I find it interesting that as a "fundi" or what I prefer to be called a "Messianic Christian", I am free to study the Bible and science and use my entire education to further my knowledge of the universe we live in.
As a scientist this is wonderful because I don't have to limit the scope of what I believe to what some professor believes or some preacher!!!
I use to compromises saying God and evolution could coexist; though, ironically the more I tried to prove it the more scientific holes I found in the theory of evolution and I could not disprove the Bible. I could find many people that said the Bible was wrong here and there; though, when I checked it out those people where wrong because new archeological evidence proved the Bible correct!!!
As a matter of fact, I started studying Bible prophecy and found out it is the only religion that tells the history of man from beginning to end and so far nothing has been disproved.
In fact, there are countless prophesies that are statistically impossible to be coincidence that have come true in the order that they are prophesied!!! It even gets better, there are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament alone about Jesus Christ that 100 percent came true that were written, according to archeological evidence, hundreds of years before He lived!!!
As a mathematician I find this absolutely astounding, and there's more, hundreds more that have all been verified by archeology!!!
So when you say there is no proof for the Bible you are actually showing your ignorance of the subject matter, do your home work and you will be amazed!!!
Oh yeah, never mind because you cannot study the Bible because your educational system says no because they will disprove it given enough time.
Actually Dr Russell Humphreys postulated a 6 day creation with a young earth and 15 billion year old universe on the fringes that has not been refuted in over 10 years.
He has been challenged by other leading scientists and never been proven wrong, he offered to defend his theory in front of 500 of the worlds leading scientists at a conference and his opponent backed out, his opposition has backed out several times!!!
Yeah, unfortunately you will not find agreement in the scientific community that this is actual proof, only a nice story that sounds plausible!!!
Just like the big-bang theory, the math model works just like other math models we know work mathematically and are refuted by observable evidence!!!
When I studied Physics in college I had to build a math model of a 10 pole system, the math model worked!!! Experimentally I could only prove a dipole system that actually refuted the 10 pole system!!!
A theory does not make truth, you need evidence to back it up, and evolution dose not only not have evidence it is built on a house of cards!!!
There is a big difference between science fiction and science fact!!!
What irony, so-called scientists are supposedly smart enough to falsify the "theory of evolution"; yet they don't and they are to stupid to falsify things like irreducible design or irreducible complexity?
Wow, that is just mind boggling at how they can be "selectively intelligent" when it suits their purpose, sounds more like politics than science!!!
Actually there are many scientists that are disappointed in the current state of "selective science" that ignores all scientific evidence that the Bible is true!!!
What is this philosophy 101, arnt there any real scientists out there that can defend evolution with something more than philosophy.
I believe in God, that He crated the universe as He said He did and we live on a young earth.
This forum is like the universities, if they are afraid of what you are saying they hide it and don't mod it up!!!
Secular scientists where is your champion, the one who will debate science, not philosophy or the Bible!!!
Frankly Brother,
Us Christians have a lot more to stand on than you believe.
Check out the book "in six days why fifty scientists choose to believe in creation"
These guys are heavy hitters in the scientific community and blow huge scientific holes in the scular religion of evolution.
God bless you and keep you.
After reading through many of the posts here I feel like I am back in collage studying liberal arts!!! For a bunch of supposedly "scientific minded people" you sure do argue politics and philosophy a lot.
For example:
I hear people saying ID is just a belief system with no scientific backing, wrong!!!
I hear people saying evolution is a proven fact; FACT IS, in 140 years there is not one shred of evidence of a single species evolving into a NEW species!!! Darwin would be disappointed in the current state of affairs because he expected the fossil record to show the transition and in 140 years we don't have a single fossil that proves transition!!!
Where are the scientific discussions to back up what people are saying, I can't find any.
I also find it interesting that the PhD's that are proposing ID are chomping at the bit to go to the black board and put it all on the line; you know, real scientific discussions using real numbers and facts, and the secular scientists are running scared using lame excuses why they cannot participate.
I personally have had my fill of these message boards filled with professional debaters that never prove things one way or the other, facts are facts, and I want to see the real thing, a cage match between the ID scientists and the secular scientists.
Our universities are a joke when it comes to perusing the truth, we qualify what the truth is, discoveries that contradict evolution, an old earth or anything else that gives the Bible credibility are immediately discarded and ignored. Scientists have been given the answer to there question before they start their research, this is not science.
We keep hearing, it is common sense and we just need that one break thru and we will have the answer!!! Unfortunately the answer might be wrong; which means, the break thru ant going to happen!!!
Carl Sagan applied his belief in Hinduism and his formal education to convince us to spend billions of dollars monitoring the universe for some background noise that would prove the universe is expanding at a rate that is physically impossible, let alone his total contradiction of the Law's of Thermodynamics. I can't believe all the "scientists" that bought that load of manure.
I could go on an on and on, bring on the scientific discussion and stop poo pooing the ID scientists. Do the research; you will be amazed at how much scientific research has gone into ID and how many of the worlds most educated scientists are behind it.
Secular scientists where is your champion, send out your uncircumcised philistine!!!
Exodus 31:18 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."
The literal context of "Yowm" in Exodus 20:11 is a 24 hour day.
Quote: "We do not know for certain, how long the days of creation were. Moses never specified if they were 24 hour days or not."
Your problem is not with Moses, it is with God because He wrote it with His own finger:
Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
God said six days plain and simple, six days as understood by Moses at the time of the Exodus from Egypt.
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I find it interesting that as a "fundi" or what I prefer to be called a "Messianic Christian", I am free to study the Bible and science and use my entire education to further my knowledge of the universe we live in.
As a scientist this is wonderful because I don't have to limit the scope of what I believe to what some professor believes or some preacher!!!
I use to compromises saying God and evolution could coexist; though, ironically the more I tried to prove it the more scientific holes I found in the theory of evolution and I could not disprove the Bible. I could find many people that said the Bible was wrong here and there; though, when I checked it out those people where wrong because new archeological evidence proved the Bible correct!!!
As a matter of fact, I started studying Bible prophecy and found out it is the only religion that tells the history of man from beginning to end and so far nothing has been disproved.
In fact, there are countless prophesies that are statistically impossible to be coincidence that have come true in the order that they are prophesied!!! It even gets better, there are over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament alone about Jesus Christ that 100 percent came true that were written, according to archeological evidence, hundreds of years before He lived!!!
As a mathematician I find this absolutely astounding, and there's more, hundreds more that have all been verified by archeology!!!
So when you say there is no proof for the Bible you are actually showing your ignorance of the subject matter, do your home work and you will be amazed!!!
Oh yeah, never mind because you cannot study the Bible because your educational system says no because they will disprove it given enough time.
Actually Dr Russell Humphreys postulated a 6 day creation with a young earth and 15 billion year old universe on the fringes that has not been refuted in over 10 years.
He has been challenged by other leading scientists and never been proven wrong, he offered to defend his theory in front of 500 of the worlds leading scientists at a conference and his opponent backed out, his opposition has backed out several times!!!
Actually, every time good science proves something the Bible is justified and poven correct!!!
Yeah, unfortunately you will not find agreement in the scientific community that this is actual proof, only a nice story that sounds plausible!!!
Just like the big-bang theory, the math model works just like other math models we know work mathematically and are refuted by observable evidence!!!
When I studied Physics in college I had to build a math model of a 10 pole system, the math model worked!!! Experimentally I could only prove a dipole system that actually refuted the 10 pole system!!!
A theory does not make truth, you need evidence to back it up, and evolution dose not only not have evidence it is built on a house of cards!!!
There is a big difference between science fiction and science fact!!!
Actually, if it cannot be falsified then it is looking pretty solid!!!
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You make my case, thank you
What irony, so-called scientists are supposedly smart enough to falsify the "theory of evolution"; yet they don't and they are to stupid to falsify things like irreducible design or irreducible complexity?
Wow, that is just mind boggling at how they can be "selectively intelligent" when it suits their purpose, sounds more like politics than science!!!
Yeah, it's called free will, something our current educational system discourages!!!
Yeah, unfortunately all observed mutations of DNA are considered a disease because the mutations are always from order to disorder!!!
It also doesn't make it true!!!
Yes, though we can prove evolution using circular reasoning!!!
Actually there are many scientists that are disappointed in the current state of "selective science" that ignores all scientific evidence that the Bible is true!!!
Actually, the more you know about science the easier it is to understand the Bible!!!
BTW - Science that contridicts the laws of science is not science; for example, The theory of evolution contridicts the Laws of Thermodynamics!!!
"there was a long and craggy road up from primate to proto-human to human, that the fossil record (or, hard evidence) supports"
Hard Evidence? You should publish said evidence and become rich and famous LOL
What is this philosophy 101, arnt there any real scientists out there that can defend evolution with something more than philosophy. I believe in God, that He crated the universe as He said He did and we live on a young earth. This forum is like the universities, if they are afraid of what you are saying they hide it and don't mod it up!!! Secular scientists where is your champion, the one who will debate science, not philosophy or the Bible!!!
Frankly Brother, Us Christians have a lot more to stand on than you believe. Check out the book "in six days why fifty scientists choose to believe in creation" These guys are heavy hitters in the scientific community and blow huge scientific holes in the scular religion of evolution. God bless you and keep you.
"There are many facets to evolution and the study of DNA and how it mutates, etc., is only part of it."
BTW - DNA mutation is called a disease!!!
After reading through many of the posts here I feel like I am back in collage studying liberal arts!!! For a bunch of supposedly "scientific minded people" you sure do argue politics and philosophy a lot.
For example:
I hear people saying ID is just a belief system with no scientific backing, wrong!!!
I hear people saying evolution is a proven fact; FACT IS, in 140 years there is not one shred of evidence of a single species evolving into a NEW species!!! Darwin would be disappointed in the current state of affairs because he expected the fossil record to show the transition and in 140 years we don't have a single fossil that proves transition!!!
Where are the scientific discussions to back up what people are saying, I can't find any.
I also find it interesting that the PhD's that are proposing ID are chomping at the bit to go to the black board and put it all on the line; you know, real scientific discussions using real numbers and facts, and the secular scientists are running scared using lame excuses why they cannot participate.
I personally have had my fill of these message boards filled with professional debaters that never prove things one way or the other, facts are facts, and I want to see the real thing, a cage match between the ID scientists and the secular scientists.
Our universities are a joke when it comes to perusing the truth, we qualify what the truth is, discoveries that contradict evolution, an old earth or anything else that gives the Bible credibility are immediately discarded and ignored. Scientists have been given the answer to there question before they start their research, this is not science.
We keep hearing, it is common sense and we just need that one break thru and we will have the answer!!! Unfortunately the answer might be wrong; which means, the break thru ant going to happen!!!
Carl Sagan applied his belief in Hinduism and his formal education to convince us to spend billions of dollars monitoring the universe for some background noise that would prove the universe is expanding at a rate that is physically impossible, let alone his total contradiction of the Law's of Thermodynamics. I can't believe all the "scientists" that bought that load of manure.
I could go on an on and on, bring on the scientific discussion and stop poo pooing the ID scientists. Do the research; you will be amazed at how much scientific research has gone into ID and how many of the worlds most educated scientists are behind it.
Secular scientists where is your champion, send out your uncircumcised philistine!!!
Exodus 31:18
"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."
The literal context of "Yowm" in Exodus 20:11 is a 24 hour day.
God bless you and keep you.
Brother:
Quote: "We do not know for certain, how long the days of creation were. Moses never specified if they were 24 hour days or not."
Your problem is not with Moses, it is with God because He wrote it with His own finger:
Exodus 20:11
"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
God said six days plain and simple, six days as understood by Moses at the time of the Exodus from Egypt.
God bless you and keep you