The whole argument against CP is that it victimizes those displayed again.
What? Who told you that? They're stupid, and you should feel bad for repeating their stupidity. The primary argument against CP is that someone has to make it, and the demand for new CP (there is always demand for new content in any kind of media) can only be fulfilled by abusing children.
I did not say this was my argument. It is however the official position of the DoJ. And I do not believe this position is stupid, because if even one victim feels victimized again if pictures of their rape get distributed, then it is a valid position.
Incidentally, there is apparently exceptionally little CP that is made to "fulfill demand" or for commercial reasons according to a law-enforcement source that should know. Sure, people that are abusing their children anyways may also take pictures if they can then swap them, but that is not why the abuse takes place. So that argument falls flat on its face. The real problem here is that most child abuse does not end up on video or in pictures and fighting illegal pixels takes resources away from finding and helping those victims.
It is the an argument frequently used by the DoJ, so it should be what the FBI uses as well. I am not saying there are not other arguments as well, I am just saying that by the argumentation of the DoJ, the FBI did something akin to raping all these children again. And it is even worse than when some random Internet user uploads/downloads this stuff, because a) the FBI must have expected this to become public knowledge, i.e. the victims would _know_ they have been victimized again and b) this time it was the government doing it to them, which is far, far worse, as doing it to them is now somehow "legitimate".
These are all very specific exceptions granted under very specific circumstances. A cop that fetches coffee with sirens blaring has a real problem when caught, for example. If they now get allowed to distribute, the next step is to allow them making it or at least not doing anything to stop others making it when they know it is going on and they could stop it. This is a very, very bad precedent.
Cops are not allowed to rape people under any circumstances and with good reason. The whole argument against CP is that it victimizes those displayed again. Hence the FBI committed mass child-abuse in a very real sense.
They can try to keep it out of mainstream consumer electronics, but there's too much "DIY" capability in the world to keep strong cryptography contained.
It reminds me of the early mp3.com days - the genie has long since left the bottle, doesn't matter if you saw it coming or not, it has happened. Now, you'll have to deal with it. Attempting to recapture the genie is a fool's errand.
Indeed. Just remember that initial PGP was a single person, and so was TOR. And with the current drive to turn everyone into a software developer in school, there is just no way to prevent people from doing it. Sure, many will get it wrong, but some will not. And as encryption software can in many case be made pretty simple, bugs in it will not save the day for the NSA in the long run. Of course, they can still use targeted access, but that is expensive and risky.
This person has just understood that there is nothing to be gained going in that direction, but a lot of rather huge risks to society. It is rare to see a pragmatist actually serving in such a position.
Sorry, but the only response that deserves is that I think you have no clue either. And I do that with about as much basis as you have for your statement, namely none. "Real life experience" only has worth if you have a clue and most people are exceptionally good at kidding themselves, in particular where their own limitations are concerned.
I think some people go into the STEM field not because they love the the field, but because they want to have a secure job and make a decent pay. That does not work and they need to stop.
I also think that this was about whether getting a university education was worthwhile and in the STEM field, if you have the talent and interest, it most decidedly is. I do know several engineers that regret finishing with a BA or MA and not having gone higher. I know no STEM graduates that think their studies were a waste of time.
Engineering jobs at the upper end pay well, have good working conditions and you can select your employer. Of course, they tend to require actual skills and talent.
Naaa, craftsmanship and actual competence is something the MBA bean-counter morons cannot understand (as it involves the real world) and hence it is dead.
When I look what the younger generation is learning today, I expect that I will have a job writing actual good code far over my retirement-age, because most of them sure as hell cannot do it.
Only if their productivity and result quality is exceptionally bad in the first place. In that case, it is still bad when increased 3-5 times and basically the only thing you can do with the results is throw them away. It is the cheapest option.
As no good coders work there (they have all gone to greener pastures), maybe you can bring code quality there up from "complete and utter crap" to "complete crap". Not sure this is worthwhile doing though. (Yes, I have reviewed code produced there. Several times. The sheer level of non-understanding you can find in there is staggering.)
Well, given that morons amplify each other, I expect that the business model here is really not dependent on code-quality. Hence I expect the OP can just continue as they did so far. Defense contracts?
Indeed. It is massively anti-intellectual and anti-education. But if you think as the UK as one of the nations working on the new world order (same as the last attempts to establish a world order, but with a different name and logo) it makes perfect sense. Hence I expect this authoritarian system does have a bright future. People too dumb to learn from history are bound to repeat it. We are seeing that in action here.
It will kill higher education in the ultimate consequence. Not a problem though, because the UK has been in decline for a long time now. Empires die slowly. On can only strongly recommend to any smart UK students to get their education somewhere else.
Education above a certain level (and the western states are critically dependent on having a significant number of people getting education above that level) is a very individual process and vastly different for everybody. Hence this may work for producing dumb but somewhat educated public servants, but it will fail for anything above that level.
Not really a problem though, the UK has massively overstayed their welcome as a member of the first world anyways. Their attempts to correct that are therefore a definite step in the right direction.
Naaa, the NSA probably just has some juicy dirt on them. That is how it works in a surveillance-state. No surprises here. Expect full-blown fascism in, say, 20-30 years or so.
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The whole argument against CP is that it victimizes those displayed again.
What? Who told you that? They're stupid, and you should feel bad for repeating their stupidity. The primary argument against CP is that someone has to make it, and the demand for new CP (there is always demand for new content in any kind of media) can only be fulfilled by abusing children.
I did not say this was my argument. It is however the official position of the DoJ. And I do not believe this position is stupid, because if even one victim feels victimized again if pictures of their rape get distributed, then it is a valid position.
Incidentally, there is apparently exceptionally little CP that is made to "fulfill demand" or for commercial reasons according to a law-enforcement source that should know. Sure, people that are abusing their children anyways may also take pictures if they can then swap them, but that is not why the abuse takes place. So that argument falls flat on its face. The real problem here is that most child abuse does not end up on video or in pictures and fighting illegal pixels takes resources away from finding and helping those victims.
It is the an argument frequently used by the DoJ, so it should be what the FBI uses as well. I am not saying there are not other arguments as well, I am just saying that by the argumentation of the DoJ, the FBI did something akin to raping all these children again. And it is even worse than when some random Internet user uploads/downloads this stuff, because a) the FBI must have expected this to become public knowledge, i.e. the victims would _know_ they have been victimized again and b) this time it was the government doing it to them, which is far, far worse, as doing it to them is now somehow "legitimate".
These are all very specific exceptions granted under very specific circumstances. A cop that fetches coffee with sirens blaring has a real problem when caught, for example. If they now get allowed to distribute, the next step is to allow them making it or at least not doing anything to stop others making it when they know it is going on and they could stop it. This is a very, very bad precedent.
Cops are not allowed to rape people under any circumstances and with good reason. The whole argument against CP is that it victimizes those displayed again. Hence the FBI committed mass child-abuse in a very real sense.
They can try to keep it out of mainstream consumer electronics, but there's too much "DIY" capability in the world to keep strong cryptography contained.
It reminds me of the early mp3.com days - the genie has long since left the bottle, doesn't matter if you saw it coming or not, it has happened. Now, you'll have to deal with it. Attempting to recapture the genie is a fool's errand.
Indeed. Just remember that initial PGP was a single person, and so was TOR. And with the current drive to turn everyone into a software developer in school, there is just no way to prevent people from doing it. Sure, many will get it wrong, but some will not. And as encryption software can in many case be made pretty simple, bugs in it will not save the day for the NSA in the long run. Of course, they can still use targeted access, but that is expensive and risky.
This person has just understood that there is nothing to be gained going in that direction, but a lot of rather huge risks to society. It is rare to see a pragmatist actually serving in such a position.
Sorry, but the only response that deserves is that I think you have no clue either. And I do that with about as much basis as you have for your statement, namely none. "Real life experience" only has worth if you have a clue and most people are exceptionally good at kidding themselves, in particular where their own limitations are concerned.
I think some people go into the STEM field not because they love the the field, but because they want to have a secure job and make a decent pay. That does not work and they need to stop.
I also think that this was about whether getting a university education was worthwhile and in the STEM field, if you have the talent and interest, it most decidedly is. I do know several engineers that regret finishing with a BA or MA and not having gone higher. I know no STEM graduates that think their studies were a waste of time.
So your point is?
There are no other options in you world? My condolences to you for having a small mind...
Your statement makes no sense.
Indeed. It s back to the 18th century. Or maybe earlier. The anti-knowledge, anti-understanding and anti-science crowd has taken over.
Engineering jobs at the upper end pay well, have good working conditions and you can select your employer. Of course, they tend to require actual skills and talent.
Naaa, craftsmanship and actual competence is something the MBA bean-counter morons cannot understand (as it involves the real world) and hence it is dead.
When I look what the younger generation is learning today, I expect that I will have a job writing actual good code far over my retirement-age, because most of them sure as hell cannot do it.
Indeed. And no understanding what a good result actually looks like.
Only if their productivity and result quality is exceptionally bad in the first place. In that case, it is still bad when increased 3-5 times and basically the only thing you can do with the results is throw them away. It is the cheapest option.
As no good coders work there (they have all gone to greener pastures), maybe you can bring code quality there up from "complete and utter crap" to "complete crap". Not sure this is worthwhile doing though. (Yes, I have reviewed code produced there. Several times. The sheer level of non-understanding you can find in there is staggering.)
From experience, I would say it ensures no good solution gets a chance.
Well, given that morons amplify each other, I expect that the business model here is really not dependent on code-quality. Hence I expect the OP can just continue as they did so far. Defense contracts?
Indeed. It is massively anti-intellectual and anti-education. But if you think as the UK as one of the nations working on the new world order (same as the last attempts to establish a world order, but with a different name and logo) it makes perfect sense. Hence I expect this authoritarian system does have a bright future. People too dumb to learn from history are bound to repeat it. We are seeing that in action here.
It will kill higher education in the ultimate consequence. Not a problem though, because the UK has been in decline for a long time now. Empires die slowly. On can only strongly recommend to any smart UK students to get their education somewhere else.
Education above a certain level (and the western states are critically dependent on having a significant number of people getting education above that level) is a very individual process and vastly different for everybody. Hence this may work for producing dumb but somewhat educated public servants, but it will fail for anything above that level.
Not really a problem though, the UK has massively overstayed their welcome as a member of the first world anyways. Their attempts to correct that are therefore a definite step in the right direction.
Naaa, the NSA probably just has some juicy dirt on them. That is how it works in a surveillance-state. No surprises here. Expect full-blown fascism in, say, 20-30 years or so.
Ah, not "bit laundering", "bit-coin laundering". Not fundamentally different though...
Drop the political propaganda. It is irrelevant and just marks you as an honor-less moron.
That is because anybody with minimal intelligence and education knows the answer. You obviously are lacking in those departments.