Right, agreed, but Open Source will encourage developers to get involved. If a critical mass of them do (as in Linux Distro Critical Mass) then they can hopefully start selling people on the privacy aspects of it. Of course just as with open source a lot of people don't seem to care about privacy either. But, who knows, perhaps with the open aspects of the system you'll get some killer app that will draw in the masses that don't care about the underlying principles. I'm not saying it's a sure bet but even Linus didn't think Linux was going anywhere big when he started it and look at it now...
This is/. Anything related to computer security is news. Especially when it effectivaly targets most, if not, all the users/customers we have to help all day (and night, and weekends!).
Not every story about Microsoft is posted just because it's about Microsoft.
With all the issues they had with Viacom I would think they are going to be somewhat hesitant about this. Besides the danger of this sinking quickly into an exhibitionist paradise like chatroulette they also have to worry about people streaming live concerts/events from their phones. I was able to catch bits and pieces of Phish concerts this summer on ustream. Just wait until YouTube is "caught" streaming some big name band or comedian with a copyright ax to grind. It will be sue-Google season all over again.
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What worries me is his lack of resistance to it and his acceptance of "oh well, that's how it's going, that's what we'll do".
As others have pointed out he's not just accepting it, he is actively promoting it. All Schmidt cares about is profits for Google and if he can get the Govts of the world to help him he would love nothing more then to build the Grand Unified DB that will track and report everything we do. Governments win, advertisers win and Google makes ridiculous money from it all.
Don't be evil died when this guy took reigns at Google. Where the F are Sergey and Larry now? What do the think about the death of anonymity?
You know you could have pointed that out just as easily without the smarmy comments about RTFS.
Anyway I read it as the browser signalling the server to not track the user. As in the browser makes the request (as browsers tend to do) and the server is responsible for honoring the request and doing it's part to turn off tracking (e.g. not logging the header data sent by the browser).
So just like most useful functionality on the web it would be a combination of browser and server. That said my feeling is that this would end up just like a lot of idealistic functions suggested over the years (like NSFW tags) and wouldn't fly.
OK, poor choice of words. I completely agree that PJ is impartial and focuses more on facts then anything else. But not everyone sees it that way and given the exact opposite nature of Florian's stance on the issue I was trying to present Groklaw as an opposing opinion. At this point I'm open to either side's opinion on the matter until we see the case move along but I agree it is difficult to take Florian seriously when he seems to be simply using this news to further promote his blog...
Here is some facts and opinion from Groklaw, at least on the TurboHercules part.
Groklaw Digging a Little Deeper into TurboHercules/IBM - OpenMainframe.org and Microsoft
Despite the fact that PJ probably has a few blinders at work when opining on IBM I believe this to be relevant considering Florian's seemingly diametrically opposed (to PJ's that is) opinions on IBM...
Facebook has had a (generally difficult) way of deactivating your account for years (all along?). But their TOS say that they reserve the right to keep your data forever. TFA is implying that this may have changed and that deleting your account now may in fact remove your data from their servers. Personally I'm not holding my breath.
While I agree that TFA seems a bit speculative I don't think the OP is trolling. I think enough of us on/. have taken an interest in FB's over reaching grab on people's personal data that even speculation on it changing (esp. for the good) is newsworthy. (IMHO of course...)
I hear by propose that Finland change the name of the Ministry of Justice to the Ministry of Common Sense and Applied Intelligence!
Imagine that, a reasonable and informed change to a law to sync with their ever changing technological landscape. I am astounded! One only hopes others will learn from this event.
People thought communicators were way to far out too when TOS came out. Now we take them for granted.
Now I don't think there are going to be any practical experiments around this theory anytime soon but "this shit" has to start somewhere. It's been said many times before on/. but I'll go ahead and repeat it; a lot of scientists are heavily inspired by science fiction and, especially when they are young, love to see if their favorite tech from their favorite shows are feasible.
This is reminiscent of the "negative billing" scams, whee if you don't opt out, you're automatically going to be subscribed for $EXTRA_CRAP_SERVICE_I_DONT_WANT at $X_MORE_PER_MONTH.
I know it was a typo but all could think when I read that is of some marketdroid somewhere telling his boss, "And if they don't opt out then whee!!!, we get their data. Beautiful isn't it?".
That aside, your absolutely right. The only way I could see Yahoo (or FB, Google, MS, anyone really) doing this right is to make the feature available and then make it so people have to explicitly opt in.
There is absolutely NO reason why Cops shouldn't be under the same scrutiny as the general public
Absolutely, I would go so far as to say there are several reasons why they should expect *more* scrutiny then the general public. Every one of the cases cited in TFA are good reasons IMO.
this is like playing your stereo in front of the open window and then bitching that other people can hear the music from outside without your permission.
Don't go getting off topic and bringing the RIAA into us.
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Right, agreed, but Open Source will encourage developers to get involved. If a critical mass of them do (as in Linux Distro Critical Mass)
then they can hopefully start selling people on the privacy aspects of it. Of course just as with open source a lot of people don't seem
to care about privacy either. But, who knows, perhaps with the open aspects of the system you'll get some killer app that will draw in
the masses that don't care about the underlying principles. I'm not saying it's a sure bet but even Linus didn't think Linux was going
anywhere big when he started it and look at it now...
Are there a load of open source social networks? I wasn't aware of any (not that I've looked past the articles on /.)
See: here.
This is /. Anything related to computer security is news. Especially when it effectivaly targets most, if not, all the users/customers we have to help all day (and night, and weekends!).
Not every story about Microsoft is posted just because it's about Microsoft.
With all the issues they had with Viacom I would think they are going to be somewhat hesitant about this. Besides the danger of this sinking quickly into an exhibitionist paradise like chatroulette they also have to worry about people streaming live concerts/events from their phones. I was able to catch bits and pieces of Phish concerts this summer on ustream. Just wait until YouTube is "caught" streaming some big name band or comedian with a copyright ax to grind. It will be sue-Google season all over again.
Nothing is confirmed until we hear from Netcraft.
It doesn't have the BSD userland...
But that's what he wants!
What worries me is his lack of resistance to it and his acceptance of "oh well, that's how it's going, that's what we'll do".
As others have pointed out he's not just accepting it, he is actively promoting it. All Schmidt cares about is profits for Google and if he
can get the Govts of the world to help him he would love nothing more then to build the Grand Unified DB that will track and report everything
we do. Governments win, advertisers win and Google makes ridiculous money from it all.
Don't be evil died when this guy took reigns at Google. Where the F are Sergey and Larry now? What do the think about the death of anonymity?
You know you could have pointed that out just as easily without the smarmy comments about RTFS.
Anyway I read it as the browser signalling the server to not track the user. As in the
browser makes the request (as browsers tend to do) and the server is responsible for honoring
the request and doing it's part to turn off tracking (e.g. not logging the header data sent by
the browser).
So just like most useful functionality on the web it would be a combination of browser and
server. That said my feeling is that this would end up just like a lot of idealistic functions
suggested over the years (like NSFW tags) and wouldn't fly.
Yes but there are bars for that.
OK, poor choice of words. I completely agree that PJ is impartial and focuses more on facts then anything else. But not everyone sees it that way and given the exact opposite nature of Florian's stance on the issue I was trying to present Groklaw as an opposing opinion. At this point I'm open to either side's opinion on the matter until we see the case move along but I agree it is difficult to take Florian seriously when he seems to be simply using this news to further promote his blog...
Here is some facts and opinion from Groklaw, at least on the TurboHercules part.
Groklaw
Digging a Little Deeper into TurboHercules/IBM - OpenMainframe.org and Microsoft
Despite the fact that PJ probably has a few blinders at work when opining on IBM I believe this to be relevant considering
Florian's seemingly diametrically opposed (to PJ's that is) opinions on IBM...
Facebook has had a (generally difficult) way of deactivating your account for years (all along?). But their TOS say that they reserve the right to keep your data forever. TFA is implying that this may have changed and that deleting your account now may in fact remove your data from their servers. Personally I'm not holding my breath.
While I agree that TFA seems a bit speculative I don't think the OP is trolling. I think enough of us on /. have taken an interest in FB's over reaching grab on people's personal data that even speculation on it changing (esp. for the good) is newsworthy. (IMHO of course...)
Alien, in this context, = outside of our solar system. As in too far for you to take a picture.
I hear by propose that Finland change the name of the Ministry of Justice to the Ministry of Common Sense and Applied Intelligence!
Imagine that, a reasonable and informed change to a law to sync with their ever changing technological landscape. I am astounded! One
only hopes others will learn from this event.
People thought communicators were way to far out too when TOS came out. Now we take
them for granted.
Now I don't think there are going to be any practical experiments around this theory /. but I'll go ahead and repeat it; a lot of scientists are heavily inspired by
anytime soon but "this shit" has to start somewhere. It's been said many times before
on
science fiction and, especially when they are young, love to see if their favorite
tech from their favorite shows are feasible.
This is reminiscent of the "negative billing" scams, whee if you don't opt out, you're automatically going to be subscribed for $EXTRA_CRAP_SERVICE_I_DONT_WANT at $X_MORE_PER_MONTH.
I know it was a typo but all could think when I read that is of some marketdroid somewhere telling his boss, "And if they don't opt out then whee!!!, we get their data.
Beautiful isn't it?".
That aside, your absolutely right. The only way I could see Yahoo (or FB, Google, MS, anyone really) doing this right is to make the feature available and then make it
so people have to explicitly opt in.
There is absolutely NO reason why Cops shouldn't be under the same scrutiny as the general public
Absolutely, I would go so far as to say there are several reasons why they should expect *more* scrutiny then
the general public. Every one of the cases cited in TFA are good reasons IMO.
[citation needed]
So this is one of those "Hey, that's the combination on my luggage" things?
Unashamed fan boy is more like it.
Excellent, all comers welcome, I love seeing all the choice and freedom we get by choosing Linux.
While not my personal preference I applaud the Fedora developers for all their hard work on behalf
of the community.
I just went and followed them both. CasablancaPA is up over 850 followers at the moment.
Not sure about the blocking you mentioned, I was able to follow them both (after turning of NoScript for their pages that is).
this is like playing your stereo in front of the open window and then bitching that other people can hear the music from outside without your permission.
Don't go getting off topic and bringing the RIAA into us.
One assumes that Mrs. Coward has seen enough of your posts over the years. I'd be surprised if she
even uses the internet anymore.
Sounds like it's working then.