We have converted to Ubuntu for all computers in our house now, and the only reason I'm looking elsewhere is for a stable and *easy to use* digital video editing solution. Surprising really, given the amount of video people record lately.
The hopeful projects are Kdenlive (still seems immature), and Cinelerra (can't for the life of me get it to install/run). Kino isn't an option, as you can't include still images.
With DV editing, Linux would indeed be desktop ready.
Of course don't let the fact that you can re-use code in pretty much any programming language spoil your glow of Java-loving pride...
Right, so I can take something written in PHP and make a gui application out of it?
You'll probably come back and say you meant a real programming language. How many web sites are made using C/C++ these days? How many gui programs are made using Perl, or Ruby? How cross-platform is all that.Net stuff?
What other languages other than Java and Python allow for code re-use in such varied environments? No sarcasm intended with this question - please, by all means, educate me!
I am a fledgling java developer, and so far I'm loving it! Every time I hear about the advances Sun is making towards GPLing java, the more I feel justified in taking the time to learn java.
I came into this business from a bit of a back door (although I suspect it to be a common back door these days). I started with spaghetti code PHP, moved to OOP php with php4, then php5. I am now quite frustrated by the partial OOP implementation of php5, as I develop more complex applications. I become even more frustrated with PHP the more I learn about java. The type safety at compile time makes it far easier to develop bug-free code. Method overloading is problematic in php, I usually end up implementing a single function with all sorts of optional arguments, and checks to determine whether a particular parameter is an array.
Additionally, Java gives me code re-use at it's ultimate. For instance, I write a single been that updates our LDAP; I then use that bean in a JSF web application, in a batch program running on an an IBM iSeries, in a command line application on Linux, and most recently in a Swing application. Having written the bean once when developing the first application, I never had to write a single LDAP query when developing my latter applications. Any bugs I find in the bean from one of the apps means the bug gets fixed for all the other apps.
Not to mention that I do my development on my Mac, and deploy software across our organization to Windows and Linux desktops.
Alternately, you could use a DOS/Linux box as a fileserver. They also sell consumer NAS devices that are essentially the same thing but prepackaged.
Just to be clear, what is being suggested is to use a fileserver to get around the limited drive space in Macs, correct?
So what's the performance of a Fileserver setup going to be like for video editing? I currently use a NFS/Samba fileserver at home, and I notice my Mac won't produce thumbnails for non-local drives. So how is the Mac going to behave when editing video on a remote drive? It's not going to insist on caching everyhting locally is it?
I wholeheartedly agree. We currently just switched from XP to Ubuntu at home, and I use a Mac laptop for work. My wife fell in love with iMovie/iDVD when we made our DVD last year, and I've been looking like mad to find a solution to keep us on Ubuntu, otherwise I'll have to by a *expensive* mac for home use.
The most promising apps so far seem to be Kino, KDEnlive, Cinelerra. Kino is unusable because we can't seem to add still images into the movie, KDEnlive is still very early in it's development, and I can't get Cinelerra to run on my Ubuntu Feisty installation, it just coredumps every time I run it.
On the other hand, what really concerns me about going with a Mac for this is the minimal drive space they come with. With each digital tape taking up 30 Gb, how am I supposed to fit all those on the small Mac drives. And they are rather limited in terms of expansion slots (except for the Power Mac which isn't an option). It seems one has to go with external drives, where I worry about performance when doing video editing.
I'm putting off the decision, waiting for Ubuntu to properly package KDEnlive and/or Cinelerra. Then I can at least evaluate the apps and decide if iMovie/iDvd is really the only route to go.
One final point, I wouldn't mind paying for Vegas, Premiere, or one of the other big boys, if only they would offer a Linux version!
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Digital Video Editing - hands down.
We have converted to Ubuntu for all computers in our house now, and the only reason I'm looking elsewhere is for a stable and *easy to use* digital video editing solution. Surprising really, given the amount of video people record lately.
The hopeful projects are Kdenlive (still seems immature), and Cinelerra (can't for the life of me get it to install/run). Kino isn't an option, as you can't include still images.
With DV editing, Linux would indeed be desktop ready.
Right, so I can take something written in PHP and make a gui application out of it?
You'll probably come back and say you meant a real programming language. How many web sites are made using C/C++ these days? How many gui programs are made using Perl, or Ruby? How cross-platform is all that .Net stuff?
What other languages other than Java and Python allow for code re-use in such varied environments? No sarcasm intended with this question - please, by all means, educate me!
I am a fledgling java developer, and so far I'm loving it! Every time I hear about the advances Sun is making towards GPLing java, the more I feel justified in taking the time to learn java.
I came into this business from a bit of a back door (although I suspect it to be a common back door these days). I started with spaghetti code PHP, moved to OOP php with php4, then php5. I am now quite frustrated by the partial OOP implementation of php5, as I develop more complex applications. I become even more frustrated with PHP the more I learn about java. The type safety at compile time makes it far easier to develop bug-free code. Method overloading is problematic in php, I usually end up implementing a single function with all sorts of optional arguments, and checks to determine whether a particular parameter is an array.
Additionally, Java gives me code re-use at it's ultimate. For instance, I write a single been that updates our LDAP; I then use that bean in a JSF web application, in a batch program running on an an IBM iSeries, in a command line application on Linux, and most recently in a Swing application. Having written the bean once when developing the first application, I never had to write a single LDAP query when developing my latter applications. Any bugs I find in the bean from one of the apps means the bug gets fixed for all the other apps.
Not to mention that I do my development on my Mac, and deploy software across our organization to Windows and Linux desktops.
Write once run anywhere for sure - I'm sold!
Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking to hear. Thanks for the reply :P
Just to be clear, what is being suggested is to use a fileserver to get around the limited drive space in Macs, correct?
So what's the performance of a Fileserver setup going to be like for video editing? I currently use a NFS/Samba fileserver at home, and I notice my Mac won't produce thumbnails for non-local drives. So how is the Mac going to behave when editing video on a remote drive? It's not going to insist on caching everyhting locally is it?
I wholeheartedly agree. We currently just switched from XP to Ubuntu at home, and I use a Mac laptop for work. My wife fell in love with iMovie/iDVD when we made our DVD last year, and I've been looking like mad to find a solution to keep us on Ubuntu, otherwise I'll have to by a *expensive* mac for home use.
The most promising apps so far seem to be Kino, KDEnlive, Cinelerra. Kino is unusable because we can't seem to add still images into the movie, KDEnlive is still very early in it's development, and I can't get Cinelerra to run on my Ubuntu Feisty installation, it just coredumps every time I run it.
On the other hand, what really concerns me about going with a Mac for this is the minimal drive space they come with. With each digital tape taking up 30 Gb, how am I supposed to fit all those on the small Mac drives. And they are rather limited in terms of expansion slots (except for the Power Mac which isn't an option). It seems one has to go with external drives, where I worry about performance when doing video editing.
I'm putting off the decision, waiting for Ubuntu to properly package KDEnlive and/or Cinelerra. Then I can at least evaluate the apps and decide if iMovie/iDvd is really the only route to go.
One final point, I wouldn't mind paying for Vegas, Premiere, or one of the other big boys, if only they would offer a Linux version!
-- Mozilla is not a corporate product. It is a community project and as such it is
Truly long before the Mozilla corporation was envisioned!-- not in competition with anything other than itself. Regardless of whether or
-- not "the corporate world" makes use of it, mozilla development will continue for
-- as long as the community is interested and at the rate the community contributes.
-- Mozilla developers are not corporate employees. They are volunteers and as such
-- they do not contribute to mozilla for the sake of making money. Regardless of
-- "where the money is," mozilla developers will continue to contribute for as long
-- as they are interested and at whatever rate they desire.