Ah, I see. My main sources of information about PAE are forums and this article: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm which basically says that PAE was disabled from doing anything in Windows XP SP2. I'm assuming you use a server version of Windows or something then? That's pretty interesting. XP x64 was pretty stupid, but Vista x64 is just as good (or bad, depending on your opinion) as Vista x86. Driver support is definitely better than it was for XP Pro x64, since driver makers have to make both versions of a Vista driver for it to be certified or whatever Microsoft does to approve drivers.
I still don't understand why anything pre 64 bit would require over 4GB of RAM, but then I don't have much experience with servers or anything of that sort.
Yeah, but most versions of Windows don't use PAE. In fact, you can even try to enable the boot-time switch but it won't do anything. Also, from what I've heard the reason it's disabled is because it's buggy and not really worth it. Out of curiosity, do you actually use PAE or are you just being pedantic? I don't really know much about how Linux does it, but in any case it's not use much and anyone who might need PAE might as well use a 64 bit OS.
No problem, it's a common misconception. It's just that it wasn't very common until recently, and even now most people don't run into it. But you can see it in the RAM configurations in many computers these days; many companies are putting 3GB RAM into their machines instead of using 4GB and installing a 64 bit OS, because although there aren't many incompatibilities, when something does happen the consumer is going to blame either the PC maker or Microsoft.
No, 32 bit OSes can address 4GB TOTAL memory, that's including graphics RAM and various caches. Thus, the total RAM addressable by a 32 bit OS is somewhere around 3-3.5GB depending on the configuration of the computer.
This forum post explains it in greater detail, people were asking this so often that they eventually just stickied the post. http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=71236
That's interesting. I noticed that my 80GB regular hard drive was actually 73.something GiB, so I assume Raptors were actually giving their size in GiB when they said 74GB. You learn something every day...
Yeah, I realized that, but the feature that seems to be the topic of the discussion is the resizing, and that's available through a plugin. I still think they should have just made all those things plugins instead of forking. I think they did add a plugin for the send button, but it doesn't build by default and I don't know whether there's a binary anywhere. The buddy icon thing is stupid too, but in the end all I really want to do is talk to my friends, and pidgin does that fine. Now, when Kopete gets ported to Windows I might switch, but until then I'll stick with Pidgin.
By the way, the actual resizing part in funpidgin is done by a plugin that works in vanilla pidgin. At first I supported the idea of this fork, but then I realized it's really arbitrary and stupid, especially when it's basically just readding portions of old pidgin code and including a plugin that adds back resizing.
Here's the plugin, for those that are interested. I installed it but then realized that I don't really care about resizing my input box. http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/5296
Yeah, I guess I'm pretty lucky I had those books around, and my parents encouraged me to get more from the library whenever I could. Not many of my friends had that, and I'm living in the suburbs of silicon valley.
Hmm, both my parents can code and I learned to program from my mom's textbooks. Yeah, I suppose that is a sign of the times. Although my mom never really liked software, preferred hardware apparently (EE major) and now she says she doesn't remember any programming. So in the end, I still wish I could get my parents to argue about IDEs.
Well, not many because I don't think many people are still using modems, although if they were they probably would be winmodems in which case we would see posts like that. But the same goes for wifi cards especially these days. And my point still stands, it's not anticompetitive, it's just in their best interests in either ways and doesn't cut off competition in any way as the OP insinuated.
If you don't use that app, besides the general wait period for other bugs to come out there's no reason not to slipstream it since the patch will probably be for the MSDRMS, not a change in Windows. They're just going to change Windows Update to not automatically offer it to people who are using MSRDMS.
Uh, they delayed the release of Vista SP1 for other companies' drivers to be updated, isn't that the same thing? Perhaps you should do some research before pulling the anticompetitive flag, it's in their best interests to make sure their own shit works properly, shit though it may be. (Note: That's not my opinion, but probably that of others here.)
I wonder how many end users have that on their Vista machines? I for one have never heard of it, and I don't think many consumers who use Vista as a desktop OS have either. A quick google search shows that this is more of an enterprisey thing. This goes for the other idiot who posted about how "sheeple" don't know that. Of course "sheeple" (oh you're so mature and superior for calling others sheeple) don't know that, they don't use a Retail Management System.
What's happening on the 24th of April? To be fair to the ATI drivers, the X1100 is pretty weak but it's not like it's an Intel GMA 900 or something, and it's probably an order of magnitude faster than the GMA 900 which has no problems running XP (on my parents' Celeron lappy).
Oh, is it the Ubuntu 8.04 release? Does that have better ATI drivers or something, and if so couldn't you just install them yourself now? I guess it's only one more day anyway...
Nah, I'm just saying that he wasn't getting Vista anyway so it didn't matter. Incidentally, a friend of mine got a similar specced laptop a few weeks ago and he says it's fine, although he's probably going to upgrade to 2GB RAM. 2GB RAM make a world of difference for Vista and is pretty cheap now too.
Well, with Vista it would definitely stutter but I was thinking more for XP. With XP it would be blazing fast. Aero is a bit of a performance hog and that graphics card might not be able to handle it, depending on the resolution- my motherboard has integrated x1250 and it lags on some vista 3D screensavers (at 1680x1050 though). But that's why I have a discrete graphics card.
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Note that I said RAM, not memory...
Ah, I see. My main sources of information about PAE are forums and this article: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm which basically says that PAE was disabled from doing anything in Windows XP SP2. I'm assuming you use a server version of Windows or something then? That's pretty interesting. XP x64 was pretty stupid, but Vista x64 is just as good (or bad, depending on your opinion) as Vista x86. Driver support is definitely better than it was for XP Pro x64, since driver makers have to make both versions of a Vista driver for it to be certified or whatever Microsoft does to approve drivers.
I still don't understand why anything pre 64 bit would require over 4GB of RAM, but then I don't have much experience with servers or anything of that sort.
Yeah, but most versions of Windows don't use PAE. In fact, you can even try to enable the boot-time switch but it won't do anything. Also, from what I've heard the reason it's disabled is because it's buggy and not really worth it. Out of curiosity, do you actually use PAE or are you just being pedantic? I don't really know much about how Linux does it, but in any case it's not use much and anyone who might need PAE might as well use a 64 bit OS.
No problem, it's a common misconception. It's just that it wasn't very common until recently, and even now most people don't run into it. But you can see it in the RAM configurations in many computers these days; many companies are putting 3GB RAM into their machines instead of using 4GB and installing a 64 bit OS, because although there aren't many incompatibilities, when something does happen the consumer is going to blame either the PC maker or Microsoft.
(posted from a Windows Vista x64 machine)
No, 32 bit OSes can address 4GB TOTAL memory, that's including graphics RAM and various caches. Thus, the total RAM addressable by a 32 bit OS is somewhere around 3-3.5GB depending on the configuration of the computer.
This forum post explains it in greater detail, people were asking this so often that they eventually just stickied the post. http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=71236
That's interesting. I noticed that my 80GB regular hard drive was actually 73.something GiB, so I assume Raptors were actually giving their size in GiB when they said 74GB. You learn something every day...
Yeah, 32 bit OSes can't see the full 4GB due to the way memory addressing works. Check wikipedia or something for more info.
Yeah, I realized that, but the feature that seems to be the topic of the discussion is the resizing, and that's available through a plugin. I still think they should have just made all those things plugins instead of forking. I think they did add a plugin for the send button, but it doesn't build by default and I don't know whether there's a binary anywhere. The buddy icon thing is stupid too, but in the end all I really want to do is talk to my friends, and pidgin does that fine. Now, when Kopete gets ported to Windows I might switch, but until then I'll stick with Pidgin.
By the way, the actual resizing part in funpidgin is done by a plugin that works in vanilla pidgin. At first I supported the idea of this fork, but then I realized it's really arbitrary and stupid, especially when it's basically just readding portions of old pidgin code and including a plugin that adds back resizing.
Here's the plugin, for those that are interested. I installed it but then realized that I don't really care about resizing my input box.
http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/5296
Yeah, I guess I'm pretty lucky I had those books around, and my parents encouraged me to get more from the library whenever I could. Not many of my friends had that, and I'm living in the suburbs of silicon valley.
Hmm, both my parents can code and I learned to program from my mom's textbooks. Yeah, I suppose that is a sign of the times. Although my mom never really liked software, preferred hardware apparently (EE major) and now she says she doesn't remember any programming. So in the end, I still wish I could get my parents to argue about IDEs.
Parent is rather funny. Just thought I'd say that, since I don't have mod points.
Well, not many because I don't think many people are still using modems, although if they were they probably would be winmodems in which case we would see posts like that. But the same goes for wifi cards especially these days. And my point still stands, it's not anticompetitive, it's just in their best interests in either ways and doesn't cut off competition in any way as the OP insinuated.
Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/225/
If you don't use that app, besides the general wait period for other bugs to come out there's no reason not to slipstream it since the patch will probably be for the MSDRMS, not a change in Windows. They're just going to change Windows Update to not automatically offer it to people who are using MSRDMS.
Uh, they delayed the release of Vista SP1 for other companies' drivers to be updated, isn't that the same thing? Perhaps you should do some research before pulling the anticompetitive flag, it's in their best interests to make sure their own shit works properly, shit though it may be. (Note: That's not my opinion, but probably that of others here.)
"Microsoft Dynamics Retail Management System"
I wonder how many end users have that on their Vista machines? I for one have never heard of it, and I don't think many consumers who use Vista as a desktop OS have either. A quick google search shows that this is more of an enterprisey thing. This goes for the other idiot who posted about how "sheeple" don't know that. Of course "sheeple" (oh you're so mature and superior for calling others sheeple) don't know that, they don't use a Retail Management System.
What's happening on the 24th of April? To be fair to the ATI drivers, the X1100 is pretty weak but it's not like it's an Intel GMA 900 or something, and it's probably an order of magnitude faster than the GMA 900 which has no problems running XP (on my parents' Celeron lappy).
Oh, is it the Ubuntu 8.04 release? Does that have better ATI drivers or something, and if so couldn't you just install them yourself now? I guess it's only one more day anyway...
Even with Ubuntu on it? I imagine the ATI drivers are still slow then, or is it something else?
Nah, I'm just saying that he wasn't getting Vista anyway so it didn't matter. Incidentally, a friend of mine got a similar specced laptop a few weeks ago and he says it's fine, although he's probably going to upgrade to 2GB RAM. 2GB RAM make a world of difference for Vista and is pretty cheap now too.
Well, with Vista it would definitely stutter but I was thinking more for XP. With XP it would be blazing fast. Aero is a bit of a performance hog and that graphics card might not be able to handle it, depending on the resolution- my motherboard has integrated x1250 and it lags on some vista 3D screensavers (at 1680x1050 though). But that's why I have a discrete graphics card.
Some here might prefer "Nuke Windows Forever."
(Not me though, but it had to be said.)
Err, that's a pretty decent laptop so I would probably guess it wouldn't apply anyway. And to be honest, the joke wasn't funny in the first place ;).
Hmm, someone further down said it doesn't, so I take that back.
Considering SP2 did (IIRC) I would assume so.