Many of them are or may be working as security consultants full-time. The fact they post or run web sites doesn't make them black-hat nor does it mean that they are engaged in criminal activities. John Vranesevich or whatever his name is has repeatedly gone on crusades against "competing" security sites. The end result is not just a couple of 15 year old kids getting in trouble with their parents, it is the ruin of people's careers. John is, for some idiot reason, regarded as a "trusted" security expert (apparently). This puts him in a position of some responsibility. This is not a tedious argument between haxxors but an attempt to ruin the careers of others. gid-foo
love our families too hard sometimes... What exactly does this mean? Whatever it is, it sounds illegal and should be reported to the police. Maybe you should ease off on the coffee and keep the pimp hand in check. gid-foo
I hear that brother (or sister). Once I get to the point where I can live off the interest (in spades) then I am here until someone fucks with me. The next time the VP of engineering starts yelling I'm going to shove his head up his ass and walk out the door. Anyone notice how VP's of engineering tend to be total bozos, like they were from the original crew of programmers and they were the most brain dead one, but they manage to stab everyone else in the back to get to the top or they get promoted away from doing any work... gid-foo
Does anyone know where I can get a poster or t-shirt with Knuth on it? I would also like to get one with rms and various other geek superstars. gid-foo
That's what religion is all about isn't it? Faith? At a certain point there is a leap that must be taken. If you require an answer to the question of "Why" the only answer will be faith based (whatever religion you may be talking about, science, christianity, buddhism etc). For some of us it is an absurd question (and we are in an absurd position because we are capable of asking it). There are plenty of intelligent people whose faith and belief have been deeply challenged and having confronted these issues (like Job) have come back to their belief in God. I think as scientists, engineers, human beings we need to respect others attempts to understand a world that is essentially alien from us (whether that explanation is you calculus text book, the Bible, the Enuma Elish, the Bhagavad-Gita/Upanishads, Koran, etc). gid-foo
Ummm you forgot to mention that we spend billions on this 'Star Wars' jargon. A product, as you say, we never had. Excellent Reagan gives us the brings the national debt in the trillions, really goes gung-ho into messing around with all that money we pay every pay period to have something for the future (social security I think), is involved in money/drug/guns deals with terrorists, arranges to essentially have the hostages held in Iran until Jimmy Carter gets out of office (what a hero!) and lied to the American people consistently ('America has no homeless problem' anyone remember that one). And conservatives try to go into their little fantasy police state rat hole and claim he was a great president? gid-foo
It seems like God would be most interested in producing the weakest life form he could just to prove his incredible diesel life style. This behavior is continuously shown in the old testament (check out the book of judges, story of Gideon, my namesake for a fine example). That he could say, "you are a puny pathetic race and without me you would be nothing." And we would have to say, "Fair enough." Just to be somewhat realistic (if that's even possible in a conversation where the existence of God is pretty much assumed) the whole business makes 0 sense. That's why all you true believers out there have that mysterious quantity "faith." The ones who got hit bad might have even got the all-too-common disease "fundamentalism." Having neither of these qualities, nor a belief in a rational universe, I believe that this whole thing is patently ridiculous (I mean life). Also God doesn't think about anything, it or he or whatever is God. Omniscient and omnipotent are the rules of the day. Who needs to think when you not only know but are the past,present and future.
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Many of them are or may be working as security consultants full-time. The fact they post or run web sites doesn't make them black-hat nor does it mean that they are engaged in criminal activities. John Vranesevich or whatever his name is has repeatedly gone on crusades against "competing" security sites. The end result is not just a couple of 15 year old kids getting in trouble with their parents, it is the ruin of people's careers. John is, for some idiot reason, regarded as a "trusted" security expert (apparently). This puts him in a position of some responsibility. This is not a tedious argument between haxxors but an attempt to ruin the careers of others. gid-foo
love our families too hard sometimes... What exactly does this mean? Whatever it is, it sounds illegal and should be reported to the police. Maybe you should ease off on the coffee and keep the pimp hand in check. gid-foo
I hear that brother (or sister). Once I get to the point where I can live off the interest (in spades) then I am here until someone fucks with me. The next time the VP of engineering starts yelling I'm going to shove his head up his ass and walk out the door. Anyone notice how VP's of engineering tend to be total bozos, like they were from the original crew of programmers and they were the most brain dead one, but they manage to stab everyone else in the back to get to the top or they get promoted away from doing any work... gid-foo
Does anyone know where I can get a poster or t-shirt with Knuth on it? I would also like to get one with rms and various other geek superstars. gid-foo
That's what religion is all about isn't it? Faith? At a certain point there is a leap that must be taken. If you require an answer to the question of "Why" the only answer will be faith based (whatever religion you may be talking about, science, christianity, buddhism etc). For some of us it is an absurd question (and we are in an absurd position because we are capable of asking it). There are plenty of intelligent people whose faith and belief have been deeply challenged and having confronted these issues (like Job) have come back to their belief in God. I think as scientists, engineers, human beings we need to respect others attempts to understand a world that is essentially alien from us (whether that explanation is you calculus text book, the Bible, the Enuma Elish, the Bhagavad-Gita/Upanishads, Koran, etc). gid-foo
Ceçi n'est pas une pipe.
Ummm you forgot to mention that we spend billions on this 'Star Wars' jargon. A product, as you say, we never had. Excellent Reagan gives us the brings the national debt in the trillions, really goes gung-ho into messing around with all that money we pay every pay period to have something for the future (social security I think), is involved in money/drug/guns deals with terrorists, arranges to essentially have the hostages held in Iran until Jimmy Carter gets out of office (what a hero!) and lied to the American people consistently ('America has no homeless problem' anyone remember that one). And conservatives try to go into their little fantasy police state rat hole and claim he was a great president? gid-foo
It seems like God would be most interested in producing the weakest life form he could just to prove his incredible diesel life style. This behavior is continuously shown in the old testament (check out the book of judges, story of Gideon, my namesake for a fine example). That he could say, "you are a puny pathetic race and without me you would be nothing." And we would have to say, "Fair enough." Just to be somewhat realistic (if that's even possible in a conversation where the existence of God is pretty much assumed) the whole business makes 0 sense. That's why all you true believers out there have that mysterious quantity "faith." The ones who got hit bad might have even got the all-too-common disease "fundamentalism." Having neither of these qualities, nor a belief in a rational universe, I believe that this whole thing is patently ridiculous (I mean life). Also God doesn't think about anything, it or he or whatever is God. Omniscient and omnipotent are the rules of the day. Who needs to think when you not only know but are the past,present and future.