>- The same Steve Jobs that, when kicked out of Apple, started his own company. A company that built an excellent product with top notch (custom, 68K based) hardware and ahead-of-its-time (custom) software.
Just keep in mind that businee partner Canon took a bath with NeXT, and H. Ross Perot called the 30+million HE put into NeXT "his biggest mistake".
And, around this timeframe, Steve Jobs went to Seybold 1986 and said "Publishing is an interum market for Apple, and will be gone for Apple in 2 years."
Dragon - Was going to make a version, and is a no-show. And, accoring to one of the macsurfer linked web sites, the IBM product isn't REALLY continus speech. IBM however says Understands simple, natural, continuous speech
And the other player, L&H is a no-show on the mac. The MacTalk people who were going to have a product like a year ago, to the best of my knowledge have not shipped.
The people who read/respond here are mostly *NOT* users of windows.
And if you want a SPECIFIC application, say a vertical market package, or Dragon's speech, or a telephony app, you end up getting Windows as part of the bargin, because there are no BSD (Apple PPC or Intel) versions. You look for the application you want....the OS is not a consideration
The last public release of Mac OS X server that ran on Intel hardware was a developer release of Rhapsody. It is possible Apple has the other version alive, but if it is alive it the work of individual engineers in whatever spare time they have.
Apple then re-named Rhapsody to Mac OS X server and broke the WWDC 1997 promise of:
1) The next generation of OS from Apple would run on both PPC and Intel.
2) The next generation of OS from Apple would run on any machine sold by Apple in 1997.
Apple claims Mac OS X isn't Rhapsody, yet if you type in uname -a, the OS thinks it is Rhapsody.
And BSD licenced files are copywrited, yet they can be transfered.
It depends on the LICENCE for the data contained in the file.
The only way Napster/MP3/piracy of M$ software will stop/be driven underground is if they actually take the time to sue actual pirates. And not just the 'big ones'...people who have 10 MP3's that are not legal.
(In the US this is not very practical, because the legal system is not 'loser pays winners legal bills')
What is stopping the commander in chief from ordering the big toys out to play? What is stopping anyone from going to the armory and grabbing the big toys? What is stopping the boy with the toy from pointing it at his buddies, rather than downrange? What is stopping the makers of the toys from planting 'software bugs'?
The only reason anyone is caring here is digital is seen as invisible...hard to track.
The US Military has wanted smarter toys so they can use lesser trained people. The 'threat' expressed in the article is part of the trade off they accepted when they signed the contract.
What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?
Steve Jobs goes to Moto headquarters, yanks the Mac clones and says 'it will be great in 2 years when Apple won't be needing YOU'.
Then, when Moto develops the PPC at their *OWN* pace, the Mac whiners come out of the woodwork and blame Moto, yet it is Mr. Jobs who caused Moto to loose Millions when he pulled Mac OS 8 support for Mac Clones and Mr. Jobs, who said 'we don't want you as a vendor'.
If *YOU* were at Moto, would *YOU* give a damn about Apple? Apple didn't care about you....why should you care about Apple?
Motorola is doing JUST fine. Its APPLE who: Dumped the Intel version of Mac OS X so they CAN'T make a credible threat to Motorola. Screwed Motorola WRT to clones. Walked into Motorola HQ and said 'we don't want you as a vendor'
Lay blame where the blame is do: Jobs. Motorola is just reacting to the way Jobs manages.
[lays out a token ring of protection] I invoke thee-dark daemons of licence-debate! Brett Glass Brett Glass Brett Glass I summon thee to smite the GPL promoters! These GPL minded folk think the GPL is about freedom! Show them your might, prove you are right! Smite them with your words of taking work and money with the GPL! Sway them to the idea of how a BSD licence allows ALL to benefit from the code!
In short, give them the pointy end of your forking process!
>MS has a history of embracing *new* technologies.
Yea, that is why the calls in MS-DOS look like CP/M and Dave Cutler says that "NT is the chance to do VMS right".
Or Microsoft said "NT 3.1 will be a better Unix than Unix"
Or how Microsoft admitted that they took the Windows idea from Apple, but because Apple was sloppy with the contract to M$, they ended up loosing in court/settling out of court for the $150 million dollar payment in 1997.
So as you can see, Apple has no problem 'getting' the concept of OpenSource.
Apple STILL sees themselves as a hardware company and not a software company. (they look at where the money comes from) And if the latest rumblings out of the Apple rumor mill are to be believed: 1) 2+ years ago Jobs went to Moto and said 'it will be great in 2 years when we aren't using you as a supplier' (fact) 2) Apple backed down...they never DID carry through with the Rhapsody on Intel project. (fact) 3) Rumor site claimes "t Steve Jobs himself has met with Motorola executives and hit them with both barrels recently" (rumor) 4) "Apple in talks with Wintel vendors regarding OS X for Intel?! " (rumor) Is that the 'both barrels'?
It is possible Apple might just see themselves as a software company that HAPPENS to sell hardware, and make alot of money there. Parts of Apple grok what they do, and the world they live in. The question to be answered yet is: Does Steve Jobs and his management understand and be able to execute?
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>It's a great shame that Judge Jackson has decided against Microsoft's offer of a settlement,
Do you know the terms of this offered settlement?
If you don't they why can you say the rejection of the settlement is a shame?
For all any of us know, the terms offered were $5 payment to the FSF, and a promise to not do it again.
>- The same Steve Jobs that, when kicked out of Apple, started his own company. A company that built an excellent product with top notch (custom, 68K based) hardware and ahead-of-its-time (custom) software.
Just keep in mind that businee partner Canon took a bath with NeXT, and H. Ross Perot called the 30+million HE put into NeXT "his biggest mistake".
And, around this timeframe, Steve Jobs went to Seybold 1986 and said "Publishing is an interum market for Apple, and will be gone for Apple in 2 years."
So Jobs doesn't always get it right...does he?
YellowBox was ALSO the name for the next-generation programming environment. This environment is now ALSO called Cocca.
Can you buy Cocca for Intel?
Dragon - Was going to make a version, and is a no-show. And, accoring to one of the macsurfer linked web sites, the IBM product isn't REALLY continus speech.
IBM however says
Understands simple, natural, continuous speech
And the other player, L&H is a no-show on the mac. The MacTalk people who were going to have a product like a year ago, to the best of my knowledge have not shipped.
Continous Speech Voice Rec.
Updated OCR
And I forgot the other promise....YellowBox for Intel
This question on /. is kinda meaningless.
The people who read/respond here are mostly *NOT* users of windows.
And if you want a SPECIFIC application, say a vertical market package, or Dragon's speech, or a telephony app, you end up getting Windows as part of the bargin, because there are no BSD (Apple PPC or Intel) versions. You look for the application you want....the OS is not a consideration
Apple then re-named Rhapsody to Mac OS X server and broke the WWDC 1997 promise of:
1) The next generation of OS from Apple would run on both PPC and Intel.
2) The next generation of OS from Apple would run on any machine sold by Apple in 1997.
Apple claims Mac OS X isn't Rhapsody, yet if you type in uname -a, the OS thinks it is Rhapsody.
Users, sure.
But the VAR crowd who used SCO were approached.
How many remember:
Windows NT 3.1 will be a better Unix than Unix?
How that same maketing material was saying the idea of having a big sever serving you graphics (like X) was dead due to PC's?
And, how having the graphics outside the kernel would add stability to NT?
Anyone have some of this old add copy?
It is nice to know that such informed knowledge makes the backbone of the /. community.
And it is sad to see this at only a 2.
/.
This by far is one of the better tech lists of what needs to be done to keep the birds flying that has appeared on
Why has no one who claims
The artists don't get paid
Record companies are vultures
(blah blah blah)
advocating sending the artist(s) money directly?
How would the debate change if you sent the artist a check for a buck? Or the full $15? Would they cash it?
Silly you. It is not WRONG to transfer files.
And BSD licenced files are copywrited, yet they can be transfered.
It depends on the LICENCE for the data contained in the file.
The only way Napster/MP3/piracy of M$ software will stop/be driven underground is if they actually take the time to sue actual pirates. And not just the 'big ones'...people who have 10 MP3's that are not legal.
(In the US this is not very practical, because the legal system is not 'loser pays winners legal bills')
Misson to Mars is a fine example of what should be stifiled.
(I'm betting any re-make with action figures would be better)
> like corporate America, is starting to have trouble finding people able to run the things they need run.
They are having trouble finding people at the wages they want to pay. Its not 'they are having trouble finding people.'
What is stopping the commander in chief from ordering the big toys out to play?
What is stopping anyone from going to the armory and grabbing the big toys?
What is stopping the boy with the toy from pointing it at his buddies, rather than downrange?
What is stopping the makers of the toys from planting 'software bugs'?
The only reason anyone is caring here is digital is seen as invisible...hard to track.
The US Military has wanted smarter toys so they can use lesser trained people. The 'threat' expressed in the article is part of the trade off they accepted when they signed the contract.
Perhaps the military contractors need more money?
Ok, so then how is a design patent by Sun for RAM to mate with their systems any different?
Its ment to be a lock.
All it takes is people to use it.
/. is your source for news....validates that BSD is already there.
Don't believe it? Go here and do a find on dreamcast.
Or, if
How can you lock your hardware so people can't make clones. Patent it.
Look at Nintendo. They have patented this connector to keep people from making connectors.
Sun has done the same to keep people from making memory modules. And is using the courts to prevent just anyone from making memory for thier hardware.
Lets say I followed this matter, because it mattered alot to my pocketbook.
What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?
Steve Jobs goes to Moto headquarters, yanks the Mac clones and says 'it will be great in 2 years when Apple won't be needing YOU'.
Then, when Moto develops the PPC at their *OWN* pace, the Mac whiners come out of the woodwork and blame Moto, yet it is Mr. Jobs who caused Moto to loose Millions when he pulled Mac OS 8 support for Mac Clones and Mr. Jobs, who said 'we don't want you as a vendor'.
If *YOU* were at Moto, would *YOU* give a damn about Apple? Apple didn't care about you....why should you care about Apple?
Motorola is doing JUST fine. Its APPLE who:
Dumped the Intel version of Mac OS X so they CAN'T make a credible threat to Motorola.
Screwed Motorola WRT to clones.
Walked into Motorola HQ and said 'we don't want you as a vendor'
Lay blame where the blame is do: Jobs. Motorola is just reacting to the way Jobs manages.
Oh, you want a flame war?
[lays out a token ring of protection]
I invoke thee-dark daemons of licence-debate!
Brett Glass
Brett Glass
Brett Glass
I summon thee to smite the GPL promoters! These GPL minded folk think the GPL is about freedom! Show them your might, prove you are right!
Smite them with your words of taking work and money with the GPL! Sway them to the idea of how a BSD licence allows ALL to benefit from the code!
In short, give them the pointy end of your forking process!
>MS has a history of embracing *new* technologies.
Yea, that is why the calls in MS-DOS look like CP/M and Dave Cutler says that "NT is the chance to do VMS right".
Or Microsoft said "NT 3.1 will be a better Unix than Unix"
Or how Microsoft admitted that they took the Windows idea from Apple, but because Apple was sloppy with the contract to M$, they ended up loosing in court/settling out of court for the $150 million dollar payment in 1997.
Right, all that NEW technology.
This is not some kind of 'grand enlightment' here people.
Fred on the developers page
Apple joining BSD
So as you can see, Apple has no problem 'getting' the concept of OpenSource.
Apple STILL sees themselves as a hardware company and not a software company. (they look at where the money comes from) And if the latest rumblings out of the Apple rumor mill are to be believed:
1) 2+ years ago Jobs went to Moto and said 'it will be great in 2 years when we aren't using you as a supplier' (fact)
2) Apple backed down...they never DID carry through with the Rhapsody on Intel project. (fact)
3) Rumor site claimes "t Steve Jobs himself has met with Motorola executives and hit them with both barrels recently" (rumor)
4) "Apple in talks with Wintel vendors regarding OS X for Intel?! " (rumor) Is that the 'both barrels'?
It is possible Apple might just see themselves as a software company that HAPPENS to sell hardware, and make alot of money there. Parts of Apple grok what they do, and the world they live in. The question to be answered yet is: Does Steve Jobs and his management understand and be able to execute?