What a god damn stupid example. Do you broadcast your friggin personal documents in plain text over the internet? That'd be almost as dumb as phoning random people and reading your income tax statements over the phone. If you don't like these companies storing the data that you knowingly, and intentionally, submit to their own servers, well then, don't do it!!! Don't use search engines and you don't have to worry about it, right? The 4th amendment doesn't apply when you intentionally give your personal information to third parties under the pre-text that they are allowed to store it (have you even bothered to read the privacy policies of any of the online services you use????).
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Really? Please point out which law, and more specifically, which paragraphs and sections of that law that state that when you utilize another entity's servers for personal gain(to find information), they are not allowed to retain the data. I'll be waiting...
Are you a moron or can you not read? AOL's own god damn legal department wrote up a friggin privacy policy, available to subscribers and non-subscribers alike, that AOL is storing these logs.
Your AOL Member information consists of personally identifiable information collected or received about you when you interact with the AOL Service, including AOL sites and pages, services, and software (collectively AOL Service "offerings"). Depending on how you use the AOL Service, your AOL Member information may include:
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Information about the searches you perform through the AOL Service and how you use the results of those searches;
Your AOL Member information may also include certain technical and diagnostic information gathered or received when you use the AOL Service. Some of the technical information that may be collected or received includes: the type of browser you are using (e.g., Netscape, AOL Explorer), the type of operating system you are using (e.g., Windows XP or Mac OS), CPU type (e.g. Pentium), the manner in which you connect to the Internet (e.g., connection speed through narrowband or broadband access); Internet protocol address; other information about your geographic location; or data relating to computer malfunctions or problems occurring when you use your computer with the AOL Service. Additionally, we may collect information about other software on your computer for the limited purpose of protecting your security or improving your online experience.
It's not like AOL was exactly hiding the fact that they were keeping these logs, and the "whistleblowers" weren't exactly revealing some evil corporate secret that only the higher-ups at AOL knew. Storing those logs is not breaking the law in any manner whatsoever, so why the hell would the person who approved this "secret" (you know, the secret that AOL publically posted on the internet years ago) be locked away and sued?
Releasing the data was clearly wrong and a stupid thing to do, but I seriously doubt any laws were actually broken (the EFF is figuring that out right now). At the most, the people who released the logs should have serious consequences, but suing the data miners is just downright retarded.
Ah, my mistake. Opera implemented Rich Text Editing in version 9 I believe. The last time I actually wrote an email in Opera using Gmail was on version 8.5, and I could only write plain text emails. My point still stands for Safari definitely, and I believe Konqueror as well.
I don't see any access type functionality in Google Base at all. It seems more like a Craigs List immitation to me, which is not part of an Office suite.
Please explain to me how they could possibly support Opera, Safari or Konqueror. None of the respective vendors have bothered to implement rich text editing components into the browsers. It isn't Google's fault that a feature that has been part of Internet Explorer and Mozilla for years still aren't present in these browsers.
Nope, it is no longer true, at least with Opera 9. I actually just downloaded it and tried to respond to another comment. I left the user agent string as the default, which should be Opera, and this is what I got with absolutely no problems whatsoever.
You, put simply, are talking out of your ass. You DO NOT get the Basic HTML version of Gmail when using Opera. You get the full Gmail experience, with the exclusion of Rich Text Editing. You still get the rest of the fancy Gmail interface, which is not present in the Basic HTML version. You still can expand and collapse messages without reloading the page, switch into settings without reloading the page, etc etc. I just downloaded and installed Opera to test this, and there is even a link at the bottom for manually switching to Basic HTML mode. What version of Opera are you using exactly? And last but not least, can I have some of what you are smoking?
Both Safari and Opera lack decent rich text editing capabilities, which both Firefox and Internet Explorer have, which is why this doesn't surprise me. Windows Live Mail, Yahoo! Mail Beta, Writely, Gmail...pretty much any web service, no matter what the company behind the service is, that has rich text editing as a feature either only work with rich text turned off or not at all in my experience with Safari, Konqueror, Opera, etc etc.
Thanks for the information! I have bookmarked these two sites and emailed them to my cousin. He'll probably get them next month (he doesn't use the computer all that often really).
Not sure if you are the original poster (original was Anon), but I did put at the end of my first paragraph "For some users, it isn't worth it, and they simply don't upgrade. For some users, the new features are worth the price.", which is essentially what you just said.
Also, the anon poster said Microsoft doesn't charge for service packs. Apple and Microsoft charge for the exact same thing. Microsoft released Windows 2000 (NT 5.0), released free service packs for it, and then released a paid upgrade (NT 5.1 a.k.a. Windows XP), with its own free service packs. Apple released Mac OS X 10.3, and then released numerous "service packs" (10.3.1, 10.3.2, etc), and then released a paid upgrade (10.4) with its own free "service packs" (10.4.1, 10.4.2 etc). Just because Microsoft and Apple use different terminology doesn't make it any different. And just because the development pace at Microsoft is glacial doesn't mean Apple is doing something wrong by releasing new OS X editions every year and a half. Maybe Microsoft needs to pick it up a notch, instead of resting on their laurels and letting their main product stagnate while chasing after numerous markets where they are hopelessly outnumbered and even losing market share in (they lose share every month to Google for instance)?
He lost a couple of fingers on his other hand in the same accident too I should add, which is why he has trouble upper casing certain things without capslock.
This has to be the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in my life. My cousin lost his arm in a farm accident, so he relies on the caps lock key. If, for instance, he wants to type an uppercase H, he hits capslock, types H, and hits capslock again. What a dumb waste of space on Google's hard drives. These people need to find something more productive to do.
I'm sure Google Video is far more popular than a lot of the sites mentioned in the article summary (too many things to do to read the article itself), but yet it isn't mentioned...
It probably will once Safari and Konqueror actually have a Rich Text Editor. Until then, neither browser is really suitable for something like Blogger.
Had you RTFA, you would know that no one is being forced to use these new features. In-fact, very few people are going to even be allowed to use them. It is invitation only, and you can reject an invitation. So, only beta testers will get to use this beta service.
"For that matter, my Mac at work is running 10.3 even though I could get the help desk (hinder desk) to upgrade it to 10.4 at no cost to me. It's an older computer and I just don't need any features that 10.4 offers for my work."
I've generally found that OS X gets quicker with every release. Tiger runs far better on my Powermac G4 than Panther did once I turn off Dashboard...
Windows service packs generally don't introduce new features (except for the firewall in XP SP2...which isn't exactly spectacular, considering firewalls have been standard on every other OS for a long time). Apple's upgrades always introduce new features that may be worth the money to some people. For instance, I would probably be willing to spend $60 on a stand-alone Time Machine like program. Some of the more feature-full and less buggy virtual desktop solutions for OS X are around $30. I would be willing to pay for iChat because of the new features (video in background, etc). For some users, it isn't worth it, and they simply don't upgrade. For some users, the new features are worth the price.
Windows Service Packs rarely introduce any new features that are noticeable to end users...so your point doesn't really fly.
Besides my Mini, I'm also running a Powermac G4 which is now almost 6 years old. The Mini is currently having the optical drive replaced after I owned it for a month, the Powermac has never had any problem whatsoever. As long as you keep backups, old hardware can be a godsend. I would have been stuck without a computer for the last week if I didn't still have my Powermac. It obviously isn't very powerful, but 400 MHz is better than nothing...
Plus, old hardware is great for letting your kids screw around on without worrying about them breaking your expensive new computer.
A new version is released every 18 months, and you can skip every other release, so it is more like 3 years, which isn't really all that bad. Oh, and it's $129....
Well, considering Apple provided this build to developers, which is how it got leaked, logic would dictate that it doesn't include the Top Secret features, considering they wouldn't be Top Secret if Apple was handing them out at their Developer's Conference.
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What a god damn stupid example. Do you broadcast your friggin personal documents in plain text over the internet? That'd be almost as dumb as phoning random people and reading your income tax statements over the phone. If you don't like these companies storing the data that you knowingly, and intentionally, submit to their own servers, well then, don't do it!!! Don't use search engines and you don't have to worry about it, right? The 4th amendment doesn't apply when you intentionally give your personal information to third parties under the pre-text that they are allowed to store it (have you even bothered to read the privacy policies of any of the online services you use????).
Really? Please point out which law, and more specifically, which paragraphs and sections of that law that state that when you utilize another entity's servers for personal gain (to find information), they are not allowed to retain the data. I'll be waiting...
Are you a moron or can you not read? AOL's own god damn legal department wrote up a friggin privacy policy, available to subscribers and non-subscribers alike, that AOL is storing these logs.
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From the privacy policy:
Collection of Your AOL Member Information
Your AOL Member information consists of personally identifiable information collected or received about you when you interact with the AOL Service, including AOL sites and pages, services, and software (collectively AOL Service "offerings"). Depending on how you use the AOL Service, your AOL Member information may include:
Information about the searches you perform through the AOL Service and how you use the results of those searches;
Your AOL Member information may also include certain technical and diagnostic information gathered or received when you use the AOL Service. Some of the technical information that may be collected or received includes: the type of browser you are using (e.g., Netscape, AOL Explorer), the type of operating system you are using (e.g., Windows XP or Mac OS), CPU type (e.g. Pentium), the manner in which you connect to the Internet (e.g., connection speed through narrowband or broadband access); Internet protocol address; other information about your geographic location; or data relating to computer malfunctions or problems occurring when you use your computer with the AOL Service. Additionally, we may collect information about other software on your computer for the limited purpose of protecting your security or improving your online experience.
It's not like AOL was exactly hiding the fact that they were keeping these logs, and the "whistleblowers" weren't exactly revealing some evil corporate secret that only the higher-ups at AOL knew. Storing those logs is not breaking the law in any manner whatsoever, so why the hell would the person who approved this "secret" (you know, the secret that AOL publically posted on the internet years ago) be locked away and sued?
Releasing the data was clearly wrong and a stupid thing to do, but I seriously doubt any laws were actually broken (the EFF is figuring that out right now). At the most, the people who released the logs should have serious consequences, but suing the data miners is just downright retarded.
Ah, my mistake. Opera implemented Rich Text Editing in version 9 I believe. The last time I actually wrote an email in Opera using Gmail was on version 8.5, and I could only write plain text emails. My point still stands for Safari definitely, and I believe Konqueror as well.
Ah, my bad....
I don't see any access type functionality in Google Base at all. It seems more like a Craigs List immitation to me, which is not part of an Office suite.
Please explain to me how they could possibly support Opera, Safari or Konqueror. None of the respective vendors have bothered to implement rich text editing components into the browsers. It isn't Google's fault that a feature that has been part of Internet Explorer and Mozilla for years still aren't present in these browsers.
Nope, it is no longer true, at least with Opera 9. I actually just downloaded it and tried to respond to another comment. I left the user agent string as the default, which should be Opera, and this is what I got with absolutely no problems whatsoever.
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http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1n
You, put simply, are talking out of your ass. You DO NOT get the Basic HTML version of Gmail when using Opera. You get the full Gmail experience, with the exclusion of Rich Text Editing. You still get the rest of the fancy Gmail interface, which is not present in the Basic HTML version. You still can expand and collapse messages without reloading the page, switch into settings without reloading the page, etc etc. I just downloaded and installed Opera to test this, and there is even a link at the bottom for manually switching to Basic HTML mode. What version of Opera are you using exactly? And last but not least, can I have some of what you are smoking?
x 2.png : This is the Standard Gmail in Operan m9.png : Basic HTML Version of Gmail in Opera after I've MANUALLY switched to it.
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1n
http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2
Both Safari and Opera lack decent rich text editing capabilities, which both Firefox and Internet Explorer have, which is why this doesn't surprise me. Windows Live Mail, Yahoo! Mail Beta, Writely, Gmail...pretty much any web service, no matter what the company behind the service is, that has rich text editing as a feature either only work with rich text turned off or not at all in my experience with Safari, Konqueror, Opera, etc etc.
Thanks for the information! I have bookmarked these two sites and emailed them to my cousin. He'll probably get them next month (he doesn't use the computer all that often really).
Not sure if you are the original poster (original was Anon), but I did put at the end of my first paragraph "For some users, it isn't worth it, and they simply don't upgrade. For some users, the new features are worth the price.", which is essentially what you just said.
Also, the anon poster said Microsoft doesn't charge for service packs. Apple and Microsoft charge for the exact same thing. Microsoft released Windows 2000 (NT 5.0), released free service packs for it, and then released a paid upgrade (NT 5.1 a.k.a. Windows XP), with its own free service packs. Apple released Mac OS X 10.3, and then released numerous "service packs" (10.3.1, 10.3.2, etc), and then released a paid upgrade (10.4) with its own free "service packs" (10.4.1, 10.4.2 etc). Just because Microsoft and Apple use different terminology doesn't make it any different. And just because the development pace at Microsoft is glacial doesn't mean Apple is doing something wrong by releasing new OS X editions every year and a half. Maybe Microsoft needs to pick it up a notch, instead of resting on their laurels and letting their main product stagnate while chasing after numerous markets where they are hopelessly outnumbered and even losing market share in (they lose share every month to Google for instance)?
He lost a couple of fingers on his other hand in the same accident too I should add, which is why he has trouble upper casing certain things without capslock.
This has to be the absolute dumbest thing I have seen in my life. My cousin lost his arm in a farm accident, so he relies on the caps lock key. If, for instance, he wants to type an uppercase H, he hits capslock, types H, and hits capslock again. What a dumb waste of space on Google's hard drives. These people need to find something more productive to do.
I'm sure Google Video is far more popular than a lot of the sites mentioned in the article summary (too many things to do to read the article itself), but yet it isn't mentioned...
According to TFA Blogger Beta is invitation only at the moment.
Google's Syndicator is a piece of junk. I highly recommend using Bloglines. I gave up actual software RSS readers once I discovered Bloglines.
It probably will once Safari and Konqueror actually have a Rich Text Editor. Until then, neither browser is really suitable for something like Blogger.
"What does Google actually have (other than search) that isn't in beta?"
Alerts, Desktop, Directory, Earth, Image Search, Maps, News, Toolbar (both a beta and non-beta version), Translate, Picasa, Blogger.
Numbnuts,
Had you RTFA, you would know that no one is being forced to use these new features. In-fact, very few people are going to even be allowed to use them. It is invitation only, and you can reject an invitation. So, only beta testers will get to use this beta service.
Sincerely,
Someone who is actually capable of reading
"For that matter, my Mac at work is running 10.3 even though I could get the help desk (hinder desk) to upgrade it to 10.4 at no cost to me. It's an older computer and I just don't need any features that 10.4 offers for my work."
I've generally found that OS X gets quicker with every release. Tiger runs far better on my Powermac G4 than Panther did once I turn off Dashboard...
Windows service packs generally don't introduce new features (except for the firewall in XP SP2...which isn't exactly spectacular, considering firewalls have been standard on every other OS for a long time). Apple's upgrades always introduce new features that may be worth the money to some people. For instance, I would probably be willing to spend $60 on a stand-alone Time Machine like program. Some of the more feature-full and less buggy virtual desktop solutions for OS X are around $30. I would be willing to pay for iChat because of the new features (video in background, etc). For some users, it isn't worth it, and they simply don't upgrade. For some users, the new features are worth the price.
Windows Service Packs rarely introduce any new features that are noticeable to end users...so your point doesn't really fly.
Besides my Mini, I'm also running a Powermac G4 which is now almost 6 years old. The Mini is currently having the optical drive replaced after I owned it for a month, the Powermac has never had any problem whatsoever. As long as you keep backups, old hardware can be a godsend. I would have been stuck without a computer for the last week if I didn't still have my Powermac. It obviously isn't very powerful, but 400 MHz is better than nothing...
Plus, old hardware is great for letting your kids screw around on without worrying about them breaking your expensive new computer.
A new version is released every 18 months, and you can skip every other release, so it is more like 3 years, which isn't really all that bad. Oh, and it's $129....
Well, considering Apple provided this build to developers, which is how it got leaked, logic would dictate that it doesn't include the Top Secret features, considering they wouldn't be Top Secret if Apple was handing them out at their Developer's Conference.