Microsoft is making a big deal out of the fact that developers can code using C++, C#, VB.NET or whatever, while Java developers have only the one language, and this much is true...
However there is no reason why bytecode compilers cannot be written for other languages. What always struck me about Java was Sun restricting the coder in this way. If you look at the new Amiga platform you'll see thay took a better route - different compilers for the virtual machine (and a better virtual machine at that...)
This is one of those situations where the software running on a system should be open source. One of the main points of a democracy should be it's transparency, and a closed source voting system prevents that at the most critical point - how the votes are collected and counted.
This is -good news- , but where can I buy this. I've spent alot of time trying to download DebIan, but thanks to BT, it's never quite happened. SuSEs CDs are great and stuff, but I've never been able to attempt DebIan without a bag full of floppies. Give me a URL (in EU if pos).
The game is about green themes like eco-friendliness, but the 3d algorithm is quite standard, and does not use "natural mathematics". Just looks like an old miggy 40k intro to me.
Hacking clever tricks on standard clever graphics hardware, understanding what -everything- does at the age of 14 in less than a week, having a really efficient OS, being able to make that OS draw something on the screen -quickly- (ie not using X).
The only good things about Linux are: It's open Seperate window manager
Anyway, don't get me wrong. The Amiga's dead. I've just got to discover the next cool hacking toy.
what http://thor.prohosting.com/~bengy/m_milanii.htm actually says
"Probably the most important step is that the Milan II will have a 060 processor by standard which has a distinctly greater efficiency than the smaller 040 brother."
68060: now that -is- the cutting edge.
"Beyond this there will be SDRAM simm banks in the new Milan so that Milan users will be able to use the modern, faster and cheaper memory chips in the future."
-SDRAM- I never thought that was possible.;)
"Another important step is the asynchronous clock which allows to run the bus and CPU clock independently from each other. That means that the CPU will be timed not only with 25 or 50 MHz but in several steps up to (probably) 100 MHz while the PCI bus will be supplied with the 33 MHz which is necessary for it."
-asynchronous clock- So you have chips running at diffrent speeds. Ohmygod.
"In order not to loose contact (you can really say that) to future, external devices, the Milan gets 2 USB ports from the start which shall make it possible to connect cheap scanners, printers, digital cameras, Internet phones etc. Further more, the Milan has 3 ISA- and 4 PCI interfaces."
Please stop; you're killing me.
"The hardware includes material of well-known producers. The sound card, a SB 64 pnp, is delivered by Creative Labs, the hard disk on the other hand is by Maxtor (8,4 Gbyte), the graphics card is delivered by ATI, the driver software supports the ATI Rage Pro with up to 16 MB. The keyboard will include Cherry technology and, like the mouse, provided with a Milan logo. The latter is delivered by Logitech, one of the leading quality mouse producers worldwide."
So... Standard sound card, hard drive, graphics chip, keyboard and mouse, all with the -Milan logo- Dunno about you, but I'm impressed.
OK. But what do we do next. I need clever h/w, for clever tricks. What OS/hw platform will let me do that. Can I turn off Linux/Win 9x/Win NT/Mac OS? to let me get straight to a standard custom h/w. No.
So next time, please understand why we're getting upset. You're running Linux on an x86; a poor OS (cos it's U*IX based) running on a poor h/w platform.
The thing about the Miggy was that it was the perfect 2D graphics machine. Planar graphics was great for 2D effects (Street Fighter scroll, SW scroll, 1/4 pixel scroll (that's quarter of a pixel scrolling in AA - thanks all the same), clever fake alpha chanelling, h/w scrolling, multiplexed sprite handelling, dual playfields, and that's not to mention the copper.
I just feel sorry for all the yanks that never played with it.
Thankyou. But the Amiga, like any other computer, only really matters if it is up to date. I don't care about processor (x86 is sh*t, PPC, Alpha or ARM is better), and the Amiga OS is good (OS 3.5 is just a hack), but not good enough.
Let's get real. We need a cool computer (whatever happened to the A\Box), with a cool OS (QNX/Be). I don't know, but programming POSIX stuff using X is -not- the way forward.
You're right. And you're a troll (Score 0). But you're wrong because you believe that Linux only exists to fight MS. MS -does- produce badly written OSs, and we should dislike them for that. And you're right, Linux isn't perfect. But Linux is at least open. As Amigans we all knew we had the best system, but it died when Ali screwed it up. It's a shame that we are now limited to idealogically good (open), but badly implemented systems (Linux, IBM comp), and propitary (sp?, closed), but well implemented systems (QNX, Be, AMIRAGE, Alpha, CHRP). Neither has cool custom chips. Anyway, when was the last time you played with a copper and thought it mattered. Nickos
I have to agree, this does seem to signal the end. I was never an OS coder (but I always knew we had the best), more of a h/w coder, and I now know that the Amiga is finally at rest. I'm just looking for a cool OS (QNX/Be) running on a cool platform (umm? are there any any more - dreamcast/AMIRAGE?). Anyways.
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Is that the same "American Way" that allows unelected politicians to become president?
"Land of the free" my arse...
According to Microsoft, they're working with Rational to do exactly that...
Microsoft is making a big deal out of the fact that developers can code using C++, C#, VB.NET or whatever, while Java developers have only the one language, and this much is true... However there is no reason why bytecode compilers cannot be written for other languages. What always struck me about Java was Sun restricting the coder in this way. If you look at the new Amiga platform you'll see thay took a better route - different compilers for the virtual machine (and a better virtual machine at that...)
This is one of those situations where the software running on a system should be open source. One of the main points of a democracy should be it's transparency, and a closed source voting system prevents that at the most critical point - how the votes are collected and counted.
Has Florida taught the US nothing?
Are you trolling or what...
Apple will be releasing it's first preemptive multitasking OS for public consumption next year
I think he's referring to Proudhon's declaration that "Property is theft". I'm certainly not sure of any Latin connection.
This is -good news- , but where can I buy this. I've spent alot of time trying to download DebIan, but thanks to BT, it's never quite happened. SuSEs CDs are great and stuff, but I've never been able to attempt DebIan without a bag full of floppies. Give me a URL (in EU if pos).
The game is about green themes like eco-friendliness, but the 3d algorithm is quite standard, and does not use "natural mathematics". Just looks like an old miggy 40k intro to me.
U R 4 W4NK3R.
Hacking clever tricks on standard clever graphics hardware, understanding what -everything- does at the age of 14 in less than a week, having a really efficient OS, being able to make that OS draw something on the screen -quickly- (ie not using X).
The only good things about Linux are:
It's open
Seperate window manager
Anyway, don't get me wrong. The Amiga's dead. I've just got to discover the next cool hacking toy.
what
;)
http://thor.prohosting.com/~bengy/m_milanii.htm
actually says
"Probably the most important step is that the Milan II will have a 060 processor by standard which has a distinctly greater efficiency than the smaller 040 brother."
68060: now that -is- the cutting edge.
"Beyond this there will be SDRAM simm banks in the new Milan so that Milan users will be able to use the modern, faster and cheaper memory chips in the future."
-SDRAM- I never thought that was possible.
"Another important step is the asynchronous clock which allows to run the bus and CPU clock independently from each other. That means that the CPU will be timed not only with 25 or 50 MHz but in several steps up to (probably) 100 MHz while the PCI bus will be supplied with the 33 MHz which is necessary for it."
-asynchronous clock- So you have chips running at diffrent speeds. Ohmygod.
"In order not to loose contact (you can really say that) to future, external devices, the Milan gets 2 USB ports from the start which shall make it possible to connect cheap scanners, printers, digital cameras, Internet phones etc. Further more, the Milan has 3 ISA- and 4 PCI interfaces."
Please stop; you're killing me.
"The hardware includes material of well-known producers. The sound card, a SB 64 pnp, is delivered by Creative Labs, the hard disk on the other hand is by Maxtor (8,4 Gbyte), the graphics card is delivered by ATI, the driver software supports the ATI Rage Pro with up to 16 MB. The keyboard will include Cherry technology and, like the mouse, provided with a Milan logo. The latter is delivered by Logitech, one of the leading quality mouse producers worldwide."
So... Standard sound card, hard drive, graphics chip, keyboard and mouse, all with the -Milan logo- Dunno about you, but I'm impressed.
Mind you, Pong etc was cool.
Are you real?
The ST was a 68k + off shelf sound chip + basic frame buffer + MIDI PORT.
I'm laughing, but I should be crying.
OK.
But what do we do next. I need clever h/w, for clever tricks. What OS/hw platform will let me do that. Can I turn off Linux/Win 9x/Win NT/Mac OS? to let me get straight to a standard custom h/w.
No.
I want a clever 2d platform.
If you know what it is, please tell me.
You never owned an Amiga, did you?
So next time, please understand why we're getting upset. You're running Linux on an x86; a poor OS (cos it's U*IX based) running on a poor h/w platform.
Nevermind.
The thing about the Miggy was that it was the perfect 2D graphics machine. Planar graphics was great for 2D effects (Street Fighter scroll, SW scroll, 1/4 pixel scroll (that's quarter of a pixel scrolling in AA - thanks all the same), clever fake alpha chanelling, h/w scrolling, multiplexed sprite handelling, dual playfields, and that's not to mention the copper.
I just feel sorry for all the yanks that never played with it.
Thankyou.
But the Amiga, like any other computer, only really matters if it is up to date. I don't care about processor (x86 is sh*t, PPC, Alpha or ARM is better), and the Amiga OS is good (OS 3.5 is just a hack), but not good enough.
Let's get real.
We need a cool computer (whatever happened to the A\Box), with a cool OS (QNX/Be).
I don't know, but programming POSIX stuff using X is -not- the way forward.
.
You're right. And you're a troll (Score 0). But you're wrong because you believe that Linux only exists to fight MS. MS -does- produce badly written OSs, and we should dislike them for that. And you're right, Linux isn't perfect. But Linux is at least open. As Amigans we all knew we had the best system, but it died when Ali screwed it up. It's a shame that we are now limited to idealogically good (open), but badly implemented systems (Linux, IBM comp), and propitary (sp?, closed), but well implemented systems (QNX, Be, AMIRAGE, Alpha, CHRP). Neither has cool custom chips. Anyway, when was the last time you played with a copper and thought it mattered. Nickos
I have to agree, this does seem to signal the end. I was never an OS coder (but I always knew we had the best), more of a h/w coder, and I now know that the Amiga is finally at rest. I'm just looking for a cool OS (QNX/Be) running on a cool platform (umm? are there any any more - dreamcast/AMIRAGE?). Anyways.