I think that things work best if we either have additional factors other than score, and add to moderation points; isn't moderation intended to help sort the information to some extent?
Increasing moderator points, and possibly limiting moderation to only one story (?) sound like great ideas. Hiding previous moderation is bad, though, as you cannot tell if something is being over-moderated-- if you give points to only the best (and worst) comments, then the middle range gets lost.
I really would like to see some additional ways of breaking down the data... maybe things like:
interesting link
enlightened opinion
"agreement" (no real content of its own)
humor
...
The problem i have with the current system is the recommendations in posting-- "try to reply to other people['s] comments instead of starting new threads." Reading the threads, and following them is really a pain. I would love to see a more innovative way to present the information...
I was happy to see moderation in its first incarnation; too many comments on a topic were popping up to be able to find valuable information. My personal limit is about 40 comments before everything becomes a blur... unless it is something that I am explicitly interested in.
Personally, I like real information... to be able to get to the heart of a topic quickly enough; humor is fun, and animates the discussion... but sometimes takes too much away from the real content. Other such things (ie flamebait) should also be identified, and filtered at will...
It is fairly easy to filter stories, but comments cannot be filtered in the same manner. The problem is that the preferences become too complex, and that you have to check your options frequently to discover new features.
Personally, I think that the system works, as long as at a threshold of 1, you get a "full" discussion, at 2, you get only the "good" comments, and at 3 you get an executive summary. But the current moderation system breaks down when valuable information is nested... too much of the "good stuff" can be three levels down or so-too hard to scan, and too easily missed with a high threshold. But, if it is that deep, it is somehow "off topic..."
Rob-If you really want to improve the system, you might look at less linear ways of presenting the data. The ideas of having different scoring mechanisms is a start (type of comment, type of information, quality...). I don't have any fantastic thoughts on how to do it right now, but whenever there are 400 comments on a subject, filtering alone isn't going to do enough to control the data... no matter how much moderation is done.
Ultimately, if/. grows too much more, there just has to be something more...
Well, NetCat (from L0pht) is totally free (totally insecure, too... but free). I can't find it on their web site any more, but it was ported to NT by Weld Pond.
I used to have a cgi script to start a netcat session from IIS, with some minor security provisions. Not really secure, but it wasn't always listening
But, if you start it through IIS, your rights are whatever the IIS (guest?) account is. You can start it as a service, but that is a gaping hole without a good wrapper.
It's an IPO!!! There is risk associated with an IPO. It is dangerous for inexperienced investors who do not understand the risks to invest money, especially if it is not disposable income! Furthermore, anyone that is investing must realize that the stock may be re-priced before issuance, which would mean that you would have to pay more than $15 per share... better have enough to cover the stock being issued at about $20 per share!
I think that people are unfortunately looking at The Letter as being a stock option that one would get if they actually worked directly for the company. If that were the case... it would be a different story, and anyone that got The Letter would have a right to purchase stock.
Instead, what RedHat did was give people priority who have contributed to the OS movement. A nice gesture, but E*Trade should really stick to their guns to protect themselves in the matter.
Don't get me wrong... it's crap, but... isn't that what they are working with, and not Win98?
Built-in pocket applications *work*, and provide the minimum functionality.
It seems like the right platform is closer to a souped-up WinCE than Linux, Palm OS, or Linux on a Palm. I still haven't seen a "good" browser for the Palm Pilot!
Anyway, hate to burst a bubble, but Linux still have a LONG way to go to point-and-drool interface!
Good points, but you have to remember that it is an issue of attention span. When you read a magazine, you are at a more leisurely pace, and the ads "count" more. When you watch a sitcom, 30 seconds is pushing it! (If you watch a soap opera, 10 minutes and you don't blink!)
The issue is making the exposure count-- look at AdFu! A timed delay where you are intent on what is happening, and the only thing you see is a banner ad! Smart!
Somebody has to create a sufficiently non-obtrusive way to gain advertisement revenue with the "new media." If it is TOO obtrusive, people will find a way to block it.
While RMS' suggestions are linked to helping free software, they do also provide opportunities for other commercial software vendors to not be blocked by the monopoly that MS has created.
The "penalty" should reduce their monopolistic powers, without crippling thier ability to do business (make money) in a fair way.
In this fashion, the first suggestion prevents MS from creating propietary, undocumented file formats and protocols which extend their monopoly from the desktop OS to the office suite to the e-mail client to the server... and beyond. Breaking up MS into Baby Bills could have the same net effect, but places a greater burden on MS to remain competitive than appropriate.
Item two is tricky; it is required for the first part to work. Removing software patents altoghether would be an improvement, but there are some things that are truly worth a patent. I personally don't understand how effective this solution really could be, though.
The third comment... ok it is a blatant push for open source hardware. I think this is something better suited for the next hardware manufacturer's antitrust trial.
In truth, i would like the government to make a minimal ruling to solve the issue, and not have them regulating software any further. However, something has to be done to level things out a little bit.
So, has anyone heard anything about the NetWinder lately? It really seems (from the marketing anyway) that this is the dream product. Good size, good options, small processor, low power consumption... And, in quantities, it might even make the $500 price point...
So far, these products haven't really taken off (at least in what i have seen). However, the concept of a "storage area network" or a "zero maintenance" system has an appeal for small offices, home offices, and people that just want turnkey solutions.
Right now, NT sucks for turnkey work: stability, remote configurability, price, resource requirements, etc. all fail the model.
Linux, on the other hand, is dominating these products. I haven't seen one that is Great yet, but things like the Whistle Interjet (?) are a good concept.
MS knows where they need to expand the market. Linux hasn't really gone too far with the handheld market (yet), or with the "enterprise" market (yet).
I am just curious how they can make money in it; the business model seems off. The MS name doesn't add any value to the product.
So, is there any hope of class-action against Microsoft for Negligence... if not stupidity? If they want to fine the author... the Government should also fine the inspiration. (Irony-- MS Still had to shut down their own e-mail servers...)
While it seems like a bit of a stretch, this is a legitamate way for a company to operate. They have no problem with you using whatever kind of system you want; they will only support the "common" systems, though.
If you are running Linux (or MacOS, or DOS 2.0), I hope that you would be savvy enough to figure out your own IP information. If not...
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Increasing moderator points, and possibly limiting moderation to only one story (?) sound like great ideas. Hiding previous moderation is bad, though, as you cannot tell if something is being over-moderated-- if you give points to only the best (and worst) comments, then the middle range gets lost.
I really would like to see some additional ways of breaking down the data... maybe things like:
interesting link
enlightened opinion
"agreement" (no real content of its own)
humor
...
The problem i have with the current system is the recommendations in posting-- "try to reply to other people['s] comments instead of starting new threads." Reading the threads, and following them is really a pain. I would love to see a more innovative way to present the information...
enough ranting...
Personally, I like real information... to be able to get to the heart of a topic quickly enough; humor is fun, and animates the discussion... but sometimes takes too much away from the real content. Other such things (ie flamebait) should also be identified, and filtered at will...
It is fairly easy to filter stories, but comments cannot be filtered in the same manner. The problem is that the preferences become too complex, and that you have to check your options frequently to discover new features.
Personally, I think that the system works, as long as at a threshold of 1, you get a "full" discussion, at 2, you get only the "good" comments, and at 3 you get an executive summary. But the current moderation system breaks down when valuable information is nested... too much of the "good stuff" can be three levels down or so-too hard to scan, and too easily missed with a high threshold. But, if it is that deep, it is somehow "off topic..."
Rob-If you really want to improve the system, you might look at less linear ways of presenting the data. The ideas of having different scoring mechanisms is a start (type of comment, type of information, quality...). I don't have any fantastic thoughts on how to do it right now, but whenever there are 400 comments on a subject, filtering alone isn't going to do enough to control the data... no matter how much moderation is done.
Ultimately, if
Here's the link to the NetCat page
Well, NetCat (from L0pht) is totally free (totally insecure, too... but free). I can't find it on their web site any more, but it was ported to NT by Weld Pond.
I used to have a cgi script to start a netcat session from IIS, with some minor security provisions. Not really secure, but it wasn't always listening
But, if you start it through IIS, your rights are whatever the IIS (guest?) account is. You can start it as a service, but that is a gaping hole without a good wrapper.
It's an IPO!!! There is risk associated with an IPO. It is dangerous for inexperienced investors who do not understand the risks to invest money, especially if it is not disposable income! Furthermore, anyone that is investing must realize that the stock may be re-priced before issuance, which would mean that you would have to pay more than $15 per share... better have enough to cover the stock being issued at about $20 per share!
I think that people are unfortunately looking at The Letter as being a stock option that one would get if they actually worked directly for the company. If that were the case... it would be a different story, and anyone that got The Letter would have a right to purchase stock.
Instead, what RedHat did was give people priority who have contributed to the OS movement. A nice gesture, but E*Trade should really stick to their guns to protect themselves in the matter.
Time will tell...
Don't get me wrong... it's crap, but... isn't that what they are working with, and not Win98?
Built-in pocket applications *work*, and provide the minimum functionality.
It seems like the right platform is closer to a souped-up WinCE than Linux, Palm OS, or Linux on a Palm. I still haven't seen a "good" browser for the Palm Pilot!
Anyway, hate to burst a bubble, but Linux still have a LONG way to go to point-and-drool interface!
Good points, but you have to remember that it is an issue of attention span. When you read a magazine, you are at a more leisurely pace, and the ads "count" more. When you watch a sitcom, 30 seconds is pushing it! (If you watch a soap opera, 10 minutes and you don't blink!)
The issue is making the exposure count-- look at AdFu! A timed delay where you are intent on what is happening, and the only thing you see is a banner ad! Smart!
Somebody has to create a sufficiently non-obtrusive way to gain advertisement revenue with the "new media." If it is TOO obtrusive, people will find a way to block it.
Isn't there a way to load a mini disc faster?
I wonder if Sony will ever make the perfect MP3 player... they are so close already with the Mini Disc...
Too bad they are a mess of a company...
While RMS' suggestions are linked to helping free software, they do also provide opportunities for other commercial software vendors to not be blocked by the monopoly that MS has created.
The "penalty" should reduce their monopolistic powers, without crippling thier ability to do business (make money) in a fair way.
In this fashion, the first suggestion prevents MS from creating propietary, undocumented file formats and protocols which extend their monopoly from the desktop OS to the office suite to the e-mail client to the server... and beyond. Breaking up MS into Baby Bills could have the same net effect, but places a greater burden on MS to remain competitive than appropriate.
Item two is tricky; it is required for the first part to work. Removing software patents altoghether would be an improvement, but there are some things that are truly worth a patent. I personally don't understand how effective this solution really could be, though.
The third comment... ok it is a blatant push for open source hardware. I think this is something better suited for the next hardware manufacturer's antitrust trial.
In truth, i would like the government to make a minimal ruling to solve the issue, and not have them regulating software any further. However, something has to be done to level things out a little bit.
prk
So, has anyone heard anything about the NetWinder lately? It really seems (from the marketing anyway) that this is the dream product. Good size, good options, small processor, low power consumption... And, in quantities, it might even make the $500 price point...
So far, these products haven't really taken off (at least in what i have seen). However, the concept of a "storage area network" or a "zero maintenance" system has an appeal for small offices, home offices, and people that just want turnkey solutions.
Right now, NT sucks for turnkey work: stability, remote configurability, price, resource requirements, etc. all fail the model.
Linux, on the other hand, is dominating these products. I haven't seen one that is Great yet, but things like the Whistle Interjet (?) are a good concept.
MS knows where they need to expand the market. Linux hasn't really gone too far with the handheld market (yet), or with the "enterprise" market (yet).
I am just curious how they can make money in it; the business model seems off. The MS name doesn't add any value to the product.
So, is there any hope of class-action against Microsoft for Negligence... if not stupidity? If they want to fine the author... the Government should also fine the inspiration. (Irony-- MS Still had to shut down their own e-mail servers...)
While it seems like a bit of a stretch, this is a legitamate way for a company to operate. They have no problem with you using whatever kind of system you want; they will only support the "common" systems, though.
If you are running Linux (or MacOS, or DOS 2.0), I hope that you would be savvy enough to figure out your own IP information. If not...
So will the change bring us the RM (SCSI Support) version a little faster?
I just wish I had the money to put into Corel when I saw the first /. post on the subject!
Corel is recovering, and as a stockholder, I personally see this as their best opportunity to mass-produce the netwinder.
...i just wish they kept the Corel name on it. NCC isn't a "good" name. (Corel is a familiar name, just in a different context...)
my $0.02
I am in a similar situation, and I tend to agree that it has its place.
From a business efficiency standpoint, you don't want to have to do REAL work... simply for a "quicky" program.
As I get better with my Java and C++, sure... I will use them more. However, how good should someone who is not a programmer be at these things...?
did i miss something? Thought current release was still 1.0...
I wonder what the margin of error is.
Doesn't look like anyone is really changing their servers, though. Too short of an interval to really be scientific, I am thinking...
just the software, and marketing strategy. The hardware is the same on all of them, as i understand it.
(cleaner packaging... Snap concept)
When is the Rack Mount version due out?
It really isn't viable (for me, anyway) until they have SCSI!
(Does anyone know if the SCSI support is via the daughter card, or on the main board?)