> everything is an object in Java too. or am i missing something?
Yep, namely that everything in Java isn't an object, like an int or a boolean. In Smalltalk, _EVERYTHING_ is an object. It's a very elegant language and kind of fun to work with.
That said, I'm still going to use Java for more than I'm going to use Smalltalk for.
Video of this was on the Discovery channel several years ago, this isn't new. Very, VERY erie watching the thing negotiate stairs with aplomb, I must say.
Lots of financial shops have gone OO (a la Smalltalk) and they're loving it.
Obviously the OO philosophy has its limitations, but it can also create very elegant and appropriate designs.
"I seriously suspect these people of being more interested in doing CGI programming at 75$/hr than protecting the environment.. Besides, they're not even running Solaris:)"
I'm always amazed when people criticize or assign motives to people they don't even know. I, OTOH, _do_ know them, and don't see anything wrong with combining two interests and skills in a commercial fashion-what, in fact, could possible make more sense?
They do some Linux hosting, too, btw.
Dave
"They do it because it's the most profitable, expedient way of conducting business in the existing market and it has been so for ages."
It is expedient. Long term, it isn't as profitable, and there are real live living companies that can prove it. If more companies did it they, and we, would be far better off.
Pah. A pox on you and your like. Whatever happened to pure HACK VALUE? Sorry, but building the equivalent of a commercial machine for fun is neat, fun, and educational.
Go buy your little Rio and leave the real hackers be.
Obviously you Don't Get It. So give your money to somebody else and don't worry about it. Let the people that want to hack a cool embedded system have some fun.
IMnsHO, I'll learn more than the ~$50-100 dollars I'll save over buying a ready-made MP3 player and that's more than a fair tradeoff.
I reckon we all should have just used existing computers and operating systems 'cuz they're just another clone that provide the same functionality.
How would a non-company man (independant developer) go about making money writing free software?
In other words, if I do not work for a company that pays my salary and I write free software how am I to earn an income from said software? Assume for the moment that I am unwilling and/or unable to provide any sort of permanent support for this package.
You said: "A Hacker is someone who derives joy from discovering ways to cirvumvent limitations, while a Cracker, on the other hand, is someone who intentionally commiting CRIME using his/her knowledge of hi-tech hacking."
Circumvent limitations? Hackers are people who enjoy solving problems, pure and simple. Seems to me like a cracker is someone who derives joy (and maybe money!) from circumventing security systems.
You said: "... especially when the people who frequent/. are supposed to be better than the average joe-on-the-street. We are supposed to be the people who understand things better. "
Huh? Who on earth ever claimed/. peeps were "better" than anyone else? Oh, wait, does this mean I finally get to wear my 3l1t3 badge now?!
Good grief.
You said: "My only hope for the new millennium (just a few days away) is the people who frequent slashdot.org would respect China's right in carrying out its duty to protect its own citizenry."
By executing somebody that stole something shy of $100K? Good heavens...
You said: "Of course, these people are experts. They would package their condemnations in such ways that they would appeared to be non-racist. But we all know the true reasons behind all those condemnations. "
Oh really? You know my "true reasons" for condemning a government for executing someone that stole $87K? Because I'm a _racist_? You don't even know what race I am.
You said: "I mean, are the poor souls who were put to death in the USA _less_ dead than their counterparts in China? "
Of course not. But our dead people take up less space.
You said: "Want to demand China to stop executing its own people? Let the United States be the first one to put a stop of all its capital punishment cases. Then perhaps you can start demanding China to do the same. "
Guess what, Skippy-I do ask that the US stops executing people. Guess what else-I don't make the decisions around here. I'll admit, I have a bit more eye-for-an-eye mentality than many of my ilk-I see a big difference between executing someone that raped and killed a child and someone that stole $100K.
It _was_ about a box. It was about a _box_ that did multimedia faster because of innovative hardware and a decent OS. (Caveat: Never much of an Amiga user.)
Don't tell me I missed the point, that's just condescending. Don't try to justify yet another change in direction by telling me that it wasn't about a box.
So what do you think you'll have running on other platforms on top of other OSs? (Hmm, there's an idea-a portable run-time environment. What should we call it? I know! Jabba!)
Slashdot Mirror
I think that fuzzy logic is more appropriate for home automation projects like climate control.
> everything is an object in Java too. or am i missing something?
Yep, namely that everything in Java isn't an object, like an int or a boolean. In Smalltalk, _EVERYTHING_ is an object. It's a very elegant language and kind of fun to work with.
That said, I'm still going to use Java for more than I'm going to use Smalltalk for.
Dave
> astonishingly inventive new technologies like the PS 2
I don't get it. What's so astonishing about a game platform? The PS2 is purely evolutionary.
Dave
Video of this was on the Discovery channel several years ago, this isn't new. Very, VERY erie watching the thing negotiate stairs with aplomb, I must say.
...I didn't think OpenGL sucked _that_ much.
Gives ghostwriting a new spin, at the very least.
Lots of financial shops have gone OO (a la Smalltalk) and they're loving it. Obviously the OO philosophy has its limitations, but it can also create very elegant and appropriate designs.
"I seriously suspect these people of being more interested in doing CGI programming at 75$/hr than protecting the environment.. Besides, they're not even running Solaris :)"
I'm always amazed when people criticize or assign motives to people they don't even know. I, OTOH, _do_ know them, and don't see anything wrong with combining two interests and skills in a commercial fashion-what, in fact, could possible make more sense?
They do some Linux hosting, too, btw.
Dave
"he could be sued just the same and no one would think twice."
He isn't just being sued.
"They do it because it's the most profitable, expedient way of conducting business in the existing market and it has been so for ages."
It is expedient. Long term, it isn't as profitable, and there are real live living companies that can prove it. If more companies did it they, and we, would be far better off.
"Oh, YARC (Yet Another Rio Clone)."
"Oh, I can get a Rio for the same amount."
Pah. A pox on you and your like. Whatever happened to pure HACK VALUE? Sorry, but building the equivalent of a commercial machine for fun is neat, fun, and educational.
Go buy your little Rio and leave the real hackers be.
Dave
Obviously you Don't Get It. So give your money to somebody else and don't worry about it. Let the people that want to hack a cool embedded system have some fun.
IMnsHO, I'll learn more than the ~$50-100 dollars I'll save over buying a ready-made MP3 player and that's more than a fair tradeoff.
I reckon we all should have just used existing computers and operating systems 'cuz they're just another clone that provide the same functionality.
Dave
How would a non-company man (independant developer) go about making money writing free software?
In other words, if I do not work for a company that pays my salary and I write free software how am I to earn an income from said software? Assume for the moment that I am unwilling and/or unable to provide any sort of permanent support for this package.
Dave
It can store 82 hours of music, but can it _play_ 82 hours of music? I'd be curious to battery life, even with the buffering.
What're the shock ratings of the IBM HD?
Also, good idea putting USB on it!
You said: "A Hacker is someone who derives joy from discovering ways to cirvumvent limitations, while a Cracker, on the other hand, is someone who intentionally commiting CRIME using his/her knowledge of hi-tech hacking."
/. are supposed to be better than the average joe-on-the-street. We are supposed to be the people who understand things better. "
/. peeps were "better" than anyone else? Oh, wait, does this mean I finally get to wear my 3l1t3 badge now?!
Circumvent limitations? Hackers are people who enjoy solving problems, pure and simple. Seems to me like a cracker is someone who derives joy (and maybe money!) from circumventing security systems.
You said: "... especially when the people who frequent
Huh? Who on earth ever claimed
Good grief.
You said: "My only hope for the new millennium (just a few days away) is the people who frequent slashdot.org would respect China's right in carrying out its duty to protect its own citizenry."
By executing somebody that stole something shy of $100K? Good heavens...
You said: "Of course, these people are experts. They would package their condemnations in such ways that they would appeared to be non-racist. But we all know the true reasons behind all those condemnations. "
Oh really? You know my "true reasons" for condemning a government for executing someone that stole $87K? Because I'm a _racist_? You don't even know what race I am.
You said: "I mean, are the poor souls who were put to death in the USA _less_ dead than their counterparts in China? "
Of course not. But our dead people take up less space.
You said: "Want to demand China to stop executing its own people? Let the United States be the first one to put a stop of all its capital punishment cases. Then perhaps you can start demanding China to do the same. "
Guess what, Skippy-I do ask that the US stops executing people. Guess what else-I don't make the decisions around here. I'll admit, I have a bit more eye-for-an-eye mentality than many of my ilk-I see a big difference between executing someone that raped and killed a child and someone that stole $100K.
Guess that makes me racist.
Dave
Well, read through the statement. Yegads.
It _was_ about a box. It was about a _box_ that did multimedia faster because of innovative hardware and a decent OS. (Caveat: Never much of an Amiga user.)
Don't tell me I missed the point, that's just condescending. Don't try to justify yet another change in direction by telling me that it wasn't about a box.
So what do you think you'll have running on other platforms on top of other OSs? (Hmm, there's an idea-a portable run-time environment. What should we call it? I know! Jabba!)
Geezo.