Sorry maybe "blessed" was too strong a word, but I thought that a Rabbi MUST be present when the animal is slaughtered via cutting through the esophagus and trachea with a very sharp knife (to avoid tearing the flesh in anyway). It is my understanding that it is forbidden to eat torn/stripped flesh from any source.
Also I thought it was necessary for a Rabbi to be present at Kosher stores and restaurants to receive the Kosher goods in shipments, else they wouldnt be Kosher anymore...and also probably to check and make sure that the meats and the cheeses weren't hanging around together.
My father just got done constructing a second kitchen for a Jewish man who is VERY strict. He actually has a dairy kitchen and a meat kitchen, each complete with everything so that his dairy kitchen items don't ever see anything that has ever been in or around his meat kitchen (except himself of course). Ah the joy of cooking to have two kitchens...:)
I am not sure why fluffy666 (582573) brought up the "fairly nasty bit of xenophobia" thing...but I do hear that a lot when discussing this topic with people. I do agree on the medical front but we need to either "shit or get off the pot" so to speak...either we help and end the cycle once and for all or let nature take it course. But this yo-yoing of food, no food, famine, no famine REALLY needs to stop.
I think there is a rising question in the minds of people living in the $$$ countries of the world. They "seem" to be getting sick of sending aid when they have their own poor and starving children (albeit in MUCH lower numbers) plus prices for the things they value, TVs, SUVs, etc are rising. Not to mention gas esp in the US where we are spoiled and used to cheap gasoline. More and more I hear that folks don't want money going over there or anywhere.
I saw a recent poll (very unscientific I know) on the net regarding what are the most important things for the G8 summit, Africa and aid/debt relief to poor countries was at the bottom of the list getting the fewest votes for importance. With terror lurking in seemingly every corner it would seem that people are turning inward as well.
It has been a while since the "Great Depression" in the US but my mom is from a southern state and they didn't have enough food to eat by a long shot...she used to get so hungry she would steal cattle grain from a neighbor's barn to eat and others in the area did die of starvation. Nothing like what we see now in the poorest countries but it happens everywhere at some point it seems. My mom now hoards canned food and hides it away but I guess someone with nothing would say "at least she can."
There are no easy answers or solutions but I think it will only get worse before it gets better, if it ever does.
I wrote: And in defense of the bacteria culture thing...and I am a Molecular Biologist so I think I know what I am talking about here...ALL HUMANS/ANIMALS ARE WALKING BACTERIAL CULTURES...in fact the whole ecosystem of Earth is one big petri dish.
What I erroneously forgot to add was that bacteria, I hesitate to use the term strains for fear of exacerbating the xenophobia thing, reproduce at different rates and if one looks at the population explosions and reductions in certain developing countries a correlation could be drawn; not in the fact that they ARE bacteria but rather, given food/media both populations tend to increase by large numbers, then when the food/media is depleted you can observe a period of population reduction.
In contrast the popultion of the US and the UK, for example, when given more food(media) does not show the same pattern of population growth. But we do show growing waistlines
Rants & raves equally welcome. If one can't debate with a worthy opponent...how can one learn anything
Not to be overly geeky or anything but I rarely get to use my Klingon dictionary...so I am not so much picking on your post as trying to show off that I, like many other geeks, HAVE a Klingon Dictionary
If I follow your thoughts I believe the word is "qagh," serpent worm (as food)(n) pg 183.
Ok so I am for birth control, in fact I don't think people should just be able to have children carte blanche, esp if they can't feed or afford them (in any country)...
But is it fair to offer food only with the catch that they must completely wipe out their, non-birth control ideas (if they hold them) regarding reproductive rights? I am also not religious but I believe that if they don't want to use birth control then they should have that reproductive right.
To further that thought if they want to have such a high population/high birth rate that it causes them to not be able to feed themselves...well...
that certainly looks like a "choice" to me.
And don't give me the arguement that they don't understand or realize what they are doing with respect to population growth. Societies from the beginning of time have collectively known that too many mouths to feed equals starvation, so don't try to make these people seem stupid or dumb just becasue they don't have an "industrialized nation" education.
And in defense of the bacteria culture thing...and I am a Molecular Biologist so I think I know what I am talking about here...ALL HUMANS/ANIMALS ARE WALKING BACTERIAL CULTURES...in fact the whole ecosystem of Earth is one big petri dish
Additionally it is difficult for a human female (as stated previously) to reproduce when maintaining a starvation subsistence. So when she then begins to have access to better nutrition she then becomes suseptible to becoming pregnant although it is likely that she is not yet at optimum weight and nutrition to be carrying a pregnancy. She has another child, gives all her body can give to the growing baby and she is right back where she started, nutrition poor again. Meanwhile there is now another mouth to feed so the vicious cycle repeats itself.
How to break the cycle?? If we knew that we could fix it but apparently we don't or can't control all the factors like civil war, AIDS, etc. Like it or not there is a biological reason for what is going on over there with respect to famine and disease.
If this were happening a hundred years ago, the weakest part of their population would die off and then the population would naturally equilibrate itself. But that natural process cannot happen today because we interfere, be it right or wrong, we do interfere with this natural occurance. Nature and natual selection isn't kind folks.
And just because a couple of us know/believe strongly these things to be true, and speak what most people don't want to hear, does not mean that we dont feel for those people and are cruel evil folks.
Thank the gods...there are other people out there who are of the same mind set as myself...and not afraid to say it. When I speak of this I am looked at like I am personally killing those poor starving children.
I would also add that after feeding them the slop that we send over there, we, as civilized nations, then try to impose our own forms of birth control to curb the population growth. Why? Because we know that their land is probably better suited to nomadic peoples and not to large urban centers (like countries with more arable land to support large popluation centers) but that is what we/big business want...more consumers like us.
And don't forget that the food-aid comes with a religious price tag as well, because if we can change their religious beliefs then we are even happier...well some of us that is, myself not included. We should be mourning for those people's lost folkways and religious identity rather than trying to make everyone conform to our mostly christian ways.
It is likely that they could use proteins from the respective animal and clone that into sheets giving a flavor that might be closer to that particualr animal.
Also I would guess the most likely of answers would be the media that is used to grow the cellsheets in could be "doped" with synthetic flavor to help the taste issue.
Interestingly enough one of the hardest flavors to mimic is banana, it has over 800 different compounds (like esters etc.) that are difficult to reproduce exactly.
Problem #1-Religion
Can one giant continueously cloned meat slab be blessed "kosher?" If not there might be some mighty unhappy Rabbi folk...
Problem #2-PETA
They will likely side with the pro-lifers ideas and say that because the cells used "could" have resulted in a sentinet animal it is in effect killing the animal each time the cloning cycle is repeated.
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Sorry maybe "blessed" was too strong a word, but I thought that a Rabbi MUST be present when the animal is slaughtered via cutting through the esophagus and trachea with a very sharp knife (to avoid tearing the flesh in anyway). It is my understanding that it is forbidden to eat torn/stripped flesh from any source.
:)
Also I thought it was necessary for a Rabbi to be present at Kosher stores and restaurants to receive the Kosher goods in shipments, else they wouldnt be Kosher anymore...and also probably to check and make sure that the meats and the cheeses weren't hanging around together.
My father just got done constructing a second kitchen for a Jewish man who is VERY strict. He actually has a dairy kitchen and a meat kitchen, each complete with everything so that his dairy kitchen items don't ever see anything that has ever been in or around his meat kitchen (except himself of course). Ah the joy of cooking to have two kitchens...
I am not sure why fluffy666 (582573) brought up the "fairly nasty bit of xenophobia" thing...but I do hear that a lot when discussing this topic with people. I do agree on the medical front but we need to either "shit or get off the pot" so to speak...either we help and end the cycle once and for all or let nature take it course. But this yo-yoing of food, no food, famine, no famine REALLY needs to stop.
I think there is a rising question in the minds of people living in the $$$ countries of the world. They "seem" to be getting sick of sending aid when they have their own poor and starving children (albeit in MUCH lower numbers) plus prices for the things they value, TVs, SUVs, etc are rising. Not to mention gas esp in the US where we are spoiled and used to cheap gasoline. More and more I hear that folks don't want money going over there or anywhere.
I saw a recent poll (very unscientific I know) on the net regarding what are the most important things for the G8 summit, Africa and aid/debt relief to poor countries was at the bottom of the list getting the fewest votes for importance. With terror lurking in seemingly every corner it would seem that people are turning inward as well.
It has been a while since the "Great Depression" in the US but my mom is from a southern state and they didn't have enough food to eat by a long shot...she used to get so hungry she would steal cattle grain from a neighbor's barn to eat and others in the area did die of starvation. Nothing like what we see now in the poorest countries but it happens everywhere at some point it seems. My mom now hoards canned food and hides it away but I guess someone with nothing would say "at least she can."
There are no easy answers or solutions but I think it will only get worse before it gets better, if it ever does.
I wrote: And in defense of the bacteria culture thing...and I am a Molecular Biologist so I think I know what I am talking about here...ALL HUMANS/ANIMALS ARE WALKING BACTERIAL CULTURES...in fact the whole ecosystem of Earth is one big petri dish.
What I erroneously forgot to add was that bacteria, I hesitate to use the term strains for fear of exacerbating the xenophobia thing, reproduce at different rates and if one looks at the population explosions and reductions in certain developing countries a correlation could be drawn; not in the fact that they ARE bacteria but rather, given food/media both populations tend to increase by large numbers, then when the food/media is depleted you can observe a period of population reduction.
In contrast the popultion of the US and the UK, for example, when given more food(media) does not show the same pattern of population growth. But we do show growing waistlines
Rants & raves equally welcome. If one can't debate with a worthy opponent...how can one learn anything
Not to be overly geeky or anything but I rarely get to use my Klingon dictionary...so I am not so much picking on your post as trying to show off that I, like many other geeks, HAVE a Klingon Dictionary
If I follow your thoughts I believe the word is "qagh," serpent worm (as food)(n) pg 183.
(Lowly) Ensign Jenn
Ok so I am for birth control, in fact I don't think people should just be able to have children carte blanche, esp if they can't feed or afford them (in any country)...
But is it fair to offer food only with the catch that they must completely wipe out their, non-birth control ideas (if they hold them) regarding reproductive rights? I am also not religious but I believe that if they don't want to use birth control then they should have that reproductive right.
To further that thought if they want to have such a high population/high birth rate that it causes them to not be able to feed themselves...well... that certainly looks like a "choice" to me.
And don't give me the arguement that they don't understand or realize what they are doing with respect to population growth. Societies from the beginning of time have collectively known that too many mouths to feed equals starvation, so don't try to make these people seem stupid or dumb just becasue they don't have an "industrialized nation" education.
And in defense of the bacteria culture thing...and I am a Molecular Biologist so I think I know what I am talking about here...ALL HUMANS/ANIMALS ARE WALKING BACTERIAL CULTURES...in fact the whole ecosystem of Earth is one big petri dish
Additionally it is difficult for a human female (as stated previously) to reproduce when maintaining a starvation subsistence. So when she then begins to have access to better nutrition she then becomes suseptible to becoming pregnant although it is likely that she is not yet at optimum weight and nutrition to be carrying a pregnancy. She has another child, gives all her body can give to the growing baby and she is right back where she started, nutrition poor again. Meanwhile there is now another mouth to feed so the vicious cycle repeats itself.
How to break the cycle?? If we knew that we could fix it but apparently we don't or can't control all the factors like civil war, AIDS, etc. Like it or not there is a biological reason for what is going on over there with respect to famine and disease.
If this were happening a hundred years ago, the weakest part of their population would die off and then the population would naturally equilibrate itself. But that natural process cannot happen today because we interfere, be it right or wrong, we do interfere with this natural occurance. Nature and natual selection isn't kind folks.
And just because a couple of us know/believe strongly these things to be true, and speak what most people don't want to hear, does not mean that we dont feel for those people and are cruel evil folks.
Thank the gods...there are other people out there who are of the same mind set as myself...and not afraid to say it. When I speak of this I am looked at like I am personally killing those poor starving children.
I would also add that after feeding them the slop that we send over there, we, as civilized nations, then try to impose our own forms of birth control to curb the population growth. Why? Because we know that their land is probably better suited to nomadic peoples and not to large urban centers (like countries with more arable land to support large popluation centers) but that is what we/big business want...more consumers like us.
And don't forget that the food-aid comes with a religious price tag as well, because if we can change their religious beliefs then we are even happier...well some of us that is, myself not included. We should be mourning for those people's lost folkways and religious identity rather than trying to make everyone conform to our mostly christian ways.
It is likely that they could use proteins from the respective animal and clone that into sheets giving a flavor that might be closer to that particualr animal.
Also I would guess the most likely of answers would be the media that is used to grow the cellsheets in could be "doped" with synthetic flavor to help the taste issue.
Interestingly enough one of the hardest flavors to mimic is banana, it has over 800 different compounds (like esters etc.) that are difficult to reproduce exactly.
See I knew organic would pay-off some day
Problem #1-Religion
Can one giant continueously cloned meat slab be blessed "kosher?" If not there might be some mighty unhappy Rabbi folk...
Problem #2-PETA
They will likely side with the pro-lifers ideas and say that because the cells used "could" have resulted in a sentinet animal it is in effect killing the animal each time the cloning cycle is repeated.