The machine has no fucking clue about what it is translating.
Neither do you, it's just an illusion caused by a simple computer called the brain. Everything you think you know about yourself is an illusion. You do not make decisions, you do not have free will, your are nothing special. You are a biochemical computer that is 100% deterministic. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true.
This is wholly beside the point. Even if I am deterministic, any human translator understands the text he is translating to a quite large degree, or else nobody will bother with him. The best translation machines understand exactly 0%
Q: if there was a human dumb savant who could translate instantly between multiple languages, though without understanding how he did it (think Rainman), would you say he was not intelligent? Why? What is intelligence? We are inconsistent - we praise humans as intelligent when they can perform some complex algorithm well (chess), and yet as soon as a computer beats a human, or all humans, we denigrate the task as "not intelligence". Often the reason is "just an algorithm", but as a neuroscientist knows, that is a poor excuse - it's algorithms all the way down.
Yeah, we have no idea what constitutes intelligence either. Got any other old news?
Anyway, my post was not about "without understanding how he did it" but knowing what the translator is doing, how a sense of self relates to this, the history of the text in question and its context, the context oft he content itself (without which is appears impossible to translate even remotely correctly, as Google Translators mindless efforts seem to be showing), the context of the media, and many other aspects or translation process and translation material.
The machine has no fucking clue about what it is translating. Not the media, not the content, not even what to and from which languages it is translating (other than a variable somewhere, which is not "knowing". None whatsoever. Until it does, it has nothing to do with AI in the sense of TAFA. (The alarmist fucking article)
I'm not sure what you're arguing. I didn't say it's impossible. I agree with "You need to understand something before you can be sure it is impossible to do", but just as much you need to understand something before you can say it's inevitable that it will be built, and that was the point I made.
They produce them, they are not building them. It's obvious that brains can exist, but we have no clue how despite our advances so far. And if we figure out how it could be some kind of quantum stuff that makes it just as impossible for us, for any foreseeable time, as building galaxies is - which also were produced.
In germany prime does not include streaming instant video. For that amazon has a separate service called lovefilm.de which does netflix style DVD delivery and instant streaming.
Can't argue with that, and I'm not saying that a bit of gold as part of financial security portfolio is necessarily worthless. My point is directed toward those who support gold hoarding for the event of economic meltdown, war, and the like.
I lost interest in bitcoin roughly a minute after I read about it first, when I realized that the first people to build large mining rigs would be our new overlords. That's not better than all the land being owned by landed gentry for centuries.
The problem with installing flavor A and then apt-getting DE B is always that you end up with a gazillion different utilities which clutter up your menus and are confusing even to the seasoned linux user. You can do it, and it may be reasonable if you are evaluating DEs prior to a decision, but it's not pretty. Given Ubuntu's targets they are doing it right IMHO.
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I can't, neither can computer scientists. Part of the problem.
No it's not, see other reply
The machine has no fucking clue about what it is translating.
Neither do you, it's just an illusion caused by a simple computer called the brain. Everything you think you know about yourself is an illusion. You do not make decisions, you do not have free will, your are nothing special. You are a biochemical computer that is 100% deterministic. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true.
This is wholly beside the point. Even if I am deterministic, any human translator understands the text he is translating to a quite large degree, or else nobody will bother with him. The best translation machines understand exactly 0%
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Q: if there was a human dumb savant who could translate instantly between multiple languages, though without understanding how he did it (think Rainman), would you say he was not intelligent? Why? What is intelligence? We are inconsistent - we praise humans as intelligent when they can perform some complex algorithm well (chess), and yet as soon as a computer beats a human, or all humans, we denigrate the task as "not intelligence". Often the reason is "just an algorithm", but as a neuroscientist knows, that is a poor excuse - it's algorithms all the way down.
Yeah, we have no idea what constitutes intelligence either. Got any other old news?
Anyway, my post was not about "without understanding how he did it" but knowing what the translator is doing, how a sense of self relates to this, the history of the text in question and its context, the context oft he content itself (without which is appears impossible to translate even remotely correctly, as Google Translators mindless efforts seem to be showing), the context of the media, and many other aspects or translation process and translation material.
The machine has no fucking clue about what it is translating. Not the media, not the content, not even what to and from which languages it is translating (other than a variable somewhere, which is not "knowing". None whatsoever. Until it does, it has nothing to do with AI in the sense of TAFA. (The alarmist fucking article)
I'm not sure what you're arguing. I didn't say it's impossible. I agree with "You need to understand
something before you can be sure it is
impossible to do", but just as much you need to understand something before you can say it's inevitable that it will be built, and that was the point I made.
No, we can't "build" one at this time. We fuck and then it builds itself.
They produce them, they are not building them. It's obvious that brains can exist, but we have no clue how despite our advances so far. And if we figure out how it could be some kind of quantum stuff that makes it just as impossible for us, for any foreseeable time, as building galaxies is - which also were produced.
OK, but same could be true for brains, no?
True, but not very practical. Nothing is physics prevents us from building our own galaxy, either. Does that mean it's inevitable?
n/t
In germany prime does not include streaming instant video. For that amazon has a separate service called lovefilm.de which does netflix style DVD delivery and instant streaming.
I see, thanks
Just FYI
You would not feel uneasy if there was research into churning out industrially cloned identical twins?
I'm not talking of the 500 now, but of where the whole thing shall lead to.
If you have issues with cloning then you probably should have issues with identical twins.
I would have issues with identical twins if they were industrially produced (and to be eaten no less) and posed a thread to non-cloned reproduction.
Please let me know where you live so that I can avoid the place.
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Can't argue with that, and I'm not saying that a bit of gold as part of financial security portfolio is necessarily worthless. My point is directed toward those who support gold hoarding for the event of economic meltdown, war, and the like.
Exactly, it makes no difference. When the gold is gone for the first loaf, you are back to fists for the second.
I lost interest in bitcoin roughly a minute after I read about it first, when I realized that the first people to build large mining rigs would be our new overlords. That's not better than all the land being owned by landed gentry for centuries.
In the worst case you will give your gold to anyone who trades it for a loaf of bread.
The problem with installing flavor A and then apt-getting DE B is always that you end up with a gazillion different utilities which clutter up your menus and are confusing even to the seasoned linux user. You can do it, and it may be reasonable if you are evaluating DEs prior to a decision, but it's not pretty. Given Ubuntu's targets they are doing it right IMHO.
Ever heard of NoScript? No, didn't think so.
Please hand in your geek card on the way out, thanks!
I'm using NoScript and it's a pain in the ass to do so.
Seems like an overkill solution considering that the problem never occurred.