I hope you realize some of your previous posts just got moderated down to troll status.
I know you wont miss me, you don't like it much when people question you, do you? Funny how you keep replying all the time even though you have already on numerous occasions dismissed me as a moron. Is that your way of admitting you made a mistake?
You seem to have this "need to vent" through this entire thread. This is why we simply see you as a troll. No I don't really know how/. works because I've never actually posted here before. Seemed to be mostly for opinionated nerds so I never signed up. Don't bother giving me a lecture on it, I'm not staying long and we can continue this through email if you like - shanen0@yahoo.com.
Seriously, you are the one with the aggressive stupidity, and I also find that quite annoying, which I already explained. I, however, feel no need to vent. I simply state the facts as I see them. So far, I haven't seen a single response from you to one of my posts that addressed the facts of the case.
As I see it, you seem to be ignoring the facts and our experience in the field, and simply dismiss us as idiots because you can't face the possibility that you might be wrong.
If you still think I'm a complete f*cking moron that can't be reasoned with, and wont give me an intelligible response, just ignore this posting.
I don't get it. From reading your site, you seem to be a smart guy. A bit full of yourself, maybe, but with your IQ I guess that's to be expected.
"By the way, I may well qualify as an artist of opinions, especially based on the often violent reactions my posts have provoked in various newsgroups. I doubt it's great art, and actually my perception is that the firmness and clarity of my writing is what is offending people--my opinions disagree with theirs, and I express them well. Or at least artistically."
This is a quote from your page. I think this is the root of your problem. You were far more interested in expressing your own opinions, artistically the way you seem to like it. But you had no facts to back it up. You came there with a lot of unfounded assumptions, thinking that 419eater.com was run by scammers (Where did you get that from anyway?) and that we were a bunch of irresponsible vigilantes only looking to get our rocks off. And that all the scammers are organised in some kind of professional worldwide mafia-like network, which any newbie baiter knows is bullcrap.
Now I can take criticism, and there are a lot of ethical issues about scambaiting which we deal with on a daily basis on our forums. You would have known this if you actually had bothered to READ them. But when you come here stating your absurd (in our eyes) opinions on what we do with absolutely no real knowledge of it whatsoever, well, I hope you can understand our reactions to it.
I wonder how many of those books in your primary database say anything about advance fee fraud, scambaiting or Nigeria. I'm guessing not many. I'm sure Eatyo meant you should read up on what we do, rather than the usual highly intellectual nonsense your overgrown brain consumes.
I don't see how you can call yourself a logical person, like you do on your oh-so-magnificent webpage, and not bother looking up the facts behind your opinions. Not even considering for a second why you have the opinions you have, and how well they correspond with reality. I'm sorry I probably can't express myself as artistically as yourself, English isn't even my native language, but I hope you can understand me anyway.
I think I'm talking, or rather writing, to someone who thinks in all black and white. I don't give a sh*t how important you are, in this case you are simply ignorant.
Some of them are smart and potentially dangerous, but they just think of us as pranksters and ignore us. Most of them are pretty dumb, half of them appear even dumber because they don't understand the jokes we westerners make of them. That's mostly cultural differences.
>"you have no concern about encouraging suckers to play the dangerous game which you've already said isn't dangerous"
Of course I have. Like I said, we show newbies how to bait safely. Get that through your head. I didn't encourage anyone to become a baiter, and I wouldn't recommend anyone to start baiting if they weren't sure they could hide their personal information. And I said it's a mostly negligible risk that somebody gets your real name etc... despite precautions. That's my evaluation. It's something people have to decide on their own whether it's worth taking that risk or not.
>"Then you boast about your pseudo-bravery and imply that anyone who screws up on one of the precautions or gets too close to the line and falls over is no fault of yours."
Now you're showing your true face. You're a troll, nothing more. You exaggerate in the extreme.
Maybe you are dumb enough to have that happen to you, most of us are not. Seriously, if you think you can't bait without giving out any personal information, then no, you shouldn't be baiting.
We do have some people who have created bots to automatically respond to scam mails like that. Some of them are quite effective, and pretty funny too.
Baiting in itself wont hurt fraud that much, no, it works more like comic relief. But we do a lot of other things like shutting down their websites by contacting the webhosts, getting in touch with potential victims and warning them, occasionally put a few scammers in jail etc... We do 'dent' them quite a lot this way. Of course we wont shut them down completely, that's what the police should be doing.
They are not stupid because they have poor English skills. They are stupid because they think legitimate banks use free Yahoo email addresses and that "Mr. Dr. Barrister Usman Bello ESQ" looks professional as a signature.
>I just don't really see what your issue is with this type of website. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about a site like pervertedjustice.com ? They do something very similar in, some respects, to what those at the 419eater.com site do.
People can be more or less serious about baiting. Most of us at 419eater are very careful about not helping them to improve their techniques, we know a few of them read our site occasionally. Most of us don't even like to tell the scammers that they have been baited.
I don't see baiting as taking much of a risk. The really smart and professional scammers just ignore us as the little pranksters we are, the rest generally don't have the will or resources to go after us even if they got any of our personal details, which is extremely unlikely.
What's the chance of them first tricking Google into giving out my IP, and then my ISP into giving out my name and address? I'm guessing somewhere around zero. It's a risk I'm willing to take. And the first thing we teach newbies is how to bait safely, we would hate to see anything bad happen to a fellow baiter.
And you are calling egyptkah a "beginner" and the scammers "professionals"? EK is a lot more professional about baiting than most scammers are at scamming, and a hell of a lot smarter. You just have no idea what you're talking about here.
And if you want to say anything insulting about my heritage, I'm mostly Swedish, part Danish and Finnish.
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Like I told you, my email is daneeloliwav@fastmail.fm if you want to continue sending me nonsense.
Yes, I do that all the time.
I am completely freaking insane, but I'm allowed to have a computer here at my little room in the mental institution. This is probably a mistake.
Please stop responding to my idiotic meaningless ramblings because you only worsen my mental condition by doing so.
By the way, did you notice that you are actually doing the same thing? Keep responding to my idiotic posts that is?
*sigh*
/. much.
I wasn't praising anything. Just pointed out that I'm not the only one who sees you as a troll. And as far as I know noone on 419eater reads
If you have any more ad hominem nonsense to relate to me, please, just send it to my email -> daneeloliwav@fastmail.fm
I hope you realize some of your previous posts just got moderated down to troll status.
I know you wont miss me, you don't like it much when people question you, do you? Funny how you keep replying all the time even though you have already on numerous occasions dismissed me as a moron. Is that your way of admitting you made a mistake?
You seem to have this "need to vent" through this entire thread. This is why we simply see you as a troll. No I don't really know how /. works because I've never actually posted here before. Seemed to be mostly for opinionated nerds so I never signed up. Don't bother giving me a lecture on it, I'm not staying long and we can continue this through email if you like - shanen0@yahoo.com.
Seriously, you are the one with the aggressive stupidity, and I also find that quite annoying, which I already explained. I, however, feel no need to vent. I simply state the facts as I see them. So far, I haven't seen a single response from you to one of my posts that addressed the facts of the case.
As I see it, you seem to be ignoring the facts and our experience in the field, and simply dismiss us as idiots because you can't face the possibility that you might be wrong.
If you still think I'm a complete f*cking moron that can't be reasoned with, and wont give me an intelligible response, just ignore this posting.
I guess that's why you didn't answer it.
I don't get it. From reading your site, you seem to be a smart guy. A bit full of yourself, maybe, but with your IQ I guess that's to be expected.
"By the way, I may well qualify as an artist of opinions, especially based on the often violent reactions my posts have provoked in various newsgroups. I doubt it's great art, and actually my perception is that the firmness and clarity of my writing is what is offending people--my opinions disagree with theirs, and I express them well. Or at least artistically."
This is a quote from your page. I think this is the root of your problem. You were far more interested in expressing your own opinions, artistically the way you seem to like it. But you had no facts to back it up. You came there with a lot of unfounded assumptions, thinking that 419eater.com was run by scammers (Where did you get that from anyway?) and that we were a bunch of irresponsible vigilantes only looking to get our rocks off. And that all the scammers are organised in some kind of professional worldwide mafia-like network, which any newbie baiter knows is bullcrap.
Now I can take criticism, and there are a lot of ethical issues about scambaiting which we deal with on a daily basis on our forums. You would have known this if you actually had bothered to READ them. But when you come here stating your absurd (in our eyes) opinions on what we do with absolutely no real knowledge of it whatsoever, well, I hope you can understand our reactions to it.
I wonder how many of those books in your primary database say anything about advance fee fraud, scambaiting or Nigeria. I'm guessing not many. I'm sure Eatyo meant you should read up on what we do, rather than the usual highly intellectual nonsense your overgrown brain consumes.
I don't see how you can call yourself a logical person, like you do on your oh-so-magnificent webpage, and not bother looking up the facts behind your opinions. Not even considering for a second why you have the opinions you have, and how well they correspond with reality. I'm sorry I probably can't express myself as artistically as yourself, English isn't even my native language, but I hope you can understand me anyway.
By the way, are you by any chance INTP?
I think I'm talking, or rather writing, to someone who thinks in all black and white. I don't give a sh*t how important you are, in this case you are simply ignorant.
Some of them are smart and potentially dangerous, but they just think of us as pranksters and ignore us. Most of them are pretty dumb, half of them appear even dumber because they don't understand the jokes we westerners make of them. That's mostly cultural differences.
>"you have no concern about encouraging suckers to play the dangerous game which you've already said isn't dangerous"
Of course I have. Like I said, we show newbies how to bait safely. Get that through your head. I didn't encourage anyone to become a baiter, and I wouldn't recommend anyone to start baiting if they weren't sure they could hide their personal information. And I said it's a mostly negligible risk that somebody gets your real name etc... despite precautions. That's my evaluation. It's something people have to decide on their own whether it's worth taking that risk or not.
>"Then you boast about your pseudo-bravery and imply that anyone who screws up on one of the precautions or gets too close to the line and falls over is no fault of yours."
Now you're showing your true face. You're a troll, nothing more. You exaggerate in the extreme.
Maybe you are dumb enough to have that happen to you, most of us are not. Seriously, if you think you can't bait without giving out any personal information, then no, you shouldn't be baiting.
We do have some people who have created bots to automatically respond to scam mails like that. Some of them are quite effective, and pretty funny too.
Baiting in itself wont hurt fraud that much, no, it works more like comic relief. But we do a lot of other things like shutting down their websites by contacting the webhosts, getting in touch with potential victims and warning them, occasionally put a few scammers in jail etc... We do 'dent' them quite a lot this way. Of course we wont shut them down completely, that's what the police should be doing.
They are not stupid because they have poor English skills. They are stupid because they think legitimate banks use free Yahoo email addresses and that "Mr. Dr. Barrister Usman Bello ESQ" looks professional as a signature.
Daneel_Oliwav, Mugubank Hacker
>I just don't really see what your issue is with this type of website. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about a site like pervertedjustice.com ? They do something very similar in, some respects, to what those at the 419eater.com site do.
This is scambaitings version of pervertedjustice:
http://www.scammers-exposed.com/
People can be more or less serious about baiting. Most of us at 419eater are very careful about not helping them to improve their techniques, we know a few of them read our site occasionally. Most of us don't even like to tell the scammers that they have been baited. I don't see baiting as taking much of a risk. The really smart and professional scammers just ignore us as the little pranksters we are, the rest generally don't have the will or resources to go after us even if they got any of our personal details, which is extremely unlikely. What's the chance of them first tricking Google into giving out my IP, and then my ISP into giving out my name and address? I'm guessing somewhere around zero. It's a risk I'm willing to take. And the first thing we teach newbies is how to bait safely, we would hate to see anything bad happen to a fellow baiter. And you are calling egyptkah a "beginner" and the scammers "professionals"? EK is a lot more professional about baiting than most scammers are at scamming, and a hell of a lot smarter. You just have no idea what you're talking about here. And if you want to say anything insulting about my heritage, I'm mostly Swedish, part Danish and Finnish.