You're getting something that the owner hasn't given you the right to possess a copy of. Whether you agree with the concept of IP or not, this is the entire reason you can be sued for copyright infringement. It is also extraordinarily close to the definition of stealing, barring the single clause in the definition I mention above. It does catch the other two clauses, however, which is why people call it stealing; it's not a far stretch by any means.
You really do have to consider that the performance per watt in the era since the P4 has been stellar from Intel, while AMD hasn't quite been up to par in that department. The roles really have reversed in the past few years in regards to wattage, with Intel also keeping the raw performance crown on the high end.
You took property without permission or legal right. Steal. It only overlooks the single qualifier of "without intention to return". There is no literal thing missing in the movie/music/game scenario, but you can't deny that it was something taken without permission or legal right. I mean, this is how language evolves - new situations arise that call for a change in the way a current word is used to reflect reality.
This. Everyone would just download them illegally, and hope to not get caught, if the fine is so low as to be negligible. It's the exact same reason why companies keep fucking up the environment/economy or cheating the markets. The risk to reward ratio is so skewed in favor of reward, there's no reason not to take the risk.
I think the fact you're making money should be a separate, additional fine. For example, I download the song, and never upload, my fine is $50. I download it and upload to 5 others for free, $300. I download and sell to 10 others for $1 apiece, I'm in DEEP shit.
Item count shouldn't be a multiplier, but it should definitely be a factor. Steal 3 songs, $150; steal 15, $750. I also think uploading should be counted as a charge, though, so if they can prove you uploaded X copies, you pay X+1*50; +1 because you have a copy..
Yep. Windows is totally irrelevant. That's why you see all those PC makers selling Linux boxes, and the number of Windows boxes decreasing, in every single store around the country. That's why most people know how to use Linux out of the box, and aren't completely befuddled when they don't see the start button.
Yeah, but that's way more moderate than the extreme stance the very vocal/. "majority" takes on the matter.
As a side note, who knows if it's really a majority? Over half of the people espousing views in favor of complete abolishment of all IP post AC, so those could all be one guy.
Yes, and there's also democrats in the house who can propose bills. It's not just a "party in power has all rights to propose bills" type thing. It's basically a matter of putting the bill on the clerk's desk, wherein it has to go to committee.
God damn, you're totally ignorant. That's for the diesel version (look at page 15 of the pamphlet [linked] this guy pulled info from). As you know, diesel contains a large amount more energy per volume unit. Real mileage: 28 mpg of GAS. That's on a TINY car, whereas the CR-V from earlier is a fucking SUV with 50% more weight, AND tested in sub-optimal conditions, unlike the rabbit. On top of all that, emissions of NOx, SOx, unburnt hydrocarbons, and all sorts of other shit has been lowered substantially, which you don't account for at all.
Jeez, as if half the shit we spent money on from 2000 to 2009 were accounted for in that number to make it a valid comparison. Iraq and Afghanistan were counted in the official budget before the 2010 budget. That's 300 billion alone that just wasn't counted because it was formerly funded under "emergency spending" bills. Then, there's the fact that Medicare didn't have all of its reimbursements counted towards the budget until 2010, and there's money budgeted for natural disaster relief. The real growth in the deficit (actual added spending) isn't anywhere near what you think it is, because the numbers were artificially lowered. There's also a few plans in place to lower that number, the health care bill and repeal of tax cuts being chief among them. Since republicans want to get rid of those, they're basically saying "we don't give a shit about the deficit; we'll cut social security altogether before we raise taxes in the slightest".
Just wait until the Republicans decide to block the shit out of every piece of legislation; they'll be painted as do-nothings with no ideas - exactly what they've been for the past 2 years.
Too bad they were all for a full single payer system until there was a gigantic media blitz by Republicans and their healthcare overlords. Otherwise, I might be inclined to take your point seriously.
People keep mentioning this nonsense, but where the hell is your proof? An economy losing 800k jobs monthly vs an economy growing 200k is a gigantic improvement.
What the fuck stupid shit are you smoking? Getting the same milage on a car with 50% more weight and a larger aerodynamic profile is a definite improvement, while a car that's actually remotely comparable (Honda Fit) driven correctly can get 45+ mpg - and that doesn't even mention the difference in how the numbers are gotten. You also don't mention the very distinct possibility that people aren't going to sacrifice safety, speed and comfort (and thus weight) to get the 100+ mpg you can get on the superefficient superexpensive superspecialized 25mph experimental machines, instead opting for something they can fit 5 people in comfortably with decent gas mileage.
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You're getting something that the owner hasn't given you the right to possess a copy of. Whether you agree with the concept of IP or not, this is the entire reason you can be sued for copyright infringement. It is also extraordinarily close to the definition of stealing, barring the single clause in the definition I mention above. It does catch the other two clauses, however, which is why people call it stealing; it's not a far stretch by any means.
You really do have to consider that the performance per watt in the era since the P4 has been stellar from Intel, while AMD hasn't quite been up to par in that department. The roles really have reversed in the past few years in regards to wattage, with Intel also keeping the raw performance crown on the high end.
You took property without permission or legal right. Steal. It only overlooks the single qualifier of "without intention to return". There is no literal thing missing in the movie/music/game scenario, but you can't deny that it was something taken without permission or legal right. I mean, this is how language evolves - new situations arise that call for a change in the way a current word is used to reflect reality.
This. Everyone would just download them illegally, and hope to not get caught, if the fine is so low as to be negligible. It's the exact same reason why companies keep fucking up the environment/economy or cheating the markets. The risk to reward ratio is so skewed in favor of reward, there's no reason not to take the risk.
I think the fact you're making money should be a separate, additional fine. For example, I download the song, and never upload, my fine is $50. I download it and upload to 5 others for free, $300. I download and sell to 10 others for $1 apiece, I'm in DEEP shit.
Item count shouldn't be a multiplier, but it should definitely be a factor. Steal 3 songs, $150; steal 15, $750. I also think uploading should be counted as a charge, though, so if they can prove you uploaded X copies, you pay X+1*50; +1 because you have a copy..
Running over someone with a truck may qualify that crime as armed robbery, since vehicles are considered weapons when used as such.
You can't copyright a file format. You may be able to patent it, though.
Good thing the reverse engineering isn't being done on music DRM, otherwise I might agree with the person who modded you insightful.
Yep. Windows is totally irrelevant. That's why you see all those PC makers selling Linux boxes, and the number of Windows boxes decreasing, in every single store around the country. That's why most people know how to use Linux out of the box, and aren't completely befuddled when they don't see the start button.
Yeah, but that's way more moderate than the extreme stance the very vocal /. "majority" takes on the matter.
As a side note, who knows if it's really a majority? Over half of the people espousing views in favor of complete abolishment of all IP post AC, so those could all be one guy.
Gonna be fun watching the /. crowd respond to this - the exact opposite scenario from the vast majority of /.'s news involving IP.
What he's talking about is far beyond astroturfing.
Yes, and there's also democrats in the house who can propose bills. It's not just a "party in power has all rights to propose bills" type thing. It's basically a matter of putting the bill on the clerk's desk, wherein it has to go to committee.
Holy shit man, what's with the summaries lately?? Redundancy all around, everywhere.
God damn, you're totally ignorant. That's for the diesel version (look at page 15 of the pamphlet [linked] this guy pulled info from). As you know, diesel contains a large amount more energy per volume unit. Real mileage: 28 mpg of GAS. That's on a TINY car, whereas the CR-V from earlier is a fucking SUV with 50% more weight, AND tested in sub-optimal conditions, unlike the rabbit. On top of all that, emissions of NOx, SOx, unburnt hydrocarbons, and all sorts of other shit has been lowered substantially, which you don't account for at all.
Being that either house of congress can put up a bill, you're pretty wrong.
Oh, and just to add:
"Based on the CBO's estimate, the deficit would drop to 7% of GDP in 2011, 4.2% of GDP in 2012 and reach as low as 2.5% of GDP in 2014"
Jeez, as if half the shit we spent money on from 2000 to 2009 were accounted for in that number to make it a valid comparison. Iraq and Afghanistan were counted in the official budget before the 2010 budget. That's 300 billion alone that just wasn't counted because it was formerly funded under "emergency spending" bills. Then, there's the fact that Medicare didn't have all of its reimbursements counted towards the budget until 2010, and there's money budgeted for natural disaster relief. The real growth in the deficit (actual added spending) isn't anywhere near what you think it is, because the numbers were artificially lowered. There's also a few plans in place to lower that number, the health care bill and repeal of tax cuts being chief among them. Since republicans want to get rid of those, they're basically saying "we don't give a shit about the deficit; we'll cut social security altogether before we raise taxes in the slightest".
Yeah, but once they see Republicans blocking everything even when they have some power to do something, they're going to be screwed.
Just wait until the Republicans decide to block the shit out of every piece of legislation; they'll be painted as do-nothings with no ideas - exactly what they've been for the past 2 years.
Too bad they were all for a full single payer system until there was a gigantic media blitz by Republicans and their healthcare overlords. Otherwise, I might be inclined to take your point seriously.
People keep mentioning this nonsense, but where the hell is your proof? An economy losing 800k jobs monthly vs an economy growing 200k is a gigantic improvement.
There's more redundancy in the summary than there are flaws in Android kernel.
What the fuck stupid shit are you smoking? Getting the same milage on a car with 50% more weight and a larger aerodynamic profile is a definite improvement, while a car that's actually remotely comparable (Honda Fit) driven correctly can get 45+ mpg - and that doesn't even mention the difference in how the numbers are gotten. You also don't mention the very distinct possibility that people aren't going to sacrifice safety, speed and comfort (and thus weight) to get the 100+ mpg you can get on the superefficient superexpensive superspecialized 25mph experimental machines, instead opting for something they can fit 5 people in comfortably with decent gas mileage.