Apparently I hit a nerve somewhere. I mistakenly(?) used law when it could have been rule, or special circumstance. It all falls in the same boat here. There should be no reason to treat someone more favorably for any reason other than the accomplishment they achieved.
Yeah! A person became President. Period.
Not a fat person, not a black person, not a square headed person. A person. Elevating that person to a pedestal based on race is racism against another race, just as demeaning him (as a black man) for doing something bad is racism against his race. There's no difference.
If it inspires people of the same race, we have a long way to truly becoming a non-racist community. Think of it like a balancing scale. If you elevate one side, you have to lower the other (or the rest.)
If you show me a group that's under-performing on educational achievement, then I want to address it. All groups. Any groups. And if there's enough funding for it, the size of groups that we pay attention to will get smaller and smaller and smaller until there's only one person in the group, and we've got the funding to do what we can to improve the educational achievements of that one child.
You just stated the same thing above, and in stating it, you've proven that you focus your attention on the majority based on a trait of that group that has no relevance to the problem. Now, by focusing on a specific group of kids having educational problems, you alienate (discriminate) against the other groups.
How do you ADDRESS the problems of those groups?
You don't. You treat each person individually irregardless of color, weight or hair length.
I'm eagerly waiting for your response to my other post.
I still don't understand why you need to identify it as all the "fat kids are having poor math performance," so let's make a law giving fat kids the benefit. You should give all kids with poor math performance. It doesn't matter if they are fat, skinny, white, black, poor, rich, boy, girl, fruit or vegetable. You are categorizing the person based on a trait rather than a skill or skill deficiency. You are focusing your attention on an item that has literally no bearing on the item being questioned and doing a similar form of minority exclusion. If you focus your study on fat kids that are poor at math, you alienate all the skinny kids that are poor at math, and now all the skinny kids are mad at the fat kids for getting more attention.
I think we just went in one big circle... Are we (society) racist because we celebrate a black President? If so, then you agree with me and we are back at my original post.
It's called a counter example. I suggest you stop placing meaning where it doesn't belong. There are definitely neighborhoods that are very dangerous for people of different race. I could probably drudge up about 5-10 videos of places in New York and LA where gangs of minorities feel that they need to retaliate to gain power. I could also find videos of "white trash" hicks that seek to blame blacks for one of many things.
It happens on both sides. I just happen to be talking about it. (According to the mods, it's a taboo subject.)
Not everyone in the history of our founding was a slave owner. I think you're throwing a straw man in the ring here. I also never stated that we celebrate it simply because he's black. I stated that he taught equal treatment. I never said we celebrate his day based on race. You did when you brought it into the conversation. MLK day is a celebration of civil liberties. It happens to be for a particular race, but I don't see it as a celebration of black civil rights. I see it as a celebration of minority civil rights. This includes Black, Latin, Korean, etc. Hopefully you see it as the same and not a special holiday for ONLY black minorities.
And no, I don't think it's some kind of "obvious fear of black majority". You are placing those words. I'm simply asking the questions.
200 years is only 3-4 (maybe 5) generations of people. With every generation that dies, so does the racist teachings they were told. With every generation of kid growing up, they learn that maybe everything their parents told them might not be totally true. We are talking about grandparents today who witnessed the ugliest race wars in recent history. They have grudges for certain events and hate... yes, hate... for the other race because of some event. How can people expect then to forget that event and move on? This is on both sides of the fence. These grandparents have warned their kids, scaring them into being untrusting, and some of that has gone to their kids... but not all of it.
200 years is really not THAT long. If we keep propagating the hatred through special treatment, we only prolong the hate.
Sure, I can agree with you on that. I grew up in a total (100%) white community and now there are more black families than I care to count living there. (I don't want, nor need to count... don't read into that statement.)
My issue with this is that is the population of racists were low enough to change the election then it shouldn't be "rubbed in the face" of those that are racist. It's like punishing a kid. If you take candy away from one of your kids and give it to the other, then you turn around and mock the other kid... he's only going to retaliate. If we want full equality in America, we have to stop placing people on pedestals based on race.
Congrats, he won the Presidency. Now we get back to work. What's so hard about that?
Isn't that what this is about though? People ARE believing differently about [Barack] based on race. Because he's black, he's changed everything... how is that exactly?
So then, why did he say it? There's a definite underlying meaning to his post. Singling out a person based on race for an accomplishment held by 43 people before him is hardly being innocent.
No, as a matter of fact, I don't. However... MLK Jr. was for equal treatment, not special treatment. Celebrating the holiday is possibly against his teachings. What worries me about the holiday though is what would happen if the population of Black America becomes the majority. It's slowly moving that way. Just a quick question for you: Would it become a racist holiday if whites became the minority? When does it stop being a celebration of the fight for equality and turn into a celebration of the beginning of black supremacy? Do you think they deserve their time on top as some previous notable figures do? (...and yes, I realize the moderators are having a field day with my posts. Are they afraid to talk openly about this stuff? I'm being completely honest here. When does celebrating a figure based on race become taboo? When they are the majority?)
So you're telling me that Racism is blind as long as the race that is being highlighted makes less money? Or do you still blame the poor education system on a cranky white guy who hates blacks and not the neighborhood full of racist blacks who scare out white teachers by threatening their life and claiming that they are trying to take over the neighborhood? Are you telling me that if an accomplished white doctor decided to live in a predominately black neighborhood and work at the hospital there, that he'd feel safe walking home at night?
I think you have a skewed view on what racism is. It has no gray areas. It doesn't only apply to the majority of a country. It applies to everyone. Just because black America has pushed out everything in the name of "keeping their culture" (or whatever other excuses are used) doesn't make it right because they are the minority.
There should be no continuation of race based programs, organizations, or policies. In order to remove racism, you have to treat everyone the same and stop promoting based on race alone. Racism will not vanish overnight, but it will vanish over time.
I'm tired of helping my fellow countrymen. I've been helping them for about 15 years now by paying taxes that get "returned" to someone else who had kids or wrote off their car as a business expense. I've been paying taxes to pay for some kids schooling that they aren't even really getting anymore because no kid can fail. I've been paying taxes to help support social security that I might not even see. I've been paying taxes to support a failing medicare/medicaid program that will somehow be magically replaced with an even more comprehensive and magically cheaper system...
When can I STOP "helping" my fellow countrymen from being so lazy and get them to work for themselves?
In general, Canada's provincial governments have much more power than the federal government.
Which is precisely why we are in the world of hurt we are in now. So many people rallying for Govt. Health Care don't see this. They think, "Other countries can do it... so can we" without looking at the underlying problem with how our government has evolved into a centrist organization and "localized view" politics. (It works for me and my family, it should work for you. Here is a family mold you must fit in and here is the mold your physique must fit in otherwise you are a terrorist.)
There is a huge difference between government run by people who believe government is evil, and government run by people who believe it can do good.
I've said it before, the government can only do good when there is a short term project with an end date. No good has come from any program with long term investment. Education, War, Social Security, IRS... I could go on. These organizations get used to the constant shifts in power, find loopholes to abuse it, and cry foul when they need more funding. Nobody has accountability because they blame it on the previous party. When they leave power, they are forgiven for their oversights and all is well for them personally. These agencies should be forced to compete with businesses and be optional. They should be run by businessmen with vested interest in being successful and they should be punished for doing the illegal and face jail time. With government agencies today, you rely on honesty and people doing the right thing. It just doesn't happen.
Or pay less taxes for more freedom and the ability to defend your home/community without being penalized for shooting a trespasser or a bank robber... it's your choice.
You could even take some of that tax money you get back and let the local government use it to maintain some of those bridges you use on a daily basis. Besides, who do you think has a better finger on the state of these bridges? The State and local authority or someone 200-3000 miles away? Who do you think would be better suited to respond to an Earthquake? Someone in California, home of the great fault line and schools that study it, or someone in Chicago who's felt a few shakes in his life? Localized disaster recovery would be better suited fro whatever emergencies arise for the area in just about every case.
Also, look how well the Dept. of Education has done. I mean, bureaucrats running education have done wonders for our children's education. I hear they are giving passing grades to all the children so they feel good about themselves.
So that stuff can be added. It's not like it's impossible. I'm not talking about adding things to the standard. I'm talking about using the constructs of the language to do precisely the same thing. Hell, there's already the Boost.Lambda tools to do much of what you're talking about concerning lambda functionality.
And I still don't understand why you'd need run time compilation except for cross platform (ie: x86 vs PPC vs SPARC... even then, I'm contradicted to find a good reason) applications where the binary files are incompatible. It's always sounded like a bandage to me anyway. What's so messy about calling a function on data? You don't need to recompile a micro app to do that. Just form your data properly. Give it meta-data that describes what to do with it if you have to.
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Apparently I hit a nerve somewhere. I mistakenly(?) used law when it could have been rule, or special circumstance. It all falls in the same boat here. There should be no reason to treat someone more favorably for any reason other than the accomplishment they achieved.
Yeah! A person became President. Period.
Not a fat person, not a black person, not a square headed person. A person. Elevating that person to a pedestal based on race is racism against another race, just as demeaning him (as a black man) for doing something bad is racism against his race. There's no difference.
If it inspires people of the same race, we have a long way to truly becoming a non-racist community. Think of it like a balancing scale. If you elevate one side, you have to lower the other (or the rest.)
If you show me a group that's under-performing on educational achievement, then I want to address it. All groups. Any groups. And if there's enough funding for it, the size of groups that we pay attention to will get smaller and smaller and smaller until there's only one person in the group, and we've got the funding to do what we can to improve the educational achievements of that one child.
You just stated the same thing above, and in stating it, you've proven that you focus your attention on the majority based on a trait of that group that has no relevance to the problem. Now, by focusing on a specific group of kids having educational problems, you alienate (discriminate) against the other groups.
How do you ADDRESS the problems of those groups?
You don't. You treat each person individually irregardless of color, weight or hair length.
I'm eagerly waiting for your response to my other post.
I still don't understand why you need to identify it as all the "fat kids are having poor math performance," so let's make a law giving fat kids the benefit. You should give all kids with poor math performance. It doesn't matter if they are fat, skinny, white, black, poor, rich, boy, girl, fruit or vegetable. You are categorizing the person based on a trait rather than a skill or skill deficiency. You are focusing your attention on an item that has literally no bearing on the item being questioned and doing a similar form of minority exclusion. If you focus your study on fat kids that are poor at math, you alienate all the skinny kids that are poor at math, and now all the skinny kids are mad at the fat kids for getting more attention.
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I think we just went in one big circle... Are we (society) racist because we celebrate a black President? If so, then you agree with me and we are back at my original post.
While I admit that their are racist people in society, I cannot agree that we are a racist society.
It's called a counter example. I suggest you stop placing meaning where it doesn't belong. There are definitely neighborhoods that are very dangerous for people of different race. I could probably drudge up about 5-10 videos of places in New York and LA where gangs of minorities feel that they need to retaliate to gain power. I could also find videos of "white trash" hicks that seek to blame blacks for one of many things.
It happens on both sides. I just happen to be talking about it. (According to the mods, it's a taboo subject.)
Not everyone in the history of our founding was a slave owner. I think you're throwing a straw man in the ring here. I also never stated that we celebrate it simply because he's black. I stated that he taught equal treatment. I never said we celebrate his day based on race. You did when you brought it into the conversation. MLK day is a celebration of civil liberties. It happens to be for a particular race, but I don't see it as a celebration of black civil rights. I see it as a celebration of minority civil rights. This includes Black, Latin, Korean, etc. Hopefully you see it as the same and not a special holiday for ONLY black minorities.
And no, I don't think it's some kind of "obvious fear of black majority". You are placing those words. I'm simply asking the questions.
200 years is only 3-4 (maybe 5) generations of people. With every generation that dies, so does the racist teachings they were told. With every generation of kid growing up, they learn that maybe everything their parents told them might not be totally true. We are talking about grandparents today who witnessed the ugliest race wars in recent history. They have grudges for certain events and hate... yes, hate... for the other race because of some event. How can people expect then to forget that event and move on? This is on both sides of the fence. These grandparents have warned their kids, scaring them into being untrusting, and some of that has gone to their kids... but not all of it.
200 years is really not THAT long. If we keep propagating the hatred through special treatment, we only prolong the hate.
Sure, I can agree with you on that. I grew up in a total (100%) white community and now there are more black families than I care to count living there. (I don't want, nor need to count... don't read into that statement.)
My issue with this is that is the population of racists were low enough to change the election then it shouldn't be "rubbed in the face" of those that are racist. It's like punishing a kid. If you take candy away from one of your kids and give it to the other, then you turn around and mock the other kid... he's only going to retaliate. If we want full equality in America, we have to stop placing people on pedestals based on race.
Congrats, he won the Presidency. Now we get back to work. What's so hard about that?
Isn't that what this is about though? People ARE believing differently about [Barack] based on race. Because he's black, he's changed everything... how is that exactly?
So then, why did he say it? There's a definite underlying meaning to his post. Singling out a person based on race for an accomplishment held by 43 people before him is hardly being innocent.
No, as a matter of fact, I don't. However... MLK Jr. was for equal treatment, not special treatment. Celebrating the holiday is possibly against his teachings. What worries me about the holiday though is what would happen if the population of Black America becomes the majority. It's slowly moving that way. Just a quick question for you: Would it become a racist holiday if whites became the minority? When does it stop being a celebration of the fight for equality and turn into a celebration of the beginning of black supremacy? Do you think they deserve their time on top as some previous notable figures do? (...and yes, I realize the moderators are having a field day with my posts. Are they afraid to talk openly about this stuff? I'm being completely honest here. When does celebrating a figure based on race become taboo? When they are the majority?)
So you're telling me that Racism is blind as long as the race that is being highlighted makes less money? Or do you still blame the poor education system on a cranky white guy who hates blacks and not the neighborhood full of racist blacks who scare out white teachers by threatening their life and claiming that they are trying to take over the neighborhood? Are you telling me that if an accomplished white doctor decided to live in a predominately black neighborhood and work at the hospital there, that he'd feel safe walking home at night?
I think you have a skewed view on what racism is. It has no gray areas. It doesn't only apply to the majority of a country. It applies to everyone. Just because black America has pushed out everything in the name of "keeping their culture" (or whatever other excuses are used) doesn't make it right because they are the minority.
There should be no continuation of race based programs, organizations, or policies. In order to remove racism, you have to treat everyone the same and stop promoting based on race alone. Racism will not vanish overnight, but it will vanish over time.
I never said you couldn't voluntarily trade services for food. As it is now, you are forced to trade money for services you probably don't even use.
Racist much?
I thought race didn't matter in a non-racist world. Being pro race is also Racist.
The American dream is one of Self Reliance, not of Codependency. I just want to clarify and yes... that's my dream.
I'm tired of helping my fellow countrymen. I've been helping them for about 15 years now by paying taxes that get "returned" to someone else who had kids or wrote off their car as a business expense. I've been paying taxes to pay for some kids schooling that they aren't even really getting anymore because no kid can fail. I've been paying taxes to help support social security that I might not even see. I've been paying taxes to support a failing medicare/medicaid program that will somehow be magically replaced with an even more comprehensive and magically cheaper system...
When can I STOP "helping" my fellow countrymen from being so lazy and get them to work for themselves?
How would that compare to a TRS-80... I grew up on that thing and never touched a C64.
In general, Canada's provincial governments have much more power than the federal government.
Which is precisely why we are in the world of hurt we are in now. So many people rallying for Govt. Health Care don't see this. They think, "Other countries can do it... so can we" without looking at the underlying problem with how our government has evolved into a centrist organization and "localized view" politics. (It works for me and my family, it should work for you. Here is a family mold you must fit in and here is the mold your physique must fit in otherwise you are a terrorist.)
Exactly, The Stock Market is no measure of the success of the economy. It's a measure of people's faith in the economy.
There is a huge difference between government run by people who believe government is evil, and government run by people who believe it can do good.
I've said it before, the government can only do good when there is a short term project with an end date. No good has come from any program with long term investment. Education, War, Social Security, IRS... I could go on. These organizations get used to the constant shifts in power, find loopholes to abuse it, and cry foul when they need more funding. Nobody has accountability because they blame it on the previous party. When they leave power, they are forgiven for their oversights and all is well for them personally. These agencies should be forced to compete with businesses and be optional. They should be run by businessmen with vested interest in being successful and they should be punished for doing the illegal and face jail time. With government agencies today, you rely on honesty and people doing the right thing. It just doesn't happen.
So you think replacing one system (Medicare/Medic Aid) with another (Obama's Magic Plan) will change that?
Or pay less taxes for more freedom and the ability to defend your home/community without being penalized for shooting a trespasser or a bank robber... it's your choice.
You could even take some of that tax money you get back and let the local government use it to maintain some of those bridges you use on a daily basis. Besides, who do you think has a better finger on the state of these bridges? The State and local authority or someone 200-3000 miles away? Who do you think would be better suited to respond to an Earthquake? Someone in California, home of the great fault line and schools that study it, or someone in Chicago who's felt a few shakes in his life? Localized disaster recovery would be better suited fro whatever emergencies arise for the area in just about every case.
Also, look how well the Dept. of Education has done. I mean, bureaucrats running education have done wonders for our children's education. I hear they are giving passing grades to all the children so they feel good about themselves.
So that stuff can be added. It's not like it's impossible. I'm not talking about adding things to the standard. I'm talking about using the constructs of the language to do precisely the same thing. Hell, there's already the Boost.Lambda tools to do much of what you're talking about concerning lambda functionality.
And I still don't understand why you'd need run time compilation except for cross platform (ie: x86 vs PPC vs SPARC... even then, I'm contradicted to find a good reason) applications where the binary files are incompatible. It's always sounded like a bandage to me anyway. What's so messy about calling a function on data? You don't need to recompile a micro app to do that. Just form your data properly. Give it meta-data that describes what to do with it if you have to.