Yes a few countries have thought about that. If the cost of software is so great and everybody uses pirated copies, why not just drop all gov legal protections.
The gov saves on token enforcement, balance of payments with gov software imports, gets the laws off the books and life goes on.
Nothing changes for the gov, tax base or people. The rest of the world can then claim that country won't enjoy the same protections for their exports of art, software and science.
Local traders sell the software at prices the locals can afford, the civil service saves some cash and locals get computer educated.
the image presented was spying on the Soviet Union, Soviet allies and neutral nations falling under Soviet influence. Add in keeping the codes safe and the US mil informed e.g. warning of a Tet Offensive.
For that they got quality funding and where able to attract the best staff per generation. Later it gets interesting with the CIA, private sector contractors and the domestic surveillance issues.
Echelon is 5 nations. Other countries e.g. Sweden's FRA helped. Germany's BND would give everything (all telco) within (~West) Germany to the NSA but knew it would never get anything back as a swap or deal that the Echelon nations enjoyed. Germany would be thanked in return via mil/signals projects.
Sweden and Switzerland had emerging commercial crypto exports and had to be contained too so gov deals where done.
Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Ethiopia, Libya, Kenya, Morocco, India and Pakistan all helped with aspects like spy plane flights, stations/sites/bases...at some time in different ways.
Anglosphere is a very unique term to use as the NSA and GCHQ where very open to other countries around the world. e.g. spy plane overflight deals, cell phones and commercial encryption export "weakening" from neutral and friendly nations where often repaid by the NSA and GCHQ in many different ways.
Staff from the 5 trusted nations worked very well in each others nations. But they all knew the USA could turn the data flow off at any time.
Different layers and deals depending on the decades and dictators, juntas, regimes, princes, free elections, crypto exports or location.
The NSA and GCHQ wanted the world as their own telco network. They got it all:)
What France can do is track words in real time in France on their Frenach phone system or internet - a bit like any other nation can internally with deep packet inspection.
An effective job would be getting human spies near leaders, press, mil and having total signals intelligence coverage too.
The US seems to have its crypto ENIGMA like 'win' but you can really only play that emerging telco/radio tech trick once.
What are the options?
The US totally fooled 35 nations signals intelligence teams 100% of the time for how many decades now?
Or the US was fed slight disinformation by 35 nations signals intelligence teams for many years.
Its rare for 35 other governments to be that ineffective. Most of their staff might be trained by the USA, enjoy the trips, shopping, further education, parties and defence projects. Enjoy the great speeches about 35 special relationships. When they get back home are they all going to sell out their nations?
Where are their spies? Its as if they just let their top political leaders stumble around the world stage as bait for the NSA. Congrats on the election win, here our tested 'safe' phone, fax machine. Use it a lot.
A vast pile of documents are then sent.
In some safe house an inner group of political leaders meet as another group of political suits 'act' on the world stage with their leaky phones.
Giving the NSA and US just what it wants/expects to hear?
All the same countries faced the same intercept threats from communists, fascism, their own press and political rivals yet show zero skill when using the US global telco networks?
Are all the signals intelligence staff of 35 nations really more loyal to the USA than their own leadership?
Or are we seeing 35 nations playing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Quicksilver_(WWII) with a US gov so entranced with its own intercept skills? With little to no human spies left for "reality" what is the US really gathering other than what 35 govs select to talk about on phones they know are junk.....
The main fear is the ip tracking and forum reading/web 2.0 surveillance. What more countries will offer is police and local low level bureaucrats court powers to watch, track and log via any national isp. As for 3d printing wait a year until new products with new tech are on sale as key patents slip.
The EU knew in 2001 "on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system)"
via http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep-fin.htm
EU NATO command would side with the US. Any "hint" at prosecuting anyone would result in the fall of a gov, early retirement or a perfect scandal until the domestic surveillance networks where safe. The courts would need the full protection of their respective security forces.
Think Poland ~ 1980 or around East Germany in 1988...
Well the EU telco staff now know. Its not legal and they have to pick a winning team and fast. What do a generation of cleared technicians, scientists, engineers and other graduates do working for their nations telcos?
Do what their legal system says or keep helping a nice 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' who visits from time to time with expensive splitting optical "work"?
Will that 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' protect them from their own internal security forces and any new investigations?
The work orders, files, hardware all exists. ID numbers and names are linked. It all depends on most nations internal security forces and their feelings towards their phones been tapped long term.
Will the 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' win the day or will the internal security forces start interviewing their nations top telco scientists and engineers?
Will the military intelligence services and foreign security forces take on their own and stop anything getting to the press?
If the 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' wins its domestic spying as usual - jobs and huge pensions stay. If the internal security forces win the public trials start.
In theory we did. The US/UK NATO crypto offers for friendly embassy use was junk from the 1950-90's. It kept the Soviets out but let the NSA and GCHQ in. The UK and US press often hinted at plain text from embassy intercepts over many years. How far back do you want to go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Mitchell_defection 1960? ..."practices the United States uses in gathering intelligence information... deliberately violating the airspace of other nations... intercepting and deciphering the secret communications of its own allies..."
Thanks to Snowden we have the history needed for the dreamy sock puppets. I saw one offer that the US does not really 'use' the info for finance or domestic political needs.
A huge change from its not possible, would never work, would be found out, the data sets are too large, the US brands would never help, the political and legal protections...:)
Surprised at how the NSA got so deep into France/EU and was able to take over their domestic telco system for generations.
For that you would need a Vichy "tech" to actively help and collaborate to hide foreign telco tech within France/EU.
The UK, Italy, Germany is understandalbe as client or defeated nations. France and other more tech savvy EU nations should have been able to understand their own internal (global) telco networks. How is the NSA getting all the data out? Is France and others looping the bulk of its calls via NSA friendly countries to save in domestic telco interconnect fees?
The US message back is http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57608909-83/intelligence-chief-le-mondes-allegations-against-nsa-false/
The French and other EU nations are just talking about weapons of mass destruction too much on the phone? Just a list of US/UK keywords and French people chatting on the phone the wrong way?
Yes they want to see the unique filesystems, the new thoughts on a simple OS that seem to alter as they are discovered. The NSA and CIA have told the world they watch, now they want to see the home brew solutions. How do we respond to been told we are all running ENIGMA....
I think some are hoping good codec plus 'time' via local storage will out pace and bandwidth limits of rotting telco copper, HFC until optical is ready. http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player
As people have hinted, go to a shop and look. 4K is really what 1080p 'should' have been finally years later. This will be great with new or cleaned up digital media.
Offer more cash and support ongoing education, you get the best people in any generation. Start going for cheap wages, gov spying deals and contractors and it gets interesting in many ways.
Cybersecurity is sold as protecting data but could mean helping track dissidents or build deep packet inspection.
The brand is a key factor too, if you are facing more congressional hearings or whistleblowers show you hawking your domestic surveillance skills to govs.
Also don't ask your staff to do mass surveillance. They know its wrong and won't be fooled by any paperwork, letters of immunity or work on a 'safe' list or 'white list' of nationals.
You also have skilled people who know what the 'brands' do internationally. The staff know their CV is going to connected to press about fines, bribes, slush funds, political intrigue, black sites and mass surveillance.
i.e. people can google the boss and brand. A new company or old, it all shows up even from the press from the 1980-90's...or later whistleblowers work.
The political leaders become addicted to the intel per election/generation. The US/UK has had this global insight for their top staff for a while. The GCHQ/NSA just keeps on collecting and the cleared political leaders just keep on reading the files they are given.
Cold you don't seem to understand that the waterboard is not OK under international law. What the US subjects its special forces and pilots does not change the legal definitions.
Snowden is slowly giving the world a look into the US economic and political aspect too. The "engage US citizens" aspect is well understood via historical events such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO.
The Russians and US test their nuke staff well to ensure they will press/turn key/enter codes when the correct order is given.
If they can't even close the doors, a lot of tax payers cash has been wasted on testing, profiles.
LOL cold, the existing subs are expensive, the Soviets/Russian know all about them and US needs wrt sub options are changing.
Running them is getting too costly. Refitting them is useless. The huge boondoggle fix for a buy/build new is in:)
Space and drones are the new high ground where the cash is flowing. Subs will be fun for special forces but that needs very careful builds, exotic new materials for next gen of subs:)
Cold its more a purge based on ideology covered by the US "pull out" of a few distant wars i.e. reducing staff.
You saw the 2 nuclear names go under strange conditions via the US press others fall under "security lapses".
A two-star general, Marine generals, a Rear Admiral... all in the US mil and US press over a short time.
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Yes a few countries have thought about that. If the cost of software is so great and everybody uses pirated copies, why not just drop all gov legal protections.
The gov saves on token enforcement, balance of payments with gov software imports, gets the laws off the books and life goes on.
Nothing changes for the gov, tax base or people. The rest of the world can then claim that country won't enjoy the same protections for their exports of art, software and science.
Local traders sell the software at prices the locals can afford, the civil service saves some cash and locals get computer educated.
the image presented was spying on the Soviet Union, Soviet allies and neutral nations falling under Soviet influence. Add in keeping the codes safe and the US mil informed e.g. warning of a Tet Offensive.
For that they got quality funding and where able to attract the best staff per generation. Later it gets interesting with the CIA, private sector contractors and the domestic surveillance issues.
Echelon is 5 nations. Other countries e.g. Sweden's FRA helped. Germany's BND would give everything (all telco) within (~West) Germany to the NSA but knew it would never get anything back as a swap or deal that the Echelon nations enjoyed. Germany would be thanked in return via mil/signals projects. :)
Sweden and Switzerland had emerging commercial crypto exports and had to be contained too so gov deals where done.
Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Ethiopia, Libya, Kenya, Morocco, India and Pakistan all helped with aspects like spy plane flights, stations/sites/bases...at some time in different ways.
Anglosphere is a very unique term to use as the NSA and GCHQ where very open to other countries around the world. e.g. spy plane overflight deals, cell phones and commercial encryption export "weakening" from neutral and friendly nations where often repaid by the NSA and GCHQ in many different ways.
Staff from the 5 trusted nations worked very well in each others nations. But they all knew the USA could turn the data flow off at any time.
Different layers and deals depending on the decades and dictators, juntas, regimes, princes, free elections, crypto exports or location.
The NSA and GCHQ wanted the world as their own telco network. They got it all
What France can do is track words in real time in France on their Frenach phone system or internet - a bit like any other nation can internally with deep packet inspection.
An effective job would be getting human spies near leaders, press, mil and having total signals intelligence coverage too.
The US seems to have its crypto ENIGMA like 'win' but you can really only play that emerging telco/radio tech trick once.
What are the options?
The US totally fooled 35 nations signals intelligence teams 100% of the time for how many decades now?
Or the US was fed slight disinformation by 35 nations signals intelligence teams for many years.
Its rare for 35 other governments to be that ineffective. Most of their staff might be trained by the USA, enjoy the trips, shopping, further education, parties and defence projects. Enjoy the great speeches about 35 special relationships. When they get back home are they all going to sell out their nations?
Where are their spies? Its as if they just let their top political leaders stumble around the world stage as bait for the NSA. Congrats on the election win, here our tested 'safe' phone, fax machine. Use it a lot.
A vast pile of documents are then sent.
In some safe house an inner group of political leaders meet as another group of political suits 'act' on the world stage with their leaky phones.
Giving the NSA and US just what it wants/expects to hear?
All the same countries faced the same intercept threats from communists, fascism, their own press and political rivals yet show zero skill when using the US global telco networks?
Are all the signals intelligence staff of 35 nations really more loyal to the USA than their own leadership?
Or are we seeing 35 nations playing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Quicksilver_(WWII) with a US gov so entranced with its own intercept skills? With little to no human spies left for "reality" what is the US really gathering other than what 35 govs select to talk about on phones they know are junk.....
The main fear is the ip tracking and forum reading/web 2.0 surveillance. What more countries will offer is police and local low level bureaucrats court powers to watch, track and log via any national isp. As for 3d printing wait a year until new products with new tech are on sale as key patents slip.
Cold even their own docs http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131019/02322924936/accidentally-revealed-document-shows-tsa-doesnt-think-terrorists-are-plotting-to-attack-airplanes.shtml show the world has moved on :)
Thats why for this generation+ you pay and enjoy your games with NVIDIA. Next generation it might be worth saving some cash again.
Think of it as keeping EU tourist cash from propping up Cuba.
The EU knew in 2001 "on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system)" via http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep-fin.htm
Yes UK/US magazines and books where hinting at much from public news by the late 1970's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puzzle_Palace was ~1982.
EU NATO command would side with the US. Any "hint" at prosecuting anyone would result in the fall of a gov, early retirement or a perfect scandal until the domestic surveillance networks where safe.
The courts would need the full protection of their respective security forces.
Think Poland ~ 1980 or around East Germany in 1988...
Well the EU telco staff now know. Its not legal and they have to pick a winning team and fast. What do a generation of cleared technicians, scientists, engineers and other graduates do working for their nations telcos?
Do what their legal system says or keep helping a nice 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' who visits from time to time with expensive splitting optical "work"?
Will that 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' protect them from their own internal security forces and any new investigations?
The work orders, files, hardware all exists. ID numbers and names are linked. It all depends on most nations internal security forces and their feelings towards their phones been tapped long term.
Will the 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' win the day or will the internal security forces start interviewing their nations top telco scientists and engineers?
Will the military intelligence services and foreign security forces take on their own and stop anything getting to the press?
If the 'general', 'political leader', 'boss' wins its domestic spying as usual - jobs and huge pensions stay. If the internal security forces win the public trials start.
In theory we did. The US/UK NATO crypto offers for friendly embassy use was junk from the 1950-90's. It kept the Soviets out but let the NSA and GCHQ in. The UK and US press often hinted at plain text from embassy intercepts over many years. How far back do you want to go:
..."practices the United States uses in gathering intelligence information ... deliberately violating the airspace of other nations ... intercepting and deciphering the secret communications of its own allies ..." ...:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Mitchell_defection 1960?
Thanks to Snowden we have the history needed for the dreamy sock puppets. I saw one offer that the US does not really 'use' the info for finance or domestic political needs.
A huge change from its not possible, would never work, would be found out, the data sets are too large, the US brands would never help, the political and legal protections
Surprised at how the NSA got so deep into France/EU and was able to take over their domestic telco system for generations.
For that you would need a Vichy "tech" to actively help and collaborate to hide foreign telco tech within France/EU.
The UK, Italy, Germany is understandalbe as client or defeated nations. France and other more tech savvy EU nations should have been able to understand their own internal (global) telco networks. How is the NSA getting all the data out?
Is France and others looping the bulk of its calls via NSA friendly countries to save in domestic telco interconnect fees?
The US message back is http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57608909-83/intelligence-chief-le-mondes-allegations-against-nsa-false/
The French and other EU nations are just talking about weapons of mass destruction too much on the phone? Just a list of US/UK keywords and French people chatting on the phone the wrong way?
Yes they want to see the unique filesystems, the new thoughts on a simple OS that seem to alter as they are discovered. The NSA and CIA have told the world they watch, now they want to see the home brew solutions. How do we respond to been told we are all running ENIGMA....
The gift of been an insider later in life. You get your name in the system and are guided up the gov contracting structure.
I think some are hoping good codec plus 'time' via local storage will out pace and bandwidth limits of rotting telco copper, HFC until optical is ready.
http://www.red.com/store/products/redray-player
As people have hinted, go to a shop and look. 4K is really what 1080p 'should' have been finally years later. This will be great with new or cleaned up digital media.
Offer more cash and support ongoing education, you get the best people in any generation. Start going for cheap wages, gov spying deals and contractors and it gets interesting in many ways.
Cybersecurity is sold as protecting data but could mean helping track dissidents or build deep packet inspection.
The brand is a key factor too, if you are facing more congressional hearings or whistleblowers show you hawking your domestic surveillance skills to govs. Also don't ask your staff to do mass surveillance. They know its wrong and won't be fooled by any paperwork, letters of immunity or work on a 'safe' list or 'white list' of nationals.
You also have skilled people who know what the 'brands' do internationally. The staff know their CV is going to connected to press about fines, bribes, slush funds, political intrigue, black sites and mass surveillance.
i.e. people can google the boss and brand. A new company or old, it all shows up even from the press from the 1980-90's...or later whistleblowers work.
The political leaders become addicted to the intel per election/generation. The US/UK has had this global insight for their top staff for a while. The GCHQ/NSA just keeps on collecting and the cleared political leaders just keep on reading the files they are given.
Cold you don't seem to understand that the waterboard is not OK under international law. What the US subjects its special forces and pilots does not change the legal definitions.
Snowden is slowly giving the world a look into the US economic and political aspect too. The "engage US citizens" aspect is well understood via historical events such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO.
The Russians and US test their nuke staff well to ensure they will press/turn key/enter codes when the correct order is given.
If they can't even close the doors, a lot of tax payers cash has been wasted on testing, profiles.
LOL cold, the existing subs are expensive, the Soviets/Russian know all about them and US needs wrt sub options are changing. :) :)
Running them is getting too costly. Refitting them is useless. The huge boondoggle fix for a buy/build new is in
Space and drones are the new high ground where the cash is flowing. Subs will be fun for special forces but that needs very careful builds, exotic new materials for next gen of subs
Cold its more a purge based on ideology covered by the US "pull out" of a few distant wars i.e. reducing staff .
You saw the 2 nuclear names go under strange conditions via the US press others fall under "security lapses".
A two-star general, Marine generals, a Rear Admiral... all in the US mil and US press over a short time.