(Since your post is just a verbatim copy of one you've written elsewhere on this thread, I'll duplicate my reply...)
But porting a customer's website to Chili!Soft isn't just a case of copying over the VBScript: chances are their site will be utilising third-party COM components which aren't available under Linux.
(I don't mean that COM components in general aren't available, just that the particular COM components already in use by the customer probably aren't).
But porting a customer's website to Chili!Soft isn't just a case of copying over the VBScript: chances are their site will be utilising third-party COM components which aren't available under Linux.
(I don't mean that COM components in general aren't available, just that the particular COM components already in use by the customer probably aren't).
I've used Chili!Soft ASP on Linux and whilst it works, I'll be very happy not to ever use it again. Here's why.
The reason ASP is a winner in the win32 world is the availability of third-party COM components to do all the heavy lifting. The ASP "developer" generally just writes VBScript to hook this stuff together. More advanced developers might write their own components, but the reason it's so popular is that you don't have to.
This isn't the case under Linux, with Chili!Soft ASP... The third-party components aren't there (no binary compatability between platforms), so all your logic has to be done in your scripting language, eg VBScript - which soon ceases to be fun. You can write your own components but it's decidedly non-trivial, much more so than in the win32 world where the tools for doing so are well developed.
I'll stick to Python I think. And especially Zope.
Yeah - Microsoft is good at looking down the road a few years and talking about what that world is like... The fact that they're looking down the wrong road is irrelevant. And they're particularly good at the talking-about-it part.
I've often thought that the logical conclusion of this process (enforcement of copy protection) would be the advent of a "licence to assemble" policy.
Since any copy protection (it seems) can be worked around by intelligent, motivated, people, I think the best way to stop those people seems to be to take away their fundamental tool: the ability to create arbitrary programs running on Turing machines.
Ultimately this would be done by issuing very limited licences to assemble against the hardware (which is, after all, owned by megacorps). OS writers and implementors of languages would be among the few allowed to assemble freely, and their efforts would be closely monitored by those parties issuing the licences.
The tools which trickled down to everyone else (OSes - even "free" ones, languages, set-top boxes, stereos, cars, wristwatches, phones, etc) would be hobbled by what amounted to copy-protection-enabled versions of read(), write(), and other low-level functions, effectively. It would be impossible to remove this copy protection because it's built in to fundamental parts of the system which could not be reassembled (legally, at least) without the proper licence.
Of course, people would break it - reverse engineering and all that - but could this defiance be done on a sufficiently large scale to make the system unworkable, if the system was codified in law?
Are you willing to go to prison to defend your right to assemble? Are you willing to die for it?
Scary shit, huh? I just hope information's purported desire to be free will be sufficient to route around this threat. But I have my doubts...
Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. I agree that the original poster didn't mention unit tests. My point, however, was the following:
The absence of proper unit testing could be logically inferred from the reports of continual breakage, since proper application of unit tests would imply that this process (of continual breakage) was not allowed to continue.
Formally, (A => not B) => (B => not A), by which I mean, "If A implies not B, then B implies not A".
Apologies for any confusion caused.
BTW, I'm not making any claims about the infallibility of XP here - I'm just nit-picking at logic, really.
Yeah, but unit tests are probably the most fundamental concept to XP. Throwing them away is not "the tiniest deviation" - you're completely destroying the feedback loop at the heart of the methodology.
Sure, he did make that assumption backwards from you said - but I fail to see how "things were constantly being broken" and "they adhered to unit testing" are compatible.
Um, mp3s sound just fine to me. Now, I'm no cloth-ears... I can tell "shit" sound quality from "good", better than most people I know, and I find mp3s perfectly adequate - certainly as listenable as a CD. That's not to say I can't hear the difference... I just don't think it's worth worrying about, and I certainly wouldn't say mp3s were "shit".
Anyone remember the great CD vs vinyl argument? Yes, vinyl is warmer/nicer but CD got "good enough" pretty quickly and nobody gave a damn. So it is with mp3 vs CD: Yes, mp3 is worse, but not much worse and certainly good enough - and sooooo much more convenient, which is where mp3 really wins.
Your point about new mail notifications and the like is a reasonable one, but I wouldn't rank it above "slightly annoying"... If I download a "bad" mp3 from napster, there are usually plenty of other versions of the same track there - I just pick one with a different file size and try again!
And of course this isn't a problem with mp3s you've ripped yourself (which is what I mostly do anyway), but that's not really got anything to do with this discussion I guess... All the same, I suggest you have a go some time, you might be pleasantly suprised.
That all sounds great, and it's a hell of an achievement, but reading about it reminds me of how I felt one day about five years ago... I'd been getting into MUSHing (Multi User Shared Hallucination - like a MUD but without the D&D style stuff), particularly on UKMush and Fantasia, and got quite into creating objects, rooms, etc. and generally "psychocoding"... But one day I realised that nothing I was creating was real, or at least that it had no reality outside of the game - and very limted "value" within the game. Once this hit me my compulsion to play the game just dried up. I felt quite sad about it.:-)
Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue in a *really* big, rich environment like Magnus311X describes - maybe with an exp system and guilds that meant something I might have felt that my efforts had value. But in the end I jsut looked back on the hours I'd spent and said "waste".
Having said that, what *was* worthwhile was the communication aspect... It was quite exciting to talk in realtime to some random guy in Singapore. And hell, it was my first Internet experience, so in that respect I guess it was great for me!:-)
OK, I'm rambling now so I'll stop.:-)
Oh, and Happy New Millenium, everybody!
-Andy
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Yes, and you have *two* of them, both feeding your brain information which it recombines into an internal _3-d_ "picture" of your surroundings...
You need to stop listening to the voices in your head without questioning what they're saying.:-)
This is a project on installing Linux literally from scratch. Probably no better/simpler way of forcing yourself to learn the nitty gritty details, than having to install binutils, fileutils et al yourself...:-)
Exceptions occur, for instance the "Stone of Scone", a slab of sandstone which was the seat of Scottish Kings until 1296 when the English "stole" it and placed it in Westminster Abbey (under the seat in which English monarchs are coronated, I believe). The stone was returned to Scotland in 1996 after much campaigning (700 years of it, arguably).
So there's hope for the Rosetta Stone after all. It just might take another 600 years.:-)
Personally I'd rather the Germans had the Enigma, if they'd only take better care of it than we have. The neglect of Bletchley Park since WW2 is a sad sad story, especially if you're a geek...
Did this story start out as not being under the "Your Rights Online" banner? I saw it when I logged on, then read the "Interconnections" story (great book!), then came back and it had gone... It had disappeared because I ordinarily have YRO switched off.
At this point I'm wishing the moderation categories included "Did you even read the bloody article?"
Go and read it. They're not suing, they're threatening to. What for exactly? Well, why not GO AND READ THE ARTICLE and find out, before posting a reply that asks dumb questions!!!
Check out "The Fountains Of Paradise" by Arthur C. Clarke. It's all about building one of these on a fictional island which is basically Sri Lanka shifted a few degrees south so it sits on the equator.
Also lots of funky theological stuff involving our first contact with an alien spaceship (it zips through the solar system, talking to us for about 100 days, then it's gone).
Slashdot Mirror
Just saw your other reply.
:-)
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(Since your post is just a verbatim copy of one you've written elsewhere on this thread, I'll duplicate my reply...)
But porting a customer's website to Chili!Soft isn't just a case of copying over the VBScript: chances are their site will be utilising third-party COM components which aren't available under Linux.
(I don't mean that COM components in general aren't available, just that the particular COM components already in use by the customer probably aren't).
-Andy
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But porting a customer's website to Chili!Soft isn't just a case of copying over the VBScript: chances are their site will be utilising third-party COM components which aren't available under Linux.
(I don't mean that COM components in general aren't available, just that the particular COM components already in use by the customer probably aren't).
-Andy
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I've used Chili!Soft ASP on Linux and whilst it works, I'll be very happy not to ever use it again. Here's why.
The reason ASP is a winner in the win32 world is the availability of third-party COM components to do all the heavy lifting. The ASP "developer" generally just writes VBScript to hook this stuff together. More advanced developers might write their own components, but the reason it's so popular is that you don't have to.
This isn't the case under Linux, with Chili!Soft ASP... The third-party components aren't there (no binary compatability between platforms), so all your logic has to be done in your scripting language, eg VBScript - which soon ceases to be fun. You can write your own components but it's decidedly non-trivial, much more so than in the win32 world where the tools for doing so are well developed.
I'll stick to Python I think. And especially Zope.
-Andy
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As Knuth says:
:-)
"Premature optimisation is the root of all evil".
Of course, he'd probably have said it with a z.
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Since when was C an "exotic" language?
-Andy
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Yeah - Microsoft is good at looking down the road a few years and talking about what that world is like... The fact that they're looking down the wrong road is irrelevant. And they're particularly good at the talking-about-it part.
:-)
Hmmm, a bit like Slashdot...
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I've often thought that the logical conclusion of this process (enforcement of copy protection) would be the advent of a "licence to assemble" policy.
Since any copy protection (it seems) can be worked around by intelligent, motivated, people, I think the best way to stop those people seems to be to take away their fundamental tool: the ability to create arbitrary programs running on Turing machines.
Ultimately this would be done by issuing very limited licences to assemble against the hardware (which is, after all, owned by megacorps). OS writers and implementors of languages would be among the few allowed to assemble freely, and their efforts would be closely monitored by those parties issuing the licences.
The tools which trickled down to everyone else (OSes - even "free" ones, languages, set-top boxes, stereos, cars, wristwatches, phones, etc) would be hobbled by what amounted to copy-protection-enabled versions of read(), write(), and other low-level functions, effectively. It would be impossible to remove this copy protection because it's built in to fundamental parts of the system which could not be reassembled (legally, at least) without the proper licence.
Of course, people would break it - reverse engineering and all that - but could this defiance be done on a sufficiently large scale to make the system unworkable, if the system was codified in law?
Are you willing to go to prison to defend your right to assemble? Are you willing to die for it?
Scary shit, huh? I just hope information's purported desire to be free will be sufficient to route around this threat. But I have my doubts...
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> Have I done enough to earn a "redundant"?
No, because you failed to repeat my assertion that they obviously didn't sound alike.
:-)
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Sorry, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. I agree that the original poster didn't mention unit tests. My point, however, was the following:
The absence of proper unit testing could be logically inferred from the reports of continual breakage, since proper application of unit tests would imply that this process (of continual breakage) was not allowed to continue.
Formally, (A => not B) => (B => not A), by which I mean, "If A implies not B, then B implies not A".
Apologies for any confusion caused.
BTW, I'm not making any claims about the infallibility of XP here - I'm just nit-picking at logic, really.
Fascinating debate...
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Yeah, but unit tests are probably the most fundamental concept to XP. Throwing them away is not "the tiniest deviation" - you're completely destroying the feedback loop at the heart of the methodology.
:-)
Sure, he did make that assumption backwards from you said - but I fail to see how "things were constantly being broken" and "they adhered to unit testing" are compatible.
Not that I know shit. Shrug.
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Does ".net" sound like "java"?
Obviously not. Try saying them both out loud in quick succession and you should be able to hear the difference.
Next question...?
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Um, mp3s sound just fine to me. Now, I'm no cloth-ears... I can tell "shit" sound quality from "good", better than most people I know, and I find mp3s perfectly adequate - certainly as listenable as a CD. That's not to say I can't hear the difference... I just don't think it's worth worrying about, and I certainly wouldn't say mp3s were "shit".
Anyone remember the great CD vs vinyl argument? Yes, vinyl is warmer/nicer but CD got "good enough" pretty quickly and nobody gave a damn. So it is with mp3 vs CD: Yes, mp3 is worse, but not much worse and certainly good enough - and sooooo much more convenient, which is where mp3 really wins.
Your point about new mail notifications and the like is a reasonable one, but I wouldn't rank it above "slightly annoying"... If I download a "bad" mp3 from napster, there are usually plenty of other versions of the same track there - I just pick one with a different file size and try again!
And of course this isn't a problem with mp3s you've ripped yourself (which is what I mostly do anyway), but that's not really got anything to do with this discussion I guess... All the same, I suggest you have a go some time, you might be pleasantly suprised.
OK, just my rambling 2p on mp3s...
-Andy
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That all sounds great, and it's a hell of an achievement, but reading about it reminds me of how I felt one day about five years ago... I'd been getting into MUSHing (Multi User Shared Hallucination - like a MUD but without the D&D style stuff), particularly on UKMush and Fantasia, and got quite into creating objects, rooms, etc. and generally "psychocoding"... But one day I realised that nothing I was creating was real, or at least that it had no reality outside of the game - and very limted "value" within the game. Once this hit me my compulsion to play the game just dried up. I felt quite sad about it. :-)
:-)
:-)
Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue in a *really* big, rich environment like Magnus311X describes - maybe with an exp system and guilds that meant something I might have felt that my efforts had value. But in the end I jsut looked back on the hours I'd spent and said "waste".
Having said that, what *was* worthwhile was the communication aspect... It was quite exciting to talk in realtime to some random guy in Singapore. And hell, it was my first Internet experience, so in that respect I guess it was great for me!
OK, I'm rambling now so I'll stop.
Oh, and Happy New Millenium, everybody!
-Andy
Yes, and you have *two* of them, both feeding your brain information which it recombines into an internal _3-d_ "picture" of your surroundings...
:-)
You need to stop listening to the voices in your head without questioning what they're saying.
-Andy
Great, so now I get RSI in my *eyelids*...
Just what I need!
-Andy
I saw a link once which shows you how to make your own distro...
:-)
Do you mean Linux From Scratch?
This is a project on installing Linux literally from scratch. Probably no better/simpler way of forcing yourself to learn the nitty gritty details, than having to install binutils, fileutils et al yourself...
-Andy
Indeed: It's that last sentence that says it all:
;-)
Unless you're running an ad blocker proxy, it's going to get really hard to ignore ads on the web soon.
Therefore I will be running an ad blocker proxy.
Another thought: I guess there'll be money to be made in selling these ad blocking services. But how would you advertise them?
-Andy
The story is told here, in The Jargon File: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/ping. html
-Andy
Exceptions occur, for instance the "Stone of Scone", a slab of sandstone which was the seat of Scottish Kings until 1296 when the English "stole" it and placed it in Westminster Abbey (under the seat in which English monarchs are coronated, I believe). The stone was returned to Scotland in 1996 after much campaigning (700 years of it, arguably).
:-)
So there's hope for the Rosetta Stone after all. It just might take another 600 years.
Personally I'd rather the Germans had the Enigma, if they'd only take better care of it than we have. The neglect of Bletchley Park since WW2 is a sad sad story, especially if you're a geek...
(More info on the Stone of Scone here.)
Lego Monty Python & The Holy Grail???
You know what I say to that...
It's only a model!
(Sssshhhhhh!)
Did this story start out as not being under the "Your Rights Online" banner? I saw it when I logged on, then read the "Interconnections" story (great book!), then came back and it had gone... It had disappeared because I ordinarily have YRO switched off.
Or maybe a Slashcode glitch?
Just wondering out loud... Hey ho.
-Andy
I'm so happy! I have both of these books on my desk!
Of course, I haven't read them yet... Does that still count?
-Andy
At this point I'm wishing the moderation categories included "Did you even read the bloody article?"
Go and read it. They're not suing, they're threatening to. What for exactly? Well, why not GO AND READ THE ARTICLE and find out, before posting a reply that asks dumb questions!!!
Check out "The Fountains Of Paradise" by Arthur C. Clarke. It's all about building one of these on a fictional island which is basically Sri Lanka shifted a few degrees south so it sits on the equator.
Also lots of funky theological stuff involving our first contact with an alien spaceship (it zips through the solar system, talking to us for about 100 days, then it's gone).
Man, it's time I read it again...