You need to get into therapy to re-center your thoughts if you think calling copyright law absurd is calling for "complete abolition of punishment â" for anything..."
Well, a) such evidence is not always available; and b) even when it is, there may be doubts.
did it ever occur to you they may be innocent?
When you watch law and order, and see them say "oh we could put you under a microscope if you don't tell us what we want you to say", you may feel 'vindicated'. Me, I'm disturbed whenever I see this, because it's a demonstration of exactly the type of tyranny our forefathers tried so hard to prevent.
Now as a comparison, let's run the stories on Fox News during your average day through the same fact and bias checks.
My brother and I stopped by a flea market a couple years ago, picked up a social studies text from four score years ago, and it had a chapter on "the mexicans, lazy by nature".
Wikis in their purest form are editable and defaceable at random.
Wikis in the current majority of cases have a moderated front page and an unmoderated "discussion section" as well as a separate "potential controversy" section.
Let's compare this "definition by debate" to Fox News.
After seeing what happens to the blizzard forums during your average 8 hour weekly maintenance, it should work pretty well if they do it for 8 hours (3 pm to 11 pm in their median time zone)
I'd go out, buy a couple books, and read them while I packed up the car and drove to Canada.
If it were shut down world-wide, i'd buy books and find an amish community, because without the internet high technology isn't all that high anymore, and current "entertainment" is only useful as noisy wall paper. (seriously, a white noise generator could easily replace my tv and provide more entertainment).
Labelled a troll? What the hell is wrong with Slashdot these days?
This is not only not a troll, it is on-topic, twice!
Either someone failed at reading, or someone is abusing the mod-points system.
In recent years, they have been handing out more mod points at a time to individual users.
Additionally, I've noticed several comments which were worded "a little too professionally" (I don't mean intelligently, i mean passing off rubbish with carefully crafted sophistry and fallacy) by people with user id's higher than mine, followed by numerous approvals by people with equally high user id's.
Since 2k3 i've noticed a considerable corporate-shift as well.
What all this basically translates into is: This news site has massive traffic, and has attracted astro-turfers in droves.
Our illustrious leaders would be doing us well by limiting mod-points to 7 per person to help prevent astro-turfing groups from keeping stocks on hand.
nano-scale fabrication would mean we could shovel dirt from our backyard into a machine and get a car frame or bricks or floor joists out the other side.
In a "present elements" sense, there is not scarcity of resources, it's when you factor in the cost of extraction that the resources becomes scarce.
As for development of new technology from there, such a development would free people from their daily toil and allow them time to actually think. There will still be problems to solve, people will want to spend their time doing something, and the solutions to those problems will mean fame for the people who offer them.
You would be surprised how many people would think more clearly if the constant apprehension about sustaining themselves and their children in the future were lifted from them.
BitTorrent solves two problems really well: flash crowds (not something you have to worry about as a niche artist, and getting less of a problem by the day thanks to utility computing -- what is your flash crowd gonig to do, crash Amazon?) and continuous, sustained transfer of enormous binary files. In practice, that means either Linux distributions or pirated things. And the pirated things are far and away more popular than the Linux distributions.
10 million blizzard customers would disagree with you, also:
High Speed Dubbing solved two problems really well, allowing auctioneers to record understandable answering machine messages, and copying audio cassettes really fast. In practice, audio cassettes were copied more often than auctioneer's voices were slowed.
Oh Noes, people are using silicon and wires to do what they were doing with dual cassette decks for 2 decades before! Perish the thought!,
... run the government. In democratic countries at least, the government serves at the pleasure of the people, not the corporations.
And yes I'm well aware of the corrupting influence of campaign donations and lobbyists. If those lead to bad laws being passed, it's because the voters don't care about their own rights.
or they don't have one of these mythical "public good" politicians to vote for, especially on copyright, because the main-stream mass media is corporate controlled. (Don't believe corporates can control public opinion? look what's happened to the USA since Fox News was launched!)
There are definitely more voters than corporations, so it's well-within our abilities to put those who pass bad laws out of a job.
The soap box, ballot box, and jury box have been proven ineffective, and the people are too cowardly to use the last remaining box, assuming their particular nation even allows them access to that one.
This is not a problem technology can solve. This is something that can only be solved by social engineering. Such as 1 year prison for copyright infringement, 1st time. Only when the risks out weigh the benefits, and the odds of getting caught are high, will this stop.
Speeding is illegal. The penalty is pretty harsh for the average Joe, especially considering insurance increases. Have you ever exceeded the speed limit?
Across the majority of the east coast and midwest, the speed limit is this "punch line" posted every few miles on the interstate for people to laugh at as they look at the triple digit number on their speedometer.
As for "social engineering"... You can't "social engineer"-away an accepted, every-day activity. They tried it with booze, theyre still trying and failing miserably with drugs, and to a lesser degree with cigarettes. Now drugs and cigs have have little to no benefits (which can't be simulated with other legal substances) and are highly hazardous to your health.
The ban on Alcohol (prohibition) is the closest analogous situation you can get to this crusade politicians seem to be fixated on (because of the utterly fallacious "selling bits like physical goods" tagline from the dot-bomb era), but even that is worse for individuals and the apple pie family than grabbing some songs off kazaa.
They search and search for some moral angle, but nobody with a brain is buying it.
Further, there are huge windmills everywhere (turning VERY slowly--Any bird which hits one of these is not paying attention.
In germany they don't have stills hidden every 5 feet in the countryside. We can't help it if our birds are a bit "slower" in the head because of that! Someone please think of the birds?
In your family's case, if I understand it right, the problem was not that they were innocent (they weren't!), but that their guilt (belonging to a certain race) was absurd.
Ah, and allowing mass proliferation of the VCR, blank tapes, and dual cassette decks with "high speed dubbing", then making the same type of copying over silicon and wires illegal is not absurd? (and don't you dare come back with that "millions of people" crap, how many millions of VCR's and Dual Cassette decks have been sold again?)
I say infinite + 1.
Well, that means nobody can ever be punished, because there is always a chance, that they are innocent. Always...
not true at all. Have you never watched an episode of forensic files? Modern forensics can provide a solid chain of evidence tying someone to a crime.
Are you suggesting, we abolish all penal institutions? Because if you don't, your view is self-inconsistent and thus automatically wrong...
The list of amendments in the summary has a better interpretation by people more versed in the laws in question.
The grievances are legitimate, and amount to exactly what the summary states.
The examples used in the other few links are not particularly good ones for the discussion however. I think the other sites linked to are doing a disservice by not providing the more damning full amendment texts present in the "list of amendments" linked in our summary.
having lost 75% of my family and 100% of our assets in a certain european government's zealous actions to "purge the guilty" from the population, I say infinite + 1.
I can still type in an ip address with directory trees or a direct URL for a piece of content and 99% of the time i'll get what i was looking for.
Sure macromedia has made the spidering on flash video's an annoying freakin whore to get to, but if your client doesn't blow you can still get the direct link to the raw flash (FLV extension) through it's version of safari's "activity" window.
I can still load NTTP, and the technology still does a reasonable job of routing around censorship if you're savvy enough with tech to program the "off timer" on your TV.
This is yet another scare-mongering or "omg the good ol' days are gone" story.
When last I checked there were still people composing jazz, there are still people writing comic books, there are still sports cars and after-market parts that will let you make a hot-rod (or people who will do it for you), they still sell model M keyboards, and the internet is still there.
Things change, and usually the "old model" doesn't go away if it has any merit, but the evolution continues, expanding choice (unless the MAFIAA makes it illegal, in which case someone needs to be shot).
Case and point, the jitterbug phone is available to people who don't want the bloat, complexity, and OMGKITCHENSINK they throw into today's phones (15 menus to start dialing, oh I wonder why the vehicular collision rate among users is so high!).
Or, unlike you, he's actually seen security briefings detaling the threats we face. Let's not boil this down to "those who agree with you" and "stupid people".
that's exactly what you're doing.. "you're just ignorant of the threats we face".
OH NOES, WE TRADE SECURITY FOR FREEDOM! GOD FORBID!
So basically he'll vote for a bill that gives telecom amnesty and hasn't done anything to date to actually strip the immunity except for a vague promise. And you still say he hasn't changed his position?
Yes, because he has not said or done anything in support of telecom amnesty. Disappointing people by not taking an active role in the fight is not the same as supporting something.
Actually, guilt by negligence is punishable in many cases by sentences equally harsh to active participation in a crime.
In this case the crime is high treason (im not talking about the immunity, i'm talking about the fact this "stops the illegal spying" by making it legal and letting it continue)
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You need to get into therapy to re-center your thoughts if you think calling copyright law absurd is calling for "complete abolition of punishment â" for anything..."
did it ever occur to you they may be innocent?
When you watch law and order, and see them say "oh we could put you under a microscope if you don't tell us what we want you to say", you may feel 'vindicated'. Me, I'm disturbed whenever I see this, because it's a demonstration of exactly the type of tyranny our forefathers tried so hard to prevent.
Now as a comparison, let's run the stories on Fox News during your average day through the same fact and bias checks.
My brother and I stopped by a flea market a couple years ago, picked up a social studies text from four score years ago, and it had a chapter on "the mexicans, lazy by nature".
wikipedia is so unreliable right?
Wikis in their purest form are editable and defaceable at random.
Wikis in the current majority of cases have a moderated front page and an unmoderated "discussion section" as well as a separate "potential controversy" section.
Let's compare this "definition by debate" to Fox News.
Wikis are very good at eliminating bias.
After seeing what happens to the blizzard forums during your average 8 hour weekly maintenance, it should work pretty well if they do it for 8 hours (3 pm to 11 pm in their median time zone)
I'd go out, buy a couple books, and read them while I packed up the car and drove to Canada.
If it were shut down world-wide, i'd buy books and find an amish community, because without the internet high technology isn't all that high anymore, and current "entertainment" is only useful as noisy wall paper. (seriously, a white noise generator could easily replace my tv and provide more entertainment).
Labelled a troll?
What the hell is wrong with Slashdot these days?
This is not only not a troll, it is on-topic, twice!
Either someone failed at reading, or someone is abusing the mod-points system.
In recent years, they have been handing out more mod points at a time to individual users.
Additionally, I've noticed several comments which were worded "a little too professionally" (I don't mean intelligently, i mean passing off rubbish with carefully crafted sophistry and fallacy) by people with user id's higher than mine, followed by numerous approvals by people with equally high user id's.
Since 2k3 i've noticed a considerable corporate-shift as well.
What all this basically translates into is: This news site has massive traffic, and has attracted astro-turfers in droves.
Our illustrious leaders would be doing us well by limiting mod-points to 7 per person to help prevent astro-turfing groups from keeping stocks on hand.
nano-scale fabrication would mean we could shovel dirt from our backyard into a machine and get a car frame or bricks or floor joists out the other side.
In a "present elements" sense, there is not scarcity of resources, it's when you factor in the cost of extraction that the resources becomes scarce.
As for development of new technology from there, such a development would free people from their daily toil and allow them time to actually think. There will still be problems to solve, people will want to spend their time doing something, and the solutions to those problems will mean fame for the people who offer them.
You would be surprised how many people would think more clearly if the constant apprehension about sustaining themselves and their children in the future were lifted from them.
BitTorrent solves two problems really well: flash crowds (not something you have to worry about as a niche artist, and getting less of a problem by the day thanks to utility computing -- what is your flash crowd gonig to do, crash Amazon?) and continuous, sustained transfer of enormous binary files. In practice, that means either Linux distributions or pirated things. And the pirated things are far and away more popular than the Linux distributions.
10 million blizzard customers would disagree with you, also:
Oh Noes, people are using silicon and wires to do what they were doing with dual cassette decks for 2 decades before! Perish the thought!,
... run the government. In democratic countries at least, the government serves at the pleasure of the people, not the corporations.
And yes I'm well aware of the corrupting influence of campaign donations and lobbyists. If those lead to bad laws being passed, it's because the voters don't care about their own rights.
or they don't have one of these mythical "public good" politicians to vote for, especially on copyright, because the main-stream mass media is corporate controlled. (Don't believe corporates can control public opinion? look what's happened to the USA since Fox News was launched!)
There are definitely more voters than corporations, so it's well-within our abilities to put those who pass bad laws out of a job.
The soap box, ballot box, and jury box have been proven ineffective, and the people are too cowardly to use the last remaining box, assuming their particular nation even allows them access to that one.
This is not a problem technology can solve. This is something that can only be solved by social engineering. Such as 1 year prison for copyright infringement, 1st time. Only when the risks out weigh the benefits, and the odds of getting caught are high, will this stop.
Speeding is illegal. The penalty is pretty harsh for the average Joe, especially considering insurance increases. Have you ever exceeded the speed limit?
Across the majority of the east coast and midwest, the speed limit is this "punch line" posted every few miles on the interstate for people to laugh at as they look at the triple digit number on their speedometer.
As for "social engineering"... You can't "social engineer"-away an accepted, every-day activity. They tried it with booze, theyre still trying and failing miserably with drugs, and to a lesser degree with cigarettes. Now drugs and cigs have have little to no benefits (which can't be simulated with other legal substances) and are highly hazardous to your health.
The ban on Alcohol (prohibition) is the closest analogous situation you can get to this crusade politicians seem to be fixated on (because of the utterly fallacious "selling bits like physical goods" tagline from the dot-bomb era), but even that is worse for individuals and the apple pie family than grabbing some songs off kazaa.
They search and search for some moral angle, but nobody with a brain is buying it.
Further, there are huge windmills everywhere (turning VERY slowly--Any bird which hits one of these is not paying attention.
In germany they don't have stills hidden every 5 feet in the countryside. We can't help it if our birds are a bit "slower" in the head because of that! Someone please think of the birds?
In your family's case, if I understand it right, the problem was not that they were innocent (they weren't!), but that their guilt (belonging to a certain race) was absurd.
Ah, and allowing mass proliferation of the VCR, blank tapes, and dual cassette decks with "high speed dubbing", then making the same type of copying over silicon and wires illegal is not absurd? (and don't you dare come back with that "millions of people" crap, how many millions of VCR's and Dual Cassette decks have been sold again?)
Well, that means nobody can ever be punished, because there is always a chance, that they are innocent. Always...
not true at all. Have you never watched an episode of forensic files? Modern forensics can provide a solid chain of evidence tying someone to a crime.
Are you suggesting, we abolish all penal institutions? Because if you don't, your view is self-inconsistent and thus automatically wrong...
clearly not.
The list of amendments in the summary has a better interpretation by people more versed in the laws in question.
The grievances are legitimate, and amount to exactly what the summary states.
The examples used in the other few links are not particularly good ones for the discussion however. I think the other sites linked to are doing a disservice by not providing the more damning full amendment texts present in the "list of amendments" linked in our summary.
having lost 75% of my family and 100% of our assets in a certain european government's zealous actions to "purge the guilty" from the population, I say infinite + 1.
in all fairness, flash is also an annoyingly proprietary codec.
The difference though is it's supported on pretty much all OSS platforms (if mozilla/firefox will install, then the plugin will run).
I can still type in an ip address with directory trees or a direct URL for a piece of content and 99% of the time i'll get what i was looking for.
Sure macromedia has made the spidering on flash video's an annoying freakin whore to get to, but if your client doesn't blow you can still get the direct link to the raw flash (FLV extension) through it's version of safari's "activity" window.
I can still load NTTP, and the technology still does a reasonable job of routing around censorship if you're savvy enough with tech to program the "off timer" on your TV.
This is yet another scare-mongering or "omg the good ol' days are gone" story.
When last I checked there were still people composing jazz, there are still people writing comic books, there are still sports cars and after-market parts that will let you make a hot-rod (or people who will do it for you), they still sell model M keyboards, and the internet is still there.
Things change, and usually the "old model" doesn't go away if it has any merit, but the evolution continues, expanding choice (unless the MAFIAA makes it illegal, in which case someone needs to be shot).
Case and point, the jitterbug phone is available to people who don't want the bloat, complexity, and OMGKITCHENSINK they throw into today's phones (15 menus to start dialing, oh I wonder why the vehicular collision rate among users is so high!).
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yeah, right. Those are SOOOOO libertarian in nature. Socialized medicine. Corporate Accountability. Yeah, thats the ticket.
Lots of pubs are calling for exactly what you call for. You are a pure pub.
And you are a nut job
I guess this will come down to who has the stronger lobbyists: The *AA or the telecoms.
That is really goddamn scary.
=Smidge=
Unfortunately, the telecoms now have a different agenda for the internet than we do.
This would have no impact on them, so they won't be lobbying against it.
A "compromise" requires that the original demands be reasonable on a fundamental level.
Abrogation of the 4th amendment is not a partisan issue, nor is it reasonable.
He obviously hasn't looked through ANY of my previous postings.
I am for:
socialized medicine
corporate accountability
geopolitical isolationism.
yeah.. i'm SOO republican.
stupid fucker.
don't write them. The cloture they put this though earlier means they vote for it on the 8th.
call them, and keep calling them.
the ACLU is a non-partisan organization out to protect our civil liberties.
Of course to Fox News, civil liberties = liberal = traitor = KILL!, but yeah, they are a non-partisan organization.
Or, unlike you, he's actually seen security briefings detaling the threats we face. Let's not boil this down to "those who agree with you" and "stupid people".
that's exactly what you're doing.. "you're just ignorant of the threats we face".
OH NOES, WE TRADE SECURITY FOR FREEDOM! GOD FORBID!
Yes, because he has not said or done anything in support of telecom amnesty. Disappointing people by not taking an active role in the fight is not the same as supporting something.
Actually, guilt by negligence is punishable in many cases by sentences equally harsh to active participation in a crime.
In this case the crime is high treason (im not talking about the immunity, i'm talking about the fact this "stops the illegal spying" by making it legal and letting it continue)