"The day Bush uses his shoe as a gavel, then we know we are doomed"
History does repeat itself. Just a couple of weeks ago, I saw the Great Father of the Peoples of South America (Hugo Chavez) give a speech on C-SPAN. He actually said that he would bury the United States. Oddly enough, he kept his shoes on. Maybe just so no one would cause him Shoeless 'Go.
I think we slashdotted your census link: it does not work. Regardless, the founders were full aware of the variation and depth of population disparity of the states and future states. Given this, there is no reason to think that they would have considered 100:1 to be some unrealistic unthinkable balance. After all, just recently in their history Virginia and Georgia had such an imbalance.
"No. The existence of standards is what makes an OS and its associated applications useable"
No, usability, even if it means breaking restrictive standards, is what makes an OS and its associated applications usable. The early Adobe apps which helped make desktop publishing a "killer app" on the Macintosh broke Apple's strict menu and UI standards. Adobe knew they had to violate the scriptures handed down by the ayatollahs of Apple OS morality, and they helped everyone involved by doing so. Even Apple.
"but is it really so much better that doing it your way will make things easier for users even though your program doesn't behave the way they expect it to?"
If it really is so much better, then the choice should be made to make it easier. There is "value in consistency of interface conventions and reusability of paradigms", but there is also value in recognizing when there is a better way that breaks paradigm. There's even more value in knowing when the standards are a strength to be kept or when they are a burden to user and designer. Both happen.
" The US are turning faster and faster into everything I hated about the communist system."
We don't yet have slackjawed leaders with eyebrows that look like sewn-on welcome mats, waiting queue line 2 days just to get a box of powdered milk, and the glory of yearly weapon parades on mainstreet. Also, Bush does not yet get in a snit if you don't introduce him as The Great Father of All the Peoples. But we're working on it, give us SOME credit. We're also working hard to get rid of that pesky "freedom on the Internet" thing, but some $#@##@.||.--@.. NO CARRIER
"So what are you suggesting as an alternative?"
Space him if you have spaceships with working airlocks. Barring that, keelhauling will do just fine. Arrrr!
Quite relevant. Look at Virginia to Georgia in the 1740s (recent history to them) with a 90:1 ratio. That's close enough to the 100:1 modern CA:WY ratio. When the founders came up with the electoral college and senate idea, they were well aware of the difference in populations among the Colonies. They were also aware that the Union might eventually expand westward. Low-population Tennessee and Kentucky were admitted in the 1790s.
Compare the population of Virginia to Tennessee in 1770. The disparity was 447:1: significantly greater than that between modern California and Wyoming.
(I know they didn't count slaves or likely Indians either. But these was the population picture they were looking at at the time: this is what they considered for voting and representation).
"All third parties represent the interests of far more people than actually vote for them"
Every party claims that. The real proof is whether or not someone will vote for the party. That is the most accurate measure of support. If the third parties want more votes, they should broaden their appeal beyond the extremely tiny base.
"Please refrain from comparing copyright infringement with theft"
At first, I thought he was trotting out the lie that copyright infringement = theft, but rereading his post, the word "theft" appeared to be contained inside his car-stereo analogy, and was not being used to equate theft with what the DVD downloader was doing. The subject of my response is a typical statement by one of these trolls (complete with the incorrect spelling).
We have enough of those trolls already who toss off-topic words like "stealing" and "theft" into every copyright-infringement discussion thread without falsely identifying them.
If these things become common, I'll just have to learn to quickly dig into settings to turn the feature, just as I already do for touchpads that have the "feature" that misinterprets accidentally bumping your finger on the scroll area as a click or drag.
"What about those of us living in 'blue' states, who want to vote 'green'? Our votes already don't matter. Something drastic needs to happen"
You mean the Green Party, which represents the interests of about 1 or 2 percent of the voters and manages to catch this percentage in elections? I don't think anything "drastic" needs to be done in regards to the Green Party either way.
I see it has "Squeeze to Expose"? What exactly does this mean? Does this mean you have to be extra careful holding the mouse, because if you hold it just a little too tight, it will go into some other mode? I've tried similar PC mice and they were impossible to use because you no longer had the freedom to just hold the mouse.
"one of Apple's reasons for having a default of one-button (Macs have supported multi-button mice, and programs for graphic designers, etc.) is to ensure that software designers didn't hide functionality behind right-clicks, etc"
That's not the best attitude toward software designers, especially when the designers need the flexibility to deliver the best user experience. Shouldn't they leave such moral decisions ("Nothing in right mouse clicks!" to designers and users?
Is bluetooth such an energy hog that it needs two AA batteries to send moose X,Y coords and button clicks for a distance of a few feet?
Why not something similar to one of those shake-and-glow flashlights? A tiny battery charge from some kinetic motion device (like in the flashlights) or a tiny roller that is only there as a sort of generator?
I've used cordless mice before, and the function was perfect compared to a corded mouse. Can't imagine what bluetooth would improve! However, the cordless mice I've used have been a little fat and heavy due to batteries. If this Apple mouse has to contain two AA batteries as well (can't check: the link is dead), so is this another fatmouse?
Thanks for providing an excellent example of the non-sequitur attack where one person points out the fact that two different things are two different things, and the next person says "oh! You are trying to justify one of them!"
"Actually, it's more like the folks at Mars replaced the proteins in the peanuts with a kind that could be converted to a toxin..."
Those fiends! They'll destroy us for sure. I always knew they were plotting to get revenge for the humiliation when we stopped their vast deathray-tripod army 100 years ago just by sneezing on them.
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Last time I knew, Bush had dispensed with wearing shoes altogether. Rather confining to his prehensile feet.
Their chance are pretty close to their appeal. However, you just can't mandate or legislate popularity.
(I agree with and like your SIG, by the way, but was inspired by it to base mine on even worse examples in both fields).
"The day Bush uses his shoe as a gavel, then we know we are doomed"
History does repeat itself. Just a couple of weeks ago, I saw the Great Father of the Peoples of South America (Hugo Chavez) give a speech on C-SPAN. He actually said that he would bury the United States. Oddly enough, he kept his shoes on. Maybe just so no one would cause him Shoeless 'Go.
I think we slashdotted your census link: it does not work. Regardless, the founders were full aware of the variation and depth of population disparity of the states and future states. Given this, there is no reason to think that they would have considered 100:1 to be some unrealistic unthinkable balance. After all, just recently in their history Virginia and Georgia had such an imbalance.
"No. The existence of standards is what makes an OS and its associated applications useable"
No, usability, even if it means breaking restrictive standards, is what makes an OS and its associated applications usable. The early Adobe apps which helped make desktop publishing a "killer app" on the Macintosh broke Apple's strict menu and UI standards. Adobe knew they had to violate the scriptures handed down by the ayatollahs of Apple OS morality, and they helped everyone involved by doing so. Even Apple.
"but is it really so much better that doing it your way will make things easier for users even though your program doesn't behave the way they expect it to?"
If it really is so much better, then the choice should be made to make it easier. There is "value in consistency of interface conventions and reusability of paradigms", but there is also value in recognizing when there is a better way that breaks paradigm. There's even more value in knowing when the standards are a strength to be kept or when they are a burden to user and designer. Both happen.
" The US are turning faster and faster into everything I hated about the communist system."
We don't yet have slackjawed leaders with eyebrows that look like sewn-on welcome mats, waiting queue line 2 days just to get a box of powdered milk, and the glory of yearly weapon parades on mainstreet. Also, Bush does not yet get in a snit if you don't introduce him as The Great Father of All the Peoples. But we're working on it, give us SOME credit. We're also working hard to get rid of that pesky "freedom on the Internet" thing, but some $#@##@.||.--@.. NO CARRIER
"So what are you suggesting as an alternative?" Space him if you have spaceships with working airlocks. Barring that, keelhauling will do just fine. Arrrr!
Quite relevant. Look at Virginia to Georgia in the 1740s (recent history to them) with a 90:1 ratio. That's close enough to the 100:1 modern CA:WY ratio. When the founders came up with the electoral college and senate idea, they were well aware of the difference in populations among the Colonies. They were also aware that the Union might eventually expand westward. Low-population Tennessee and Kentucky were admitted in the 1790s.
" don't think they anticipated our disparity in state populations. I think the ratio between California and Wyoming is close to 100:1."
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This sort of thing is easy to check. Look at this page of population stats:
http://merrill.olm.net/mdocs/pop/colonies/colonie
Compare the population of Virginia to Tennessee in 1770. The disparity was 447:1: significantly greater than that between modern California and Wyoming. (I know they didn't count slaves or likely Indians either. But these was the population picture they were looking at at the time: this is what they considered for voting and representation).
Do you know of any good deals on eBay? I need to get a bluenose moose for my Dull lapdog copmuter.
"All third parties represent the interests of far more people than actually vote for them"
Every party claims that. The real proof is whether or not someone will vote for the party. That is the most accurate measure of support. If the third parties want more votes, they should broaden their appeal beyond the extremely tiny base.
"Please refrain from comparing copyright infringement with theft"
At first, I thought he was trotting out the lie that copyright infringement = theft, but rereading his post, the word "theft" appeared to be contained inside his car-stereo analogy, and was not being used to equate theft with what the DVD downloader was doing. The subject of my response is a typical statement by one of these trolls (complete with the incorrect spelling).
We have enough of those trolls already who toss off-topic words like "stealing" and "theft" into every copyright-infringement discussion thread without falsely identifying them.
"A good way that elected Bush."
So, is this reform needed, then to cut one party down and give another party advantage?
Of all things, to make a typo about MOOSE clicks. so sorry.
If these things become common, I'll just have to learn to quickly dig into settings to turn the feature, just as I already do for touchpads that have the "feature" that misinterprets accidentally bumping your finger on the scroll area as a click or drag.
"What about those of us living in 'blue' states, who want to vote 'green'? Our votes already don't matter. Something drastic needs to happen"
You mean the Green Party, which represents the interests of about 1 or 2 percent of the voters and manages to catch this percentage in elections? I don't think anything "drastic" needs to be done in regards to the Green Party either way.
I see it has "Squeeze to Expose"? What exactly does this mean? Does this mean you have to be extra careful holding the mouse, because if you hold it just a little too tight, it will go into some other mode? I've tried similar PC mice and they were impossible to use because you no longer had the freedom to just hold the mouse.
"one of Apple's reasons for having a default of one-button (Macs have supported multi-button mice, and programs for graphic designers, etc.) is to ensure that software designers didn't hide functionality behind right-clicks, etc"
That's not the best attitude toward software designers, especially when the designers need the flexibility to deliver the best user experience. Shouldn't they leave such moral decisions ("Nothing in right mouse clicks!" to designers and users?
Is bluetooth such an energy hog that it needs two AA batteries to send moose X,Y coords and button clicks for a distance of a few feet?
Why not something similar to one of those shake-and-glow flashlights? A tiny battery charge from some kinetic motion device (like in the flashlights) or a tiny roller that is only there as a sort of generator?
I've used cordless mice before, and the function was perfect compared to a corded mouse. Can't imagine what bluetooth would improve! However, the cordless mice I've used have been a little fat and heavy due to batteries. If this Apple mouse has to contain two AA batteries as well (can't check: the link is dead), so is this another fatmouse?
"This m______ing Segway can't even go faster than a m______ing newborn garter snake!"
The snakes in Spain stay mainly in the plane!
(hisssss!!!! hisss!!!!)
The snakes in Spain stay mainly in the plane.
Thanks for providing an excellent example of the non-sequitur attack where one person points out the fact that two different things are two different things, and the next person says "oh! You are trying to justify one of them!"
"Actually, it's more like the folks at Mars replaced the proteins in the peanuts with a kind that could be converted to a toxin..."
Those fiends! They'll destroy us for sure. I always knew they were plotting to get revenge for the humiliation when we stopped their vast deathray-tripod army 100 years ago just by sneezing on them.