Sheep? YOU'RE the one kissing to police's arse and giving them the okay to torture someone. All those complete strangers in that library did not become incensed because the officers were being reasonable. The were mad because it was clear the officers were out of control and torturing someone. And don't give me the "poor police officers have a tough job" excuse. They are supposed to be public servants and they have been given a huge amount of responsibility. They abused it. They should be fired and put on trial. Why don't YOU go ahead and be handcuffed and lying on the floor and allow one of your poor police officers to torture YOU with electric shocks.
You call us sheep because we clearly can't stand police abuse. Yet you are willing to excuse torture from your public servants? Physician heal thyself!
Okay, lets say that all you said was true about the video starting late. They still tortured someone in handcuffs. He was NOT a threat. Was the justification for that covered in your lab monitor handbook?
I didn't say it was Nazi Germany and it's irrelevant that he was on private property or whether he was in his home. He was tortured unnecessarily. That is the parallel I draw.
And God forbid if your taser happy knights in shining armor decide to torture you with electrical shock when you're lying down and handcuffed some day.
Yes, I am pissed off at government lately. The abuses and violations of rights are piling up more and more. These cops will not be held accountable because they never are. Time after time cops get off scott-free even when it is clearly abuse. This is the kind of crap we fought against in our war of independence. Harsh, unsympathetic, brutal government control. So, yes, I am pissed off. The people who are supposed to be our public servants (police, congressman, etc.) are not serving us, but rather abusing us and turning us in to second class citizens. The question is why aren't YOU pissed off? You should be. This country is going to hell because of increasing abuses of power.
Your version of events does not resemble every other description I've seen. Every version I have read says that the student was leaving when the police arrived and then they would not let him leave. Second, his resistance was PASSIVE. He was handcuffed when he was tasered and he was only offering passive resistance. That is NOT an excuse to torture someone with electrical shock.
He may have deserved to be arrested. He did not deserved to be brutalized unnecessarily after he had already been placed in custody and shackled with handcuffs.
Are YOU noticing a trend here? 99% of the people appear to think it was unnecessary. That's because it was unnecessary. The police should be fired, put on trial for torture (yes, torture) and police brutality, and they should go to jail.
"Lastly, those officers were in a hostile situation with a mob closing in around them. "
Two problems with that statemtent. First, it would not have been a hostile situation if the police would not have abused their power and unnecessarily tortured a passively resisting student. The reason the crowd got upset is they could see that there was no reason for the cops to be using this type of force. Common sense destroys your argument.
Second, it wasn't a "mob". Nice spin you put on that. It was a group of students who happened to be in the library at that time, not an organized group of protesters. The fact that these complete strangers all felt compelled to challenge the cops on their behaviour clearly shows that a consensus was reached that they were witnessing police brutality.
You must be a cop. Only a cop could justify this sort of mistreatment.
So let me summarize your position. You're minding your own business and some Nazi with a badge comes and and says, "Show us your papers!" If you don't immediately comply your are handcuffed and tortured?
What those cops did was unnecessary. Trespass or no trespass the person was already handcuffed. There was absolutely no reason to use a taser. What they did was torture and they should be tried on it and sent to prison for it.
What the heck is wrong with you? Did you used to work for the KGB back in the old days?
You don't see police brutality? There was absolutely NO reason for them to user a taser on him. By every account I've read he simply went limp and offered passive resistance. Shouting is not a reason to use a taser. Besides, your argument that he might "run, shoot, attack, beserk (is that a verb I'm not aware of), maim, etc." is ridiculous. HE WAS ALREADY HANDCUFFED!!
And as for your "Protect a total stranger who has refused to show ID and refused to leave ". He shouldn't have to show an ID unless he is doing something wrong. They approached him and asked him for an ID for no reason. I don't see he is under an obligation to show an ID. And, he did not refuse to leave. He was walking out when the police arrived. They could have let him walk out. There was no reason to detain him, no reason to use a taser on him.
"I was more afraid for the cops". Give me a break, they kid was in handcuffs. Your arguments aren't even credible.
We have GOT to rise up and take back this nation. I really wish those kids would have rushed the cops. I'm tired of cops having carte blanche to treat people like shit. 50 bucks says the cops get off scott-free. I'll bet the kid gets some money, and he deserves it, but that is still not justice. Those cops should be fired and put in jail themselves.
All I've seem so far is flame-bait replies from Chas and no substance to back up his claim that it is not unix. I'm sure he won't reply to this either because he has nothing to back it up, just another flame failing to address the question everyone has asked.
As for "Elitist" apple users, it's the same with any product. The reason most Apple users seem so much stronger in their preference is they have tried both and think OS X is light years better than Windows. It doesn't make them elitist, it just means they are so satisfied with their experience on Mac that they defend it with a passion. There aren't many products out there that create that kind of fierce loyalty in such a large percentage of owners, and since most Windows users are not used to seeing that in Windows they find it hard to understand and mislabel loyalty as elitism.
To be honest I think a lot of the labels like this in reference to devoted Mac fans is due to myths perpetuated by the so called "press". They seem to label us elitists when we rightfully proclaim factual statements about OS X's lack of succeptibility to virii (to date of course) and spew nonsense about how we only like Macs because they're "cool". A factual statement doesn't make an elitist and I would guess that the vast majority of iPod and Mac owners didn't buy because it was cool, but rather it WORKS, it works reliably, and (with respect to iTunes/iPod synching) it's easier than any of the competition. We just like or project and defend it because of that.
But enough of opinion, back to the question at hand, why is OS X not UNIX again?
"Once you wake up and realize that Republicans == Democrats the ONLY choice is an outside candidate, and the only wasted vote is for one of the "major" parties."
Yours was the only intelligent post in this thread! Neither Republicans nor Democrats are going to change anything, they have the country by the balls and are reaping the rewards. They don't stay in office for a lifetime because it's such tough work, they stay there because it's a gravy train. You have GOT to break this mindset that the major parties will EVER do anything to change things for the better. If anything they have been consistently making things worse for the last 50 years. Vote 3rd party, any third party, or your vote is wasted.
"Microsoft seems to be serious about supporting non-IE browsers."
Maybe they could make an immediate impact in that pursuit by coding their own sites like MSN and MSNBC so the work in non-IE browsers. Right now if I want to use Firefox to browse either and watch a video clip I am SOL. Right now MSNBC ads seem to flicker and the page takes a while to completely load on Firefox, works fine in IE.
Microsoft is pathetic and their dominance has peaked. Linux and Apple are going to seriously erode their market share once we get a look at Vista and it has the same issues. They can't even code a web site right and we expect them to work on ensuring other browsers work well on Windows? Get Winblows right first then everyone else will have an easy time running on it!
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You call us sheep because we clearly can't stand police abuse. Yet you are willing to excuse torture from your public servants? Physician heal thyself!
Okay, lets say that all you said was true about the video starting late. They still tortured someone in handcuffs. He was NOT a threat. Was the justification for that covered in your lab monitor handbook?
And God forbid if your taser happy knights in shining armor decide to torture you with electrical shock when you're lying down and handcuffed some day.
Yes, I am pissed off at government lately. The abuses and violations of rights are piling up more and more. These cops will not be held accountable because they never are. Time after time cops get off scott-free even when it is clearly abuse. This is the kind of crap we fought against in our war of independence. Harsh, unsympathetic, brutal government control. So, yes, I am pissed off. The people who are supposed to be our public servants (police, congressman, etc.) are not serving us, but rather abusing us and turning us in to second class citizens. The question is why aren't YOU pissed off? You should be. This country is going to hell because of increasing abuses of power.
He may have deserved to be arrested. He did not deserved to be brutalized unnecessarily after he had already been placed in custody and shackled with handcuffs.
Are YOU noticing a trend here? 99% of the people appear to think it was unnecessary. That's because it was unnecessary. The police should be fired, put on trial for torture (yes, torture) and police brutality, and they should go to jail.
Two problems with that statemtent. First, it would not have been a hostile situation if the police would not have abused their power and unnecessarily tortured a passively resisting student. The reason the crowd got upset is they could see that there was no reason for the cops to be using this type of force. Common sense destroys your argument.
Second, it wasn't a "mob". Nice spin you put on that. It was a group of students who happened to be in the library at that time, not an organized group of protesters. The fact that these complete strangers all felt compelled to challenge the cops on their behaviour clearly shows that a consensus was reached that they were witnessing police brutality.
You must be a cop. Only a cop could justify this sort of mistreatment.
What those cops did was unnecessary. Trespass or no trespass the person was already handcuffed. There was absolutely no reason to use a taser. What they did was torture and they should be tried on it and sent to prison for it.
What the heck is wrong with you? Did you used to work for the KGB back in the old days?
You don't see police brutality? There was absolutely NO reason for them to user a taser on him. By every account I've read he simply went limp and offered passive resistance. Shouting is not a reason to use a taser. Besides, your argument that he might "run, shoot, attack, beserk (is that a verb I'm not aware of), maim, etc." is ridiculous. HE WAS ALREADY HANDCUFFED!! And as for your "Protect a total stranger who has refused to show ID and refused to leave ". He shouldn't have to show an ID unless he is doing something wrong. They approached him and asked him for an ID for no reason. I don't see he is under an obligation to show an ID. And, he did not refuse to leave. He was walking out when the police arrived. They could have let him walk out. There was no reason to detain him, no reason to use a taser on him. "I was more afraid for the cops". Give me a break, they kid was in handcuffs. Your arguments aren't even credible. We have GOT to rise up and take back this nation. I really wish those kids would have rushed the cops. I'm tired of cops having carte blanche to treat people like shit. 50 bucks says the cops get off scott-free. I'll bet the kid gets some money, and he deserves it, but that is still not justice. Those cops should be fired and put in jail themselves.
All I've seem so far is flame-bait replies from Chas and no substance to back up his claim that it is not unix. I'm sure he won't reply to this either because he has nothing to back it up, just another flame failing to address the question everyone has asked. As for "Elitist" apple users, it's the same with any product. The reason most Apple users seem so much stronger in their preference is they have tried both and think OS X is light years better than Windows. It doesn't make them elitist, it just means they are so satisfied with their experience on Mac that they defend it with a passion. There aren't many products out there that create that kind of fierce loyalty in such a large percentage of owners, and since most Windows users are not used to seeing that in Windows they find it hard to understand and mislabel loyalty as elitism. To be honest I think a lot of the labels like this in reference to devoted Mac fans is due to myths perpetuated by the so called "press". They seem to label us elitists when we rightfully proclaim factual statements about OS X's lack of succeptibility to virii (to date of course) and spew nonsense about how we only like Macs because they're "cool". A factual statement doesn't make an elitist and I would guess that the vast majority of iPod and Mac owners didn't buy because it was cool, but rather it WORKS, it works reliably, and (with respect to iTunes/iPod synching) it's easier than any of the competition. We just like or project and defend it because of that. But enough of opinion, back to the question at hand, why is OS X not UNIX again?
You still haven't answered his question, why isn't it UNIX to you?
"Once you wake up and realize that Republicans == Democrats the ONLY choice is an outside candidate, and the only wasted vote is for one of the "major" parties." Yours was the only intelligent post in this thread! Neither Republicans nor Democrats are going to change anything, they have the country by the balls and are reaping the rewards. They don't stay in office for a lifetime because it's such tough work, they stay there because it's a gravy train. You have GOT to break this mindset that the major parties will EVER do anything to change things for the better. If anything they have been consistently making things worse for the last 50 years. Vote 3rd party, any third party, or your vote is wasted.
"Microsoft seems to be serious about supporting non-IE browsers." Maybe they could make an immediate impact in that pursuit by coding their own sites like MSN and MSNBC so the work in non-IE browsers. Right now if I want to use Firefox to browse either and watch a video clip I am SOL. Right now MSNBC ads seem to flicker and the page takes a while to completely load on Firefox, works fine in IE. Microsoft is pathetic and their dominance has peaked. Linux and Apple are going to seriously erode their market share once we get a look at Vista and it has the same issues. They can't even code a web site right and we expect them to work on ensuring other browsers work well on Windows? Get Winblows right first then everyone else will have an easy time running on it!