To be blunt, the Silicon roundabout area has exploded in the last 5 years without government 'help'. RedMonk now estimate over 3000 tech related start-ups in the area (and the area is geographically small). Government wants to help? They should pretty much stay out of the way, excepting helping create more space for this environment to flourish in. The local council recently rejected a bid to renovate a derelict building into a tech start-up campus and community space with major ties to the local community (high school kids from the more deprived side of the area). It would've been nice if the government had supported that sort of initiative.
I appreciate the sentiment, I think those who know me and have seen my various public statements over the last few years would agree I haven't started drinking from the kool-aid yet:-), but it's important to be challenged on that.
This always saddens me slightly, the Java platform/ecosystem has delivered and continues to deliver amazing things for developers, at the moment it's going throuhg a clear resurgence, so 'going nowhere fast' is I think somewhat incorrect. Like I said Oracle's done some good things and some not so good things, but they _are_ moving that platform forward and that's awesome for everyone involved in Java.
Are there other cool technology stacks outside of Java? Hell yes, I love using other languages - Horses for courses and all that.
FYI - I'm the London JUG co-leader, we have a seat on the Java Standards Body (aka the JCP) and I've seen first hand the Oracle and Java community challenges:-).
I think Oracle's record with the Java community is turning around in the right direction. They clearly didn't know how to the deal with the community to begin with, but I'll give em credit for trying their damnedest to get better at it! For example:
They offer amazing amounts of (no strings attached) support to the Java User Groups (we've certainly had it better than we did under Sun). They put their $/£ where their mouth is and offer logistical support for user group events to boot (again, no strings attached).
They set a date for Java 7, and they delivered the darn thing.
They're working on the JCP reforms, starting with openness and transparency (JSR-348) and they will have a follow-up JSR to address all of the legal/licensing etc concerns (promises to be a humdinger of a mailing list).
They've gotten a number of major community players into the OpenJDK (some will argue dubiously, but hey having Apple, SAP, IBM, RedHat on board is not to be sneezed at).
Now before the sceptics spit out their coffee:
Have they screwed up a bunch of times? Yeah sure they have, Hudson/Jenkins, the Java Web Start thing and a few others.
Do they communicate in a way that the community would like them to? Definitely not always, they like to keep silent until they get the official ducks in a row.
Are there issues around legal/licensing? Heck yes. and that's going to make for an interesting 2012, I suggest you become part of the JCP process so you can have your say.
So there's definitely stuff to work on, but they are listening and the community has worked with them on many occasions in the past year to get some really cool things done. Let's not forget they're mainly individual engineers like you and I trying to do the very best they can for the platform.
Just read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow - quite a number of parallels with the modern day US, looks like you folks in the land of the free might have some work to do to keep it that way.....
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To be blunt, the Silicon roundabout area has exploded in the last 5 years without government 'help'. RedMonk now estimate over 3000 tech related start-ups in the area (and the area is geographically small). Government wants to help? They should pretty much stay out of the way, excepting helping create more space for this environment to flourish in. The local council recently rejected a bid to renovate a derelict building into a tech start-up campus and community space with major ties to the local community (high school kids from the more deprived side of the area). It would've been nice if the government had supported that sort of initiative.
I appreciate the sentiment, I think those who know me and have seen my various public statements over the last few years would agree I haven't started drinking from the kool-aid yet :-), but it's important to be challenged on that.
This always saddens me slightly, the Java platform/ecosystem has delivered and continues to deliver amazing things for developers, at the moment it's going throuhg a clear resurgence, so 'going nowhere fast' is I think somewhat incorrect. Like I said Oracle's done some good things and some not so good things, but they _are_ moving that platform forward and that's awesome for everyone involved in Java. Are there other cool technology stacks outside of Java? Hell yes, I love using other languages - Horses for courses and all that.
Meh - guess I still have a lot to learn about /. formatting, the preview certainly lies in Chrome Dev.
FYI - I'm the London JUG co-leader, we have a seat on the Java Standards Body (aka the JCP) and I've seen first hand the Oracle and Java community challenges :-).
I think Oracle's record with the Java community is turning around in the right direction. They clearly didn't know how to the deal with the community to begin with, but I'll give em credit for trying their damnedest to get better at it! For example:
Now before the sceptics spit out their coffee:
So there's definitely stuff to work on, but they are listening and the community has worked with them on many occasions in the past year to get some really cool things done. Let's not forget they're mainly individual engineers like you and I trying to do the very best they can for the platform.
Now I'm off to put on my Kevlar ;-)
Just read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow - quite a number of parallels with the modern day US, looks like you folks in the land of the free might have some work to do to keep it that way.....