Did you actually read the link you posted? Or did you stop at the top chart (which is javascript performance only)? Or are you implying that only javascript matters when it comes to mobile devices?
There's absolutely nothing in that article that supports your point. You could have simply replied "no" and that would have had the same value in this argument.
Tesla most certainly does not lose $15K on each car. That's fucking absurd, and you're an idiot.
You have a point. They're not losing $15K on each car; according to Generally Accepted Accounting Practices they actually lose $19,059 per Model S they sell.
Of course if I have to choose sides, between the GAAP reported by a reputable finance site or some dude on Slashdot who thinks he understands finance (i.e you), I'll go with the real experts.
You know what Brannon, it's people like you that make the "mansplainer" label possible. You make an entire gender look bad. So downshift a couple gears with the insults and use this as a learning experience.
That's the Amazon business model. Growth and market ownership before profit.
I used to distrust this model but it did work for Amazon. They recently started to turn a profit and it'd be fair to say that they own the market. Let's hope it works for Tesla too. A cool product that looks good and that is actually less damaging for the environment than the competition, that's pretty impressive.
Tesla makes money by selling stock to people who like the business model of losing money and making promises of future profits.
I don't think you understand how the stock market works. After the IPO, the company no longer makes money from the stock it sold to investors. Investors make money if they resell their stock to other investors if the stock price went up.
Usually the company *loses* money with their stock after the IPO because investors expect either regular dividends or a buy-back program at a premium over what they initially paid.
Because they're the most profitable tech company in the world.
And everyone else is jealous.
Depends how you define "most profitable". Just compare Apple and and Microsoft; Apple reached the trillion dollars mark in all time revenue a year before Microsoft (2015), but when it comes to all time profit Microsoft is still ahead by a few billions. Yet, Microsoft was tiny compared to Apple in early days, and they have maybe half the revenue of today's Apple.
Google has a higher profit margin than both but a shorter history. Even Facebook has a higher profit margin than Apple.
So if you want to brag about an achievement you had nothing to do with, at least brag about Apple's revenue, not Apple's profit.
Speaking of cars, Apple is the exact opposite of Tesla. They sell outdated tech and make a huge profit. Tesla sells near-science-fiction tech and loses $15,000 per car.
Maybe that's what happens when you get big and greedy and realize that people still wait in line for hours to buy a "new" device that is for the most part identical to the last 3 or 4 models. Let's hope Tesla never transitions to that business strategy.
I think Apple will impact this kind of thinking. They spend 5 billions on a new headquarter just as their market share goes in a nosedive. They'll probably never get to fully utilize that thing before the layoffs begin. A lesson for all to see.
Warren Buffet made his initial investment in Capital Cities (now ABC) in part because only the front of the head office had been painted, not the back (he likes cheapskates).
Equally trashy? That's like seeing a father beat up a guy who raped his 2 years old daughter, then say "don't blame the father, the rapist is at least equally wrong".
Gawker made money destroying lives. If anything, every single contributor to Gawker in history should go bankrupt too.
I don't think you understand the economics of credit cards. There's no transaction fees for the cardholder. They make money on idiots who only pay the minimum amount each month and who end up racking up gigantic fees over time. That's why there's an incentive for them to make it as easy as possible for the customers to make transactions. Pay your entire bill in time every month and you're essentially enjoying a convenient payment method with no risk, for free.
When it comes to ATM cards, though, that's another story. There's fees up the wazoo and far less incentives dor the banks to make it easy. I have no idea why people use debit cards to pay for stuff, credit cards are best in every way (convenience, reward programs, insurance programs, etc). Unless you're unable to manage your own spending.
Really? If I was an obvious troll you'd ignore my comments. The fact that you reply with a "you're a troll" accusation just shows that you can't argue with the point I made but you're upset about someone not worshipping Apple and can't let it go quietly.
Bookmark or print this thread, and read it again in 5 years, when being an Apple fanboi will feel as silly and ancient as being a Belieber. Then with perspective you'll see I wasn't trolling, your emperor has no clothes.
yes but the point is, fanbois don't know any of those facts, which means they don't care about a billion devices being sold in general, they care about *Apple* selling a billion devices.
it's ok to be a fanboi, as long as you assume it and don't try to pretend you're a neutral market observer
Money made it easier to trade, but I'm sure back then someone like you complained that it would be easy to steal. Then checks, and bank wires, and credit cards, and ATM. Always the birds of ill omen came out and spewed their "they gonna steal it" mantra.
With credit cards we've finally reached a point where for the most part the risk is not on the small guy's side of the equation. But instead of rejoicing and embracing the convenience of technological progress and the risk-free high speed transaction mechanisms now available, you keep the FUD going.
At least you're not gonna stop progress since all you do is sit and whine, but still, party poopers suck.
Mint.com does that across all your banking options (cc, debit, checking, etc), they also email you when you pay an unusual bank fee. All free.
It's an amazing service. I love getting that weekly "can you guess on what you've spent the most money this week?", it makes me realize when I go on spending benders.
PayWave is awesome. You just tap the card on the terminal (or near it) to pay, no pin, no signature.
Of course some people will freak out, just like they freaked out when chips came out ("what the devilry is this!"), but it's hugely convenient. Credit cards companies already have very customer-friendly policies for fraud and scams, this is just making things even easier with no risk for the card holders.
I've learned from past experience to have 3 credit cards: 2 in my wallet, 1 at home, that way if one gets compromised I have options until I get a new card. That's a minor price to pay for the convenience.
No need for it, systemd is already obfuscated by design. It even replaces error messages with dots to make sure nobody can use them maliciously (or non-maliciously).
Slashdot Mirror
I recognize that IP range.
Maybe it's time for you to find a hobby.
script kiddies
You need to upgrade your lingo. The proper term nowadays is "fork kiddies".
do you have Pokemon Go on your tablet? I'm told there's lots of rare pokemons in rehab centers.
Did you actually read the link you posted? Or did you stop at the top chart (which is javascript performance only)? Or are you implying that only javascript matters when it comes to mobile devices?
There's absolutely nothing in that article that supports your point. You could have simply replied "no" and that would have had the same value in this argument.
Tesla most certainly does not lose $15K on each car. That's fucking absurd, and you're an idiot.
You have a point. They're not losing $15K on each car; according to Generally Accepted Accounting Practices they actually lose $19,059 per Model S they sell.
http://www.investopedia.com/ar...
Of course if I have to choose sides, between the GAAP reported by a reputable finance site or some dude on Slashdot who thinks he understands finance (i.e you), I'll go with the real experts.
You know what Brannon, it's people like you that make the "mansplainer" label possible. You make an entire gender look bad. So downshift a couple gears with the insults and use this as a learning experience.
That's the Amazon business model. Growth and market ownership before profit.
I used to distrust this model but it did work for Amazon. They recently started to turn a profit and it'd be fair to say that they own the market. Let's hope it works for Tesla too. A cool product that looks good and that is actually less damaging for the environment than the competition, that's pretty impressive.
Tesla makes money by selling stock to people who like the business model of losing money and making promises of future profits.
I don't think you understand how the stock market works. After the IPO, the company no longer makes money from the stock it sold to investors. Investors make money if they resell their stock to other investors if the stock price went up.
Usually the company *loses* money with their stock after the IPO because investors expect either regular dividends or a buy-back program at a premium over what they initially paid.
Because they're the most profitable tech company in the world.
And everyone else is jealous.
Depends how you define "most profitable". Just compare Apple and and Microsoft; Apple reached the trillion dollars mark in all time revenue a year before Microsoft (2015), but when it comes to all time profit Microsoft is still ahead by a few billions. Yet, Microsoft was tiny compared to Apple in early days, and they have maybe half the revenue of today's Apple.
Google has a higher profit margin than both but a shorter history. Even Facebook has a higher profit margin than Apple.
So if you want to brag about an achievement you had nothing to do with, at least brag about Apple's revenue, not Apple's profit.
Same usual bullshit. Comparing $1,000 iPhone with a $125 Chinese garbage android.
Dollar for dollar, Samsung or HTC devices run circles around iPhones.
Then upgrade to an iPad Pro! It has almost the same specs as the first non-pro Surface launched in 2012.
Speaking of cars, Apple is the exact opposite of Tesla. They sell outdated tech and make a huge profit. Tesla sells near-science-fiction tech and loses $15,000 per car.
Maybe that's what happens when you get big and greedy and realize that people still wait in line for hours to buy a "new" device that is for the most part identical to the last 3 or 4 models. Let's hope Tesla never transitions to that business strategy.
I think Apple will impact this kind of thinking. They spend 5 billions on a new headquarter just as their market share goes in a nosedive. They'll probably never get to fully utilize that thing before the layoffs begin. A lesson for all to see.
Of course, really nice concrete finishes aren't cheap, but if you're building some big-ass expensive commercial building, it's probably worth it.
unless you want to attract shrewd investors like Warren Buffer. Or unless your business model is to cut costs to deliver rock-bottom prices.
Anyway, when I remove something that was stuck between my teeth I instantly feel much better.
Use condoms even for oral sex, that should solve your problem.
yes the analogy sucks and is wrong.
building a house and not painting two sides of it
Warren Buffet made his initial investment in Capital Cities (now ABC) in part because only the front of the head office had been painted, not the back (he likes cheapskates).
Equally trashy? That's like seeing a father beat up a guy who raped his 2 years old daughter, then say "don't blame the father, the rapist is at least equally wrong".
Gawker made money destroying lives. If anything, every single contributor to Gawker in history should go bankrupt too.
STOP ENABLING THE LAZY PEOPLE!
The proper answer, if one was even needed, would have been STFW.
I don't think you understand the economics of credit cards. There's no transaction fees for the cardholder. They make money on idiots who only pay the minimum amount each month and who end up racking up gigantic fees over time. That's why there's an incentive for them to make it as easy as possible for the customers to make transactions. Pay your entire bill in time every month and you're essentially enjoying a convenient payment method with no risk, for free.
When it comes to ATM cards, though, that's another story. There's fees up the wazoo and far less incentives dor the banks to make it easy. I have no idea why people use debit cards to pay for stuff, credit cards are best in every way (convenience, reward programs, insurance programs, etc). Unless you're unable to manage your own spending.
Really? If I was an obvious troll you'd ignore my comments. The fact that you reply with a "you're a troll" accusation just shows that you can't argue with the point I made but you're upset about someone not worshipping Apple and can't let it go quietly.
Bookmark or print this thread, and read it again in 5 years, when being an Apple fanboi will feel as silly and ancient as being a Belieber. Then with perspective you'll see I wasn't trolling, your emperor has no clothes.
yes but the point is, fanbois don't know any of those facts, which means they don't care about a billion devices being sold in general, they care about *Apple* selling a billion devices.
it's ok to be a fanboi, as long as you assume it and don't try to pretend you're a neutral market observer
Money made it easier to trade, but I'm sure back then someone like you complained that it would be easy to steal. Then checks, and bank wires, and credit cards, and ATM. Always the birds of ill omen came out and spewed their "they gonna steal it" mantra.
With credit cards we've finally reached a point where for the most part the risk is not on the small guy's side of the equation. But instead of rejoicing and embracing the convenience of technological progress and the risk-free high speed transaction mechanisms now available, you keep the FUD going.
At least you're not gonna stop progress since all you do is sit and whine, but still, party poopers suck.
Mint.com does that across all your banking options (cc, debit, checking, etc), they also email you when you pay an unusual bank fee. All free.
It's an amazing service. I love getting that weekly "can you guess on what you've spent the most money this week?", it makes me realize when I go on spending benders.
PayWave is awesome. You just tap the card on the terminal (or near it) to pay, no pin, no signature.
Of course some people will freak out, just like they freaked out when chips came out ("what the devilry is this!"), but it's hugely convenient. Credit cards companies already have very customer-friendly policies for fraud and scams, this is just making things even easier with no risk for the card holders.
I've learned from past experience to have 3 credit cards: 2 in my wallet, 1 at home, that way if one gets compromised I have options until I get a new card. That's a minor price to pay for the convenience.
That guy is undoing decades of good open source work, and nobody is doing a thing about it. He's Windowsing linux.
No need for it, systemd is already obfuscated by design. It even replaces error messages with dots to make sure nobody can use them maliciously (or non-maliciously).