some of the less bright students wern't able to keep up either... but those of us who had a good understanding and interest of the work were able to understand and keep up. -those of us who actually studdied outside of class etc.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, (as they say). perhaps with more engineers who are able to follow a cmoplex equation, (without being nannied through it), perhaps less people would die in various technology accidents, (airplane (read concorde), space shuttles (read challenger) etc etc etc...)
This may seem rude, but I don't see how what you are saying is anything different from saying I was a special needs student who couldn't follow mainstream teching. Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you did go and get your degree, and I'm pleased for you, but your inability to follow a concept delivered at the standard pace oif the course is not a sign of a bad lecturer/course/uni.
perhaps if everyone had the same trouble then yes, -but I envisage that the lecturer wouldn't last for long if that were the case?
blatent bullshit, written by a person who doesn't know a thing about teaching.
When I went to Uni (oddly enough to study engineering), most of my lecturers were also researchers, and I found that they tended to be some of the best teachers for actually being able to relate and re-phrase tpoics until people understood.
In contrast the lecturers who were not research doctors, but exprofessionals were able to give great insight into the practical aplications of what was being learned.
Now I work in a Uni, (I'm a technician), the department I work in is rated as the best in the country for the courses they offer, and odlly enough it's mostly staffed by researchers.
Liek I said in my last comment in this topic, engineering is hard... All that happened is Kern couldn't hack it and he dropped out to an easier subject.
Yes, easier. -compare my 40hr week studying engineering principas, electronic principals, programming and complex maths with that of other friends 8hr weeks at Uni studying arts and media, learning how to use DTP aplications...
Engineering is hard, yes, the world need more engineers, as in real people who can work through real problems, not a load of pussy drop outs like Kern who run away at the first sign that something might be difficult.
IMHO, the reason people don't go into engineering is that the pay is crap.
Engineering is hard! I'm from the UK, I studied electronics, at GCSE level, (along with Metal work) and have two full GCSEs at a good grade in two enginering subjects, I went on to study Electronics at A-level, where again I attained a good grade. I went further on to do muy batchelors degree in electronic engineering, (where again I attained a good grade).
I joined the Institute of Electronic Engineers, (as my course was accredited), as a student member, however upon leaving University, my lecturers wuold not sponsor my applicatiopn to become a full member, saying that people didn't need sponsoring, (though this is exactly the opposite of what the IEE member status registration says. I searched for jobs in engineering, at a graduate level the most i could apparantly hope for was a mere £14,000.
As you can imagine, I keep my electronics as an interest, (I studdied for 7 years so I'm not just going to give it up!!).
But I work as a computer technician, I walked into my first job as a graduate at £17,000 -which is helping to pay off the debts that I gather whilst diligently studying engineering.
My current affairs with electronics, are purely as a hobbist, my learning in a rtade is going to waste, not because I was not good enough, (as I said my grades were actually quite good). but more because the trade was not good to me.
The problem is not the education, it's not the teachers, and I would argue that it is rarely the students,
It's the people at the top, (like the guy writting the comments in the article) that see a problem and don't do anything about it! (other than sit and bitch -just like I'm doing now).
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some of the less bright students wern't able to keep up either... but those of us who had a good understanding and interest of the work were able to understand and keep up. -those of us who actually studdied outside of class etc.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, (as they say).
perhaps with more engineers who are able to follow a cmoplex equation, (without being nannied through it), perhaps less people would die in various technology accidents, (airplane (read concorde), space shuttles (read challenger) etc etc etc...)
This may seem rude, but I don't see how what you are saying is anything different from saying I was a special needs student who couldn't follow mainstream teching.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you did go and get your degree, and I'm pleased for you, but your inability to follow a concept delivered at the standard pace oif the course is not a sign of a bad lecturer/course/uni.
perhaps if everyone had the same trouble then yes, -but I envisage that the lecturer wouldn't last for long if that were the case?
blatent bullshit, written by a person who doesn't know a thing about teaching. When I went to Uni (oddly enough to study engineering), most of my lecturers were also researchers, and I found that they tended to be some of the best teachers for actually being able to relate and re-phrase tpoics until people understood. In contrast the lecturers who were not research doctors, but exprofessionals were able to give great insight into the practical aplications of what was being learned. Now I work in a Uni, (I'm a technician), the department I work in is rated as the best in the country for the courses they offer, and odlly enough it's mostly staffed by researchers. Liek I said in my last comment in this topic, engineering is hard... All that happened is Kern couldn't hack it and he dropped out to an easier subject. Yes, easier. -compare my 40hr week studying engineering principas, electronic principals, programming and complex maths with that of other friends 8hr weeks at Uni studying arts and media, learning how to use DTP aplications... Engineering is hard, yes, the world need more engineers, as in real people who can work through real problems, not a load of pussy drop outs like Kern who run away at the first sign that something might be difficult. IMHO, the reason people don't go into engineering is that the pay is crap.
Engineering is hard!
I'm from the UK, I studied electronics, at GCSE level, (along with Metal work) and have two full GCSEs at a good grade in two enginering subjects,
I went on to study Electronics at A-level, where again I attained a good grade.
I went further on to do muy batchelors degree in electronic engineering, (where again I attained a good grade).
I joined the Institute of Electronic Engineers, (as my course was accredited), as a student member, however upon leaving University, my lecturers wuold not sponsor my applicatiopn to become a full member, saying that people didn't need sponsoring, (though this is exactly the opposite of what the IEE member status registration says.
I searched for jobs in engineering, at a graduate level the most i could apparantly hope for was a mere £14,000.
As you can imagine, I keep my electronics as an interest, (I studdied for 7 years so I'm not just going to give it up!!).
But I work as a computer technician, I walked into my first job as a graduate at £17,000 -which is helping to pay off the debts that I gather whilst diligently studying engineering.
My current affairs with electronics, are purely as a hobbist, my learning in a rtade is going to waste, not because I was not good enough, (as I said my grades were actually quite good). but more because the trade was not good to me.
The problem is not the education, it's not the teachers, and I would argue that it is rarely the students,
It's the people at the top, (like the guy writting the comments in the article) that see a problem and don't do anything about it! (other than sit and bitch -just like I'm doing now).