Why is every single distro not wanting to properly support PowerPC anymore? If you followed debian-ppc as of lately, you'll notice they're having issues as well.
SuSE supports PowerPC, but only for zSeries. Incidentially, the zSeries media install and runs fine on my dual G5, with everything being supported.
Why is everyone dropping support for it? It seems like it still remains a major platform, no?
Uhm... Stop me if i'm spewing nonsense, but isn't the fact that Linus obviously doesn't give a shit about the GPLv3 a very tiny fraction of the problem?
The main problem being that it would be extremely difficult to track down every single person who contributed to Linux and holds the copyright to agree to the change?
I hear you. I went through all sorts of pain to get the HP Raid 3i (which basically uses the 'megaraid' driver, so I guess it is rebrandred) working on my quad xeon. I had to use gentoo, but somehow, I had to install using knoppix and 2.4 kernel.
The machine is sort of wonky, too. I wonder if FreeBSD would be a happy camper on it.. Maybe I'll give it a try:)
Interesting analogy.
It always bothered me, the kid-proof caps on pill bottles.
Tylenol, maybe. Potentially lethal medecine, all right.
But pills for arthrite?!
I keep picturing grandma trying to open them while writhing in pain.
Well, this is my first serious post on Slashdot. I have been reading the comments every day with much interest, and I think it's time I contributed something.
I have a Love&Hate relationship with Gentoo. I switched to it from Redhat a rather long while ago, on my server. Ran it that way on a Pentium 200mhz for a while -- it was painful, but I wasn't really tired of it yet, and I could stand it compiling junk for days, it was only my personal server.
Then I got it on an old Athlon Tbird, and that was better.
And one day, it reached my workstation. And then all of my servers, including that strange, obscene HP LH4r. Quad Xeon machines can have scary clock issues.
I still like it immensely, portage is awesome. But, but but, compiling things got tiring after a while.
I fixed that by buying an Athlon X2. Dual core, MAKEOPTS="-j3" made compiling a breeze, and made me happy. Samba in three minutes was impressive to me.
But then, the quality of packages went to hell, upgrades begin breaking things more and more frequently. Circular blockers, if you felt bleeding edge and tossed a modular xorg in. Unexpected changes in configuration files that were only being mentionned on mailing lists, forum posts, and places where you wouldn't look.
Portage made it so easy to miss something important. Changelog entries are now sloppy. (I.E. "version bump" or "Added stuff from upstream").
And then, there are the slotted packages, that you don't really understand why they are slotted. There are the modular, split ebuilds for KDE. If you don't want the whole shebang, good luck trying to get 3.5 installed and also sucessfully rid yourself of 3.4 easily.
One Gentoo would have been fine. But I now had five. So I set up facilities. Central internal portage mirror (sync server), distfiles on NFS, to save bandwidth. distcc, for distributed compliling.
But I still have to spend the time to keep them updated. Let a gentoo linger in for too long, and it's going to be discouraging, and look more and more like a complete reinstall.
And somewhere in there, you'll do a quick baselayout. But then things will get depreciated and break on next reboot. Why change standards to be fancy?
There's also the -R283 syndrome, which was mentionned earlier by someone else. You get glibc, install glibc, live happy. It takes a while, but that's fine. Next week, you get glibc-r1. Ebuild was sloppy. You get to remerge it.
Then, there's -r3. Fixes an obscure Sparc bug. You still get it on x86. Remerge. ccache becomes your best friend. But it's still time consuming.
And then, there are the serious bugs that get marked as WONTFIX, or the part of the software that you're having a problem with that will just get removed until upstream fixes it, which is rarely done due to the crazy compiling flags one might have.
I now run Kubuntu on my desktop. I welcome updates, they're easier to manage. Also, my primary server will most likely turn into a Debian Sarge box. I haven't decided yet. I'll leave the Quad Xeon running on gentoo. But it's sad how quality lowered.
I really want to still like gentoo, if it wasn't so... time and ressources consuming, once you get more than one.
And these are my home machines. I also have my work machines to support and administer, and god knows I haven't become a network guy just to spend my whole life installing patches.
My problem with gentoo is not that it takes a long time to configure, it is that, if you aren't uncareful, you'll spend way to much time just/dealing/ with the updates themselves. You can't blinding run emerge -uvaD world and hit "Yes" then go back to your buisness like it was no thang...
I would like to take this moment to mention that I have been administering a production Jrun server, and three development server (with four instances (servers) each) with different requirements, and probably contracted cancer and killed my dog in the process.
Either the code is obscenely crappy, or Jrun is completely awful. So far, I think the latter applies... Updaters that crap out, micro patches distributed only in the support forums so you end up with micro version mismatches, strange error messages, nothing rendered and absolutely nothing useful in the logs, even with full debugging output enabled, strange results with Java 1.5 such as some forms refusing to post correctly and mismatching the encoding, complete and utter inepty to properly run as a service and be restarted 100% of the time...
Coldfusion still exists? The checkbox for it is unticked by default when you add an IIS connector in Windows.
But I think this was just a message he was trying to get accross. Now what I wonder is why the security didn't let him leave?
OH NOES HE HAS TIN FOIL OVER BADGES!!1
Unless they had something to hide...?
another article saying that they aren't really switching to Linux because MS made them a sweet sweet sweet deal?
So many stories of big corporations switching to linux ending up being schemes to get licensing deals from MS...
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Pegasos? Kurobox? IBM fucking zSeries?
I mean, alone for the sake of the IBM zSeries servers?
Why is every single distro not wanting to properly support PowerPC anymore? If you followed debian-ppc as of lately, you'll notice they're having issues as well.
SuSE supports PowerPC, but only for zSeries. Incidentially, the zSeries media install and runs fine on my dual G5, with everything being supported.
Why is everyone dropping support for it? It seems like it still remains a major platform, no?
Uhm... Stop me if i'm spewing nonsense, but isn't the fact that Linus obviously doesn't give a shit about the GPLv3 a very tiny fraction of the problem?
The main problem being that it would be extremely difficult to track down every single person who contributed to Linux and holds the copyright to agree to the change?
I hear you. I went through all sorts of pain to get the HP Raid 3i (which basically uses the 'megaraid' driver, so I guess it is rebrandred) working on my quad xeon. I had to use gentoo, but somehow, I had to install using knoppix and 2.4 kernel.
:)
The machine is sort of wonky, too. I wonder if FreeBSD would be a happy camper on it.. Maybe I'll give it a try
If I had mod points, I'd mod this positively until it glew.
That was.. I don't know, it was so peaceful. I wish more people saw things like you do.
Interesting analogy. It always bothered me, the kid-proof caps on pill bottles. Tylenol, maybe. Potentially lethal medecine, all right. But pills for arthrite?! I keep picturing grandma trying to open them while writhing in pain.
Actually, being french canadian and all, it's the first thing that I thought about.
"How fitting..."
Well, this is my first serious post on Slashdot. I have been reading the comments every day with much interest, and I think it's time I contributed something.
/dealing/ with the updates themselves. You can't blinding run emerge -uvaD world and hit "Yes" then go back to your buisness like it was no thang...
I have a Love&Hate relationship with Gentoo. I switched to it from Redhat a rather long while ago, on my server. Ran it that way on a Pentium 200mhz for a while -- it was painful, but I wasn't really tired of it yet, and I could stand it compiling junk for days, it was only my personal server.
Then I got it on an old Athlon Tbird, and that was better.
And one day, it reached my workstation. And then all of my servers, including that strange, obscene HP LH4r. Quad Xeon machines can have scary clock issues.
I still like it immensely, portage is awesome. But, but but, compiling things got tiring after a while.
I fixed that by buying an Athlon X2. Dual core, MAKEOPTS="-j3" made compiling a breeze, and made me happy. Samba in three minutes was impressive to me.
But then, the quality of packages went to hell, upgrades begin breaking things more and more frequently. Circular blockers, if you felt bleeding edge and tossed a modular xorg in. Unexpected changes in configuration files that were only being mentionned on mailing lists, forum posts, and places where you wouldn't look.
Portage made it so easy to miss something important. Changelog entries are now sloppy. (I.E. "version bump" or "Added stuff from upstream").
And then, there are the slotted packages, that you don't really understand why they are slotted. There are the modular, split ebuilds for KDE. If you don't want the whole shebang, good luck trying to get 3.5 installed and also sucessfully rid yourself of 3.4 easily.
One Gentoo would have been fine. But I now had five. So I set up facilities. Central internal portage mirror (sync server), distfiles on NFS, to save bandwidth. distcc, for distributed compliling.
But I still have to spend the time to keep them updated. Let a gentoo linger in for too long, and it's going to be discouraging, and look more and more like a complete reinstall.
And somewhere in there, you'll do a quick baselayout. But then things will get depreciated and break on next reboot. Why change standards to be fancy?
There's also the -R283 syndrome, which was mentionned earlier by someone else. You get glibc, install glibc, live happy. It takes a while, but that's fine. Next week, you get glibc-r1. Ebuild was sloppy. You get to remerge it.
Then, there's -r3. Fixes an obscure Sparc bug. You still get it on x86. Remerge. ccache becomes your best friend. But it's still time consuming.
And then, there are the serious bugs that get marked as WONTFIX, or the part of the software that you're having a problem with that will just get removed until upstream fixes it, which is rarely done due to the crazy compiling flags one might have.
I now run Kubuntu on my desktop. I welcome updates, they're easier to manage. Also, my primary server will most likely turn into a Debian Sarge box. I haven't decided yet. I'll leave the Quad Xeon running on gentoo. But it's sad how quality lowered.
I really want to still like gentoo, if it wasn't so... time and ressources consuming, once you get more than one.
And these are my home machines. I also have my work machines to support and administer, and god knows I haven't become a network guy just to spend my whole life installing patches.
My problem with gentoo is not that it takes a long time to configure, it is that, if you aren't uncareful, you'll spend way to much time just
I miss when gentoo was a little less hectic.
because, as far as they are concerned... $ nc azrael.underwares.org 22 SSH-1.5-Cisco-1.25 I think they don't give a shit about OpenSSH.
I would like to take this moment to mention that I have been administering a production Jrun server, and three development server (with four instances (servers) each) with different requirements, and probably contracted cancer and killed my dog in the process. Either the code is obscenely crappy, or Jrun is completely awful. So far, I think the latter applies... Updaters that crap out, micro patches distributed only in the support forums so you end up with micro version mismatches, strange error messages, nothing rendered and absolutely nothing useful in the logs, even with full debugging output enabled, strange results with Java 1.5 such as some forms refusing to post correctly and mismatching the encoding, complete and utter inepty to properly run as a service and be restarted 100% of the time... Coldfusion still exists? The checkbox for it is unticked by default when you add an IIS connector in Windows.
But I think this was just a message he was trying to get accross. Now what I wonder is why the security didn't let him leave? OH NOES HE HAS TIN FOIL OVER BADGES!!1 Unless they had something to hide...?
another article saying that they aren't really switching to Linux because MS made them a sweet sweet sweet deal? So many stories of big corporations switching to linux ending up being schemes to get licensing deals from MS...