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  1. Re:It's only fully open if... on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1
    The compiler can take the good friendly Open Source, compile like normal (for the most part,) but then inject some nastiness wherever it was programmed to.

    No one is claiming the open source solves everything. It's a necessarly feature of a transparent voting system. There are many other rules, procedures, etc. necessary to make it all work correctly.

    What I recommend: Humans performing pencil & paper counting under scrutiny of video camera and representatives of competing parties. Distribute the video tapes of the counting process on the Internet, and maintain archives for at least 12 years.

    Sounds like a security nightmare to me.

    1. Are you going to prepare the ballots without computers too? That's where many problems occur.
    2. Sure we need representatives of competing parties. Still, consider that Democrats in the South are really Republicans.
    3. The fact that they hand count in other countries is irrelevant. Typically, they are voting for one thing (Member of Parliament, for example). We've analyzed ballots with 44 contests and even 76 contests. Here's one in Santa Monica CA that had 44 contests and 95 candidates: http://www.smartvoter.org/uvote4/uvote4.cgi?addr=1 719++WILSHIRE+BL&date=2002/11/05&zip=90403
    4. Consider a presidential year general election. 200,000 pollsites and an average of 500 ballots per pollsite. How many millions of counters will you need? How many millions of scrutineers of counters will you need? How many millions of cameras? How many people are needed to coordinate, train, supervise the whole process? How much will all that cost?
    5. Computers are great at counting and following rules. Your proposal (which, fortunately, has zero chance of adoption here in the U.S.) has one major flaw: you want to use people for exactly what they're really bad at doing: counting and following rules.
  2. Re:Yeah, right, like that will really happen on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 2, Informative

    Industry shills showed up to oppose the resolution that makes this report mandatory. Here are some letters of opposition: http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/ad/242-opposit ion.pdf They got no where. We have to show up and make our case.

  3. Re:Bruce Perens? What about Bruce Schneier?? on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1

    I talked with Schneier some about OVC around a year ago. I did not contact him about being on the panel because I doubt we'd be able to get him scheduled. I think he lives in Minnesota or Wisconsin -- somewhere around there. If he was really willing and able to do it, I'd try to have him included. At a bare minimum, we'll ask him to provide testimony.

  4. Re:de-centralize on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1

    This works fine where ballots are very simple and populations are not dense. Hand-counted hand-marked paper ballots are used for less than one half of one percent of the U.S. vote. However, 80 percent of the population in the U.S. lives in urban areas. Los Angeles County has to support 9 different languages. By law, we'll also have to have a system in place in every pollsite to accommodate people with various disabilities. This ballot has 44 contests and 95 candidates. Care to estimate how long it would take to count manually? http://www.smartvoter.org/uvote4/uvote4.cgi?addr=1 719++WILSHIRE+BL&date=2002/11/05&zip=90403

  5. Re:Why are machines needed at all? on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1

    How many things were you voting on?

    Now consider this ballot with 44 contests and 95 contests. Please describe how many people will be needed to hand count this and how long it will take.

    http://www.smartvoter.org/uvote4/uvote4.cgi?addr=1 719++WILSHIRE+BL&date=2002/11/05&zip=90403

  6. Re:de-centralize on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1
    They vote for one thing at a time -- for example, Member of Parliament. We have many on the ballot. We investigated one in Santa Monica CA that had 44 contests and 95 candidates. Another in NM had 76 contests.

    See the difference?

  7. Re:Open Voting Consortium website on CA Sec. of State Panel on Open Source Elections · · Score: 1
    By-the-way - full disclosure time - I'm on the Board of Directors of the OVC.
    but you missed the last board meeting.

    I know, you were in Sweden and all. See you soon. Thanks.