>>>If you advocate Libertarianism and you are not at least well-to-do, you are energetically working against your own interests.
Yes it's against my interests, because I AM better-off stealing from my neighbors' wallets and getting free handouts from their wallets. BUT I find that morally objectionable to steal, which is why I energetically work against it.
False. I've seen the total Gas Tax collected, and the amount collected *exceeds* the amount spent. About 80% is used to fund highways. The remaining 20% surplus is added to the treasury.
In other words, a biased source. Or maybe you misunderstood their point??? The facts are that the FCC requires at least one channel space between every AM, FM, or TV station (in the same market). There's no possible way for a station to exist directly next-to an NPR station, unless it's an illegal station operating without FCC authority.
I think the previous two posters are correct. Here's how it will be reported by the television media:
>>> Australia's ISPs Speak Out Against Filtering
"Once again the mega-corporations are putting profit before morality, said Politician Joe Smith. Added his collegue Senator Sarah Jane: "What do they care if your children are exposed to pornography, or child molesters post their smut online? We need this filtering in order to protect our youngest citizens from corruption, and we can not allow corporate greed to derail us from out goal."
Our reporters than spoke to a few average people on the street, including a mother of two: "I don't know much about the internet, but I know I don't want that filth coming in my home! I'm glad our leaders are acting to stop it." And a businessman: "Clearly we can't allow open access; the government needs to regulate for the benefit of all." Later we spoke to a college student who felt the internet should not be censored: "Yo dude, don't be censoring my internet, that's bogus!"
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You can't count on either politicians or the television media to do accurate reporting. They will twist the events in order to fit into their own preconceived notions. What Babylon 5's "The Illusion of Truth" for an example of this.
>>>My channel count will drop from 15 to just 3 channels, if you allow whitespace devices to broadcast on the television band."
In my area (Northeast U.S.) the number of open whitespace channels is almost zero. Only channels 2, 3 and 4 are open. All of the other TV channels and co-adjacent channels are reserved by the FCC. Whitespace devices would not work here.
>>> Tell me where broadcasters are and get me my thick stick. ill talk to them in a language they can understand
Typical response from the Entitlement (spoiled) Generation. If you want something (like an A in college), even if you haven't earned it, then keep demand it over-and-over (until the prof gives in). And if that doesn't work, threaten them with physical violence.
>>>There's no truly free high-VHF or UHF slot between New York and Baltimore; spectrum's full.
Further than that! Pretty much the entire I-95 corridor from Southern New Hampshire to Richmond Virginia is booked-solid with television channels. There is virtually no whitespace. (My area has channels 2,3, and 4 open, but none of them is suitable for tiny Iphone/Ipod-like gadgets.)
>>>your little iAndroZune with its 2" stub can't detect the channel, but my purpose-built TV tuner with a 10dBi antenna could pick it up fine... or it could, until the iAndroZune started stepping all over it.
>>>people simply can't seem to get the engineering issues through their heads.
They understand, but they just don't care. They want their internet-capable whitespace Ipods/Cellphones/et cetera and they want them NOW, and they don't care who else might get harmed (over-the-air viewers, cable tv viewers, microphone users, intercom services) by their broadcasts over channels 2 to 51. In typical selfish-American fashion, they care about nothing but themselves.
My generation (the 80s) was called the Me Generation (as embodied by Madonna's Material Girl song), but today's Entitlement Generation seems far, far worse than anything we ever did. They don't care about "playing nice" with their neighbors; they will trample over other people and if that destroys television/wireless microphones and harms the users of those devices, then so be it.
"You have to break a couple eggs to make an omelet" said the Socialist Stalin, and that principle seems to apply today.
P.S. Looks like my comments about being fired are closer-to-the-truth than I realized:
On December 3, 2007, John Dingell (D) of the House Commerce Committee sent a letter to FCC Chairman Kevin Martin stating that "given several events and proceedings over the past year, I am rapidly losing confidence that the commission has been conducting its affairs in an appropriate manner." Martin is under investigation for a lack of transparency in FCC proceedings as well as an abuse of his power in relation to cable industry regulations. He has also been accused of keeping his fellow commissioners in the dark in an attempt to push through policy.
>>>I'd put $50 on him ending up at Google or Microsoft within a year of leaving the FCC.
Well sure! Multiple Congresspeople have written Kevin Martin and told him not to approve whitespace gadgets, or postpone further testing until after the Feb 18 transition. So if Mr. Martin goes-ahead and approves them anyway, he's likely to get fired by the Congress, and he'll need another job./start sarcasm. I can't fault him if he decides Google/microsoft is his next best choice./end sarcasm
>>>True however they will happily bankrupt the estate if they can. Parents often wish to pass on wealth to their children, an expensive stay in the hospital or an extended care facility can completely wipe out even the prosperous >>>
I know some Democrats who would be thrilled at that idea. They genuinely-believe that a parents' wealth should not be passed onto the child. That's why they keep pushing for higher-and-higher "death tax" (inheritance tax).
Yes, but we all know that a nationalist/socialized healthcare system provided by Uncle Sam/government monopoly will result in me (and taxpayers in general) providing free healthcare to smokers and abortion-seekers. I find that morally objectionable. And I don't feel like having that shoved down my throat, anymore than you would wish to have religion shoved down your throat.
...by stealing the money from their neighbors' paychecks, so that one person can buy themselves a new Lexus..... ooops, I mean heart. It's the many sweating/laboring to enrich a single person.
"Republican!" is the insult most people like to direct at the middle part of the U.S..... as if the views/opinions of the "flyover states" have no value.
Well most of the senators/representatives from the rural states (where people are limited to 50k), disagree with you. To quote one letter a Georgia senator sent to the FCC: "Although I support bringing broadband to my rural constituents, damaging their reception of free television is not the correct approach to use. Especially now when the economy is experiencing turmoil. Now is not the time to disrupt established industries. I encourage you to postpone approval of these whitespace devices until a much later date."
I see similar letters coming in from Wyoming, Iowa, Alabama, and New York congressmen/women as well. Mostly Democrats, but also a few Republicans.
>>>Some people don't learn except through direct experience.
Quoted for truth. Some people don't realize the consequences of their actions until it's too late. Like buying a house with "no money down" and then later having to default on the mortgage. If these whitespaces are allowed to happen, a lot of people will be happy... until they discover the consequences like interference on their Cable reception.
Well I have a PC transmitter that broadcasts Internet Radio onto an FM channel (87.9), and it does indeed have a screw to adjust the power level to higher settings. I turned it to maximum and was able to receive the signal almost a mile away from my house. It was an extremely-easy modification.
Since broadcasting at such high levels violates FCC rules, I turned it back down to just cover my backyard.
>>>If you got your pre-recorded entertainment off of the internet instead of waiting for a broadcaster to send it out, it wouldn't matter how few channels you got. >>>
Over-the-air television provides a 20 megabit/second connection. Point me to an internet company that provides that same service for free or almost-free.
I think it's interesting looking at the list of Congresspeople who are AGAINST white space devices (bottom of page). Senator Hillary Clinton is the most prominent. Others include:
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Charlie Rangel (D-NY) Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Michael Enzi (R-WY) John Barrasso (R-WY)
Bobby Rush (D-IL) John Dingell (D-MI) Mel Martinez (R-FL) Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) Johny Isakson (R-GA) Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Sue Myrick (R-9th) Howard Coble (R-6th) Robin Hayes (R-8th) Melvin L. Watt (D-12th) Mike McIntyre (D-7th) G. K. Butterfield (D-NC) Walter B. Jones (R-NC) David Price (D-4th) Heath Shuler (D-11th) Bob Etheridge (D-2nd) Brad Miller (D-13th) Olympia Snowe (R-ME) Susan Collins (R-ME) Tom Latham (R-IA) Robert B. Aderholt (R-AL) Jo Bonner (R-AL) Mark Souder (R-IN) Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ) Jon Porter (R-NV) Charles A. Gonzalez (D-TX) Bart Gordon (D-TN)
Well. You have a Right to Free Speech, and you can direct your speech at a doctor, and request that he heal your sick body. As a professional the doctor will do his best to accommodate you.
What you do NOT have a right to do is take your Bill, hand it to your neighbors, and force them to pay the bill. That's theft.
It's YOUR bill; you should pay for it yourself. Same as when you buy a Lexus, you pay the bill yourself; you don't make your neighbors pay for it.
>>>Firstly, it is considered a right that you will be able to live your life with some semblance of dignity
There is NO such right, because in order for that right to exist, you must STEAL MONEY from your neighbors' weekly paychecks. You do not have a right to commit theft. That's exactly what the Plantation Masters used to do when they made black & white slaves work without pay.
Who do you know that lives forever? Nobody. Which is why government hospitals don't make sense. There's no limit to how much a government could spend on a single patient (new heart, new lungs, life-sustaining machines, biotic limbs), and yet even if the government spent a Trillion dollars per patient, ultimately they will all die.
The entire goal of the system (stop death) is unobtainable, and the governments will bankrupt themselves trying.
>>>I have to question whether a lack of health insurance really means a lack of medical service. I know some poor people, and they receive medical service much more frequently than I do. They receive free medical care and free medicines. >>>
Yes. I don't have health insurance either. Or car insurance. That's by choice, because I can save money by not paying for the insurance premiums. Instead I pay-out cash for everything (actually credit card, but it still comes out of my pocket).
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>>>If you advocate Libertarianism and you are not at least well-to-do, you are energetically working against your own interests.
Yes it's against my interests, because I AM better-off stealing from my neighbors' wallets and getting free handouts from their wallets. BUT I find that morally objectionable to steal, which is why I energetically work against it.
False. I've seen the total Gas Tax collected, and the amount collected *exceeds* the amount spent. About 80% is used to fund highways. The remaining 20% surplus is added to the treasury.
In other words, a biased source. Or maybe you misunderstood their point??? The facts are that the FCC requires at least one channel space between every AM, FM, or TV station (in the same market). There's no possible way for a station to exist directly next-to an NPR station, unless it's an illegal station operating without FCC authority.
I think the previous two posters are correct. Here's how it will be reported by the television media:
>>> Australia's ISPs Speak Out Against Filtering
"Once again the mega-corporations are putting profit before morality, said Politician Joe Smith. Added his collegue Senator Sarah Jane: "What do they care if your children are exposed to pornography, or child molesters post their smut online? We need this filtering in order to protect our youngest citizens from corruption, and we can not allow corporate greed to derail us from out goal."
Our reporters than spoke to a few average people on the street, including a mother of two: "I don't know much about the internet, but I know I don't want that filth coming in my home! I'm glad our leaders are acting to stop it." And a businessman: "Clearly we can't allow open access; the government needs to regulate for the benefit of all." Later we spoke to a college student who felt the internet should not be censored: "Yo dude, don't be censoring my internet, that's bogus!"
-
You can't count on either politicians or the television media to do accurate reporting. They will twist the events in order to fit into their own preconceived notions. What Babylon 5's "The Illusion of Truth" for an example of this.
>>>My channel count will drop from 15 to just 3 channels, if you allow whitespace devices to broadcast on the television band."
In my area (Northeast U.S.) the number of open whitespace channels is almost zero. Only channels 2, 3 and 4 are open. All of the other TV channels and co-adjacent channels are reserved by the FCC. Whitespace devices would not work here.
>>> Tell me where broadcasters are and get me my thick stick. ill talk to them in a language they can understand
Typical response from the Entitlement (spoiled) Generation. If you want something (like an A in college), even if you haven't earned it, then keep demand it over-and-over (until the prof gives in). And if that doesn't work, threaten them with physical violence.
>>>There's no truly free high-VHF or UHF slot between New York and Baltimore; spectrum's full.
Further than that! Pretty much the entire I-95 corridor from Southern New Hampshire to Richmond Virginia is booked-solid with television channels. There is virtually no whitespace. (My area has channels 2,3, and 4 open, but none of them is suitable for tiny Iphone/Ipod-like gadgets.)
>>>your little iAndroZune with its 2" stub can't detect the channel, but my purpose-built TV tuner with a 10dBi antenna could pick it up fine... or it could, until the iAndroZune started stepping all over it.
Quoted for truth.
>>>people simply can't seem to get the engineering issues through their heads.
They understand, but they just don't care. They want their internet-capable whitespace Ipods/Cellphones/et cetera and they want them NOW, and they don't care who else might get harmed (over-the-air viewers, cable tv viewers, microphone users, intercom services) by their broadcasts over channels 2 to 51. In typical selfish-American fashion, they care about nothing but themselves.
My generation (the 80s) was called the Me Generation (as embodied by Madonna's Material Girl song), but today's Entitlement Generation seems far, far worse than anything we ever did. They don't care about "playing nice" with their neighbors; they will trample over other people and if that destroys television/wireless microphones and harms the users of those devices, then so be it.
"You have to break a couple eggs to make an omelet" said the Socialist Stalin, and that principle seems to apply today.
P.S. Looks like my comments about being fired are closer-to-the-truth than I realized:
On December 3, 2007, John Dingell (D) of the House Commerce Committee sent a letter to FCC Chairman Kevin Martin stating that "given several events and proceedings over the past year, I am rapidly losing confidence that the commission has been conducting its affairs in an appropriate manner." Martin is under investigation for a lack of transparency in FCC proceedings as well as an abuse of his power in relation to cable industry regulations. He has also been accused of keeping his fellow commissioners in the dark in an attempt to push through policy.
>>>I'd put $50 on him ending up at Google or Microsoft within a year of leaving the FCC.
Well sure! Multiple Congresspeople have written Kevin Martin and told him not to approve whitespace gadgets, or postpone further testing until after the Feb 18 transition. So if Mr. Martin goes-ahead and approves them anyway, he's likely to get fired by the Congress, and he'll need another job. /start sarcasm. I can't fault him if he decides Google/microsoft is his next best choice. /end sarcasm
>>>True however they will happily bankrupt the estate if they can. Parents often wish to pass on wealth to their children, an expensive stay in the hospital or an extended care facility can completely wipe out even the prosperous
>>>
I know some Democrats who would be thrilled at that idea. They genuinely-believe that a parents' wealth should not be passed onto the child. That's why they keep pushing for higher-and-higher "death tax" (inheritance tax).
Yes, but we all know that a nationalist/socialized healthcare system provided by Uncle Sam/government monopoly will result in me (and taxpayers in general) providing free healthcare to smokers and abortion-seekers. I find that morally objectionable. And I don't feel like having that shoved down my throat, anymore than you would wish to have religion shoved down your throat.
...by stealing the money from their neighbors' paychecks, so that one person can buy themselves a new Lexus..... ooops, I mean heart. It's the many sweating/laboring to enrich a single person.
"Republican!" is the insult most people like to direct at the middle part of the U.S..... as if the views/opinions of the "flyover states" have no value.
Well most of the senators/representatives from the rural states (where people are limited to 50k), disagree with you. To quote one letter a Georgia senator sent to the FCC: "Although I support bringing broadband to my rural constituents, damaging their reception of free television is not the correct approach to use. Especially now when the economy is experiencing turmoil. Now is not the time to disrupt established industries. I encourage you to postpone approval of these whitespace devices until a much later date."
I see similar letters coming in from Wyoming, Iowa, Alabama, and New York congressmen/women as well. Mostly Democrats, but also a few Republicans.
>>>Some people don't learn except through direct experience.
Quoted for truth. Some people don't realize the consequences of their actions until it's too late. Like buying a house with "no money down" and then later having to default on the mortgage. If these whitespaces are allowed to happen, a lot of people will be happy... until they discover the consequences like interference on their Cable reception.
Well I have a PC transmitter that broadcasts Internet Radio onto an FM channel (87.9), and it does indeed have a screw to adjust the power level to higher settings. I turned it to maximum and was able to receive the signal almost a mile away from my house. It was an extremely-easy modification.
Since broadcasting at such high levels violates FCC rules, I turned it back down to just cover my backyard.
>>>If you got your pre-recorded entertainment off of the internet instead of waiting for a broadcaster to send it out, it wouldn't matter how few channels you got.
>>>
Over-the-air television provides a 20 megabit/second connection. Point me to an internet company that provides that same service for free or almost-free.
That's right; it doesn't exist.
If they refuse to comply with FCC regulations, then yes you are authorized to take whatever means necessary to end their transmission.
Power == 40 mA; Bandwidth == 1 television channel; testing == FCC.gov; www.nab.org; http://www.interferencezones.com/
I think it's interesting looking at the list of Congresspeople who are AGAINST white space devices (bottom of page). Senator Hillary Clinton is the most prominent. Others include:
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Charlie Rangel (D-NY)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Bobby Rush (D-IL)
John Dingell (D-MI)
Mel Martinez (R-FL)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Charles E. Grassley (R-IA)
Johny Isakson (R-GA)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Sue Myrick (R-9th)
Howard Coble (R-6th)
Robin Hayes (R-8th)
Melvin L. Watt (D-12th)
Mike McIntyre (D-7th)
G. K. Butterfield (D-NC)
Walter B. Jones (R-NC)
David Price (D-4th)
Heath Shuler (D-11th)
Bob Etheridge (D-2nd)
Brad Miller (D-13th)
Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Tom Latham (R-IA)
Robert B. Aderholt (R-AL)
Jo Bonner (R-AL)
Mark Souder (R-IN)
Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ)
Jon Porter (R-NV)
Charles A. Gonzalez (D-TX)
Bart Gordon (D-TN)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Well, I would be far more-impressed if I saw the headline "Ubuntu outperforms XP". Now that would be truly something.
Well. You have a Right to Free Speech, and you can direct your speech at a doctor, and request that he heal your sick body. As a professional the doctor will do his best to accommodate you.
What you do NOT have a right to do is take your Bill, hand it to your neighbors, and force them to pay the bill. That's theft.
It's YOUR bill; you should pay for it yourself. Same as when you buy a Lexus, you pay the bill yourself; you don't make your neighbors pay for it.
>>>Firstly, it is considered a right that you will be able to live your life with some semblance of dignity
There is NO such right, because in order for that right to exist, you must STEAL MONEY from your neighbors' weekly paychecks. You do not have a right to commit theft. That's exactly what the Plantation Masters used to do when they made black & white slaves work without pay.
One other thought:
Government Healthcare == doomed to fail.
Who do you know that lives forever? Nobody. Which is why government hospitals don't make sense. There's no limit to how much a government could spend on a single patient (new heart, new lungs, life-sustaining machines, biotic limbs), and yet even if the government spent a Trillion dollars per patient, ultimately they will all die.
The entire goal of the system (stop death) is unobtainable, and the governments will bankrupt themselves trying.
>>>I have to question whether a lack of health insurance really means a lack of medical service. I know some poor people, and they receive medical service much more frequently than I do. They receive free medical care and free medicines.
>>>
Yes. I don't have health insurance either. Or car insurance. That's by choice, because I can save money by not paying for the insurance premiums. Instead I pay-out cash for everything (actually credit card, but it still comes out of my pocket).