM, Ubuntu or XP. Hence it's not like it's being sprung as a surprise.
If you could update from the RC to the final I would.
It was explicitly stated during the RC process that it may not be upgradeable to the final version. Anyway, I have updated it and it works fine for me and most. Here's how http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3075/how-to-upgrade-the-windows-7-rc-to-rtm/
Backup everything and try it before a fresh install.
Since the RC doesn't get any updates, less vulnerable boxes in the wild is always good for all of us. Why is this being spun as a bad thing?
The point is that it's about as newsworthy as 'water is wet'. If MS doesn't let the copies expire... we'll see a headline here shouting "OMG M$ ALLOWS VULNERABLE WINDOWS COPIES TO KEEP WORKING", since RC doesn't get updates. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Let me guess, you're new to Slashdot? This site is not news for nerds, it's news for anti-'M$' nerds. You won't see a story here about Windows 7 increasing Microsoft revenue. Just plain FUD and negative articles about MS abound on here.
The huge success of Windows 7 helped Microsoft romp to $19bn of revenue for the quarter, earning $6.6bn in profit. It was a record three months for Windows sales, with a whopping 60 million Windows 7 licences shifted.
I know this is Slashdot and all, but I've been running Windows 7 right from the public beta, through RC and final, and it never once bluescreened on me and all shutdowns were for updates or manual restarts.
Hey, it's our M$ bashing article of the day, I've been waiting all day for a nice 'M$' bash post full of venom and vitriole, please don't rain on the parade! LOL M$ SUX!
True, the warning will start Feb 15h, and Microsoft doesn't release security updates for the Windows 7 RC code, so we're ALL better off to see these machines change to a different OS. The previews of Windows 7 were aimed at a tech savvy audience and hence I do not see any issue... except typical Slashdot "LOL M$ SUX WHATEVER IT DOES" bullshit.
It has nothing to do with speed... /. does a port scan when u do a preview....
I have no vested interest in either side per se, but having read the E-Mails from the Linux Kernel mailing list (which evidently makes one of us) I tend to agree with the side I just identified.
Maybe read this then:
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=257075&cid=20028005
What you are linking to is NOT a virus, but a malware that user has to download, authenticate themselves as someone allowed to install software and install it.
If you have a user willing to do that, then all bets are off.
The original assertion still stands though. No viruses (i.e. self propagating code that spreads from machine to machine without user intervention). There aren't any for OS X and I'm not aware of any for Linux/BSD etc either.
When did the last "virus" according to your definition, hit Windows? XP SP2 turned on the firewall by default and Outlook stopped opening attachments automatically. I would like to see a reference to a
recent "self propagating code that spreads from machine to machine without user intervention" for Windows that was successful.
Yes, my point about IIS vs Apache wasn't that there were more attacks against IIS, just that there are documented and exploited holes.
Err no. Apache/PHP has more than it's share of exploits whereas IIS6 or IIS7 barely have any.
Err huh why? Under Vista/7 with IE 8, they can't even get out of DEP or the sandbox. Forget about getting to logged in user access and then admin to install a root kit.
Link?
It's interesting that many of these(like the image exploits) can be triggered by just browsing to a website(like the IE6/Google/China fiasco) or by mp4 audio/video files. Where are all the 'LOL M$ can't code' posters here?
Yet Linus reaction was to create his own kernel.
While Kolivas reaction was to give up kernel development.
Wrong .He still does kernel development, with his own patches, just like Linus made his own kernel.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/06/0433209/Con-Kolivas-Returns-With-a-Desktop-Oriented-Linux-Scheduler?from=rss
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt