Yes, but in the absence of the right building blocks (nitrogen fixed into the soil, for example), plants won't be able to synthesize all of those nutrients sufficiently, correct? This may be due to an element needed for the nutrient itself (though I think most vitamins are just C, H, and O, but I really don't know), or due to needing the correct expression of proteins in order to synthesize those vitamins. Is there a plant biologist in the room?
There is, I believe, an open question on its effects on our gut bacteria (warning, maybe slightly overambitious conclusions), which could affect nutrient absorption. This, of course, assumes enough of it is getting onto the plate, which is another question for which you can find plenty of unscientific mudslinging (on both sides, really). I guess there's some evidence that it might.
Anyway, I don't know if there's the data to say that the survivors have a specific genetic trait that allowed for their survival, or if they just got lucky due to environmental factors, so as of yet I'm not sure it could be said if the population would then take off or continue to sputter. Do you know differently?
Yeah, you're right, Monsanto is at least a couple more orders of magnitude higher on my shit list than simple patent trolls. I guess I just thought since this was slashdot it was the easiest, dirtiest descriptor at my disposal in so many words.
I think the gassing works well to prevent ripening, browning, and other oxygen reactions, but if I'm not mistaken it doesn't stop other cellular processes going on in the plant (icing probably works reasonably well for that though, in some cases for produce that can take it). Gassed fruit still isn't the anywhere near the same as same-day-picked, IMHO.
Can anyone explain why Connecticut broccoli rabe tasted so different? Was it a different cultivar? Was it simply less fresh, having been shipped from California?
All those are reasonable guesses. Even if the same cultivar and local, though, the balance of sun / heat, especially near harvesting time, will really affect a plants taste. Here in the Northeast we get less year-round sun but more summer heat, making a lot of greens more bitter around mid-late summer.
For some reason, olives gave me the hardest time with that goal (I love them now). I still can't get behind licorice (either the anise kind of the real licorice root kind), but I think I'm ok with that.
Alright, I bit. And found the patent in question. It does also claim any further modification (i.e. accidentally cross-pollinated) varieties (item 0047). Exactly how it would hold up in court I think remains to be tested, but yeah, fuck Monsanto's patent trolling (the patent is granted to Seminis seeds, which is owned by Monsanto)
Honestly I never really paid all that much attention either, until two years ago when I spent a summer in California living with a roommate who worked at the Embarcadero farmer's market (the most elitist of the farmer's markets!) and would regularly bring home just the absolute tastiest stuff (he would trade with the other merchants). I'd almost (but I'd probably be exaggerating) describe it as finding that red, juicy strawberry feeling, but in a whole range of other foods. Since then, I've decided that good food definitely makes my list of priorities to spend a little extra dough on.
Anyway, I guess we can reasonably conclude: I'm an elitist, and you're a fool:-)
Fresh broccoli, as it's written in the article, refers to harvested the same day. That's not what you're getting in most stores. You can disagree that it tastes any different (I'd think you're a fool if you did, but that's just my two cents), but I think the claim as stated stands true.
Valid points. Although one could argue about the value of having a physical library / bookshelf too, but let's not. And for me personally, I usually walk / bike, often when it's already on my way.
I'm just saying that the consumer isn't winning "insanely" low prices with ebooks vs. physical ones (as well as the other string of listed benefits that also boil down to low prices)
I guess I've never associated the independent book stores (at least the ones that I've liked, I probably just ignored others) with price gouging, but I take your other points. Some part of me likes to buy on principle to prevent one or a few players gaining so much market dominance (rather than, as you say, fixing it once there is a demonstrable problem), but at the same time it's probably also silly to think that's effectively accomplishing anything.
PS - I also just now placed an order on Amazon, though not the book store:-)
Ok, so who's the adventurous entrepreneur you think should start the business that will fail as soon as Amazon undercuts their prices, for a few months, then jacks the price back up? I think there's more validity to the remark about lack of real competition than you give credit.
Granted I haven't looked at the ebook market for several years, but that's because of my point: the prices were higher than physical books for the selections I was looking for (not even counting used books, which there is a really good selection of at a store by me). Also, for my purpose, the ebooks were a less convenient format.
To each his own, I guess, but I suspect you may be exaggerating a little.
I don't think I'd have a problem with the book stores you're describing succumbing to their obsolescence. I'd really like the book store I go to, however, to stay in business, as I do enjoy browsing the selection they offer. Just pointing out the diversity of options as far as such stores go, I'm sure you already realize the fallacy of generalizing so broadly.
"Force" is putting it strongly. I don't have an entertainment system in my car. I also don't use my phone in my car. Astonishing, I know. How on earth I keep myself entertained in cars is still a mystery to me.
And no, I'm not saying everyone's needs are the same as mine.
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Doesn't TFA link to some of that evidence?
Well, here's some more.
Yes, but in the absence of the right building blocks (nitrogen fixed into the soil, for example), plants won't be able to synthesize all of those nutrients sufficiently, correct? This may be due to an element needed for the nutrient itself (though I think most vitamins are just C, H, and O, but I really don't know), or due to needing the correct expression of proteins in order to synthesize those vitamins. Is there a plant biologist in the room?
Can you link to those cases?
There is, I believe, an open question on its effects on our gut bacteria (warning, maybe slightly overambitious conclusions), which could affect nutrient absorption. This, of course, assumes enough of it is getting onto the plate, which is another question for which you can find plenty of unscientific mudslinging (on both sides, really). I guess there's some evidence that it might.
Wouldn't it be nice if we made our administrative system work around daily life, rather than the other way around?
(Oh, and, IANAB, which if it isn't already will become plainly obvious if I keep talking any more)
Why, no, why don't you enlighten me?
Anyway, I don't know if there's the data to say that the survivors have a specific genetic trait that allowed for their survival, or if they just got lucky due to environmental factors, so as of yet I'm not sure it could be said if the population would then take off or continue to sputter. Do you know differently?
It's singular.
but when either [of the other two species] mates with N. vitripennis, almost all male larvae in the second generation die.
Not quite the picture I have in mind for rabbits.
Yeah, you're right, Monsanto is at least a couple more orders of magnitude higher on my shit list than simple patent trolls. I guess I just thought since this was slashdot it was the easiest, dirtiest descriptor at my disposal in so many words.
I think the gassing works well to prevent ripening, browning, and other oxygen reactions, but if I'm not mistaken it doesn't stop other cellular processes going on in the plant (icing probably works reasonably well for that though, in some cases for produce that can take it). Gassed fruit still isn't the anywhere near the same as same-day-picked, IMHO.
Can anyone explain why Connecticut broccoli rabe tasted so different? Was it a different cultivar? Was it simply less fresh, having been shipped from California?
All those are reasonable guesses. Even if the same cultivar and local, though, the balance of sun / heat, especially near harvesting time, will really affect a plants taste. Here in the Northeast we get less year-round sun but more summer heat, making a lot of greens more bitter around mid-late summer.
For some reason, olives gave me the hardest time with that goal (I love them now). I still can't get behind licorice (either the anise kind of the real licorice root kind), but I think I'm ok with that.
Alright, I bit. And found the patent in question. It does also claim any further modification (i.e. accidentally cross-pollinated) varieties (item 0047). Exactly how it would hold up in court I think remains to be tested, but yeah, fuck Monsanto's patent trolling (the patent is granted to Seminis seeds, which is owned by Monsanto)
All quite reasonable criteria, I'd say.
Honestly I never really paid all that much attention either, until two years ago when I spent a summer in California living with a roommate who worked at the Embarcadero farmer's market (the most elitist of the farmer's markets!) and would regularly bring home just the absolute tastiest stuff (he would trade with the other merchants). I'd almost (but I'd probably be exaggerating) describe it as finding that red, juicy strawberry feeling, but in a whole range of other foods. Since then, I've decided that good food definitely makes my list of priorities to spend a little extra dough on.
Anyway, I guess we can reasonably conclude: I'm an elitist, and you're a fool :-)
It's funny, really:
article: "broccoli in stores sucks, fresh is almost never available, etc etc "
/. : "Whatever, screw that, all broccoli (that I've eaten from those same grocery stores) sucks!"
(Not to take emphasis away from the pile that is over-boiled broccoli)
Fresh broccoli, as it's written in the article, refers to harvested the same day. That's not what you're getting in most stores. You can disagree that it tastes any different (I'd think you're a fool if you did, but that's just my two cents), but I think the claim as stated stands true.
As much as I hate Monsanto, I really don't trust much from realfarmacy. Especially after reading this.
Well that would be nice, wouldn't it? Too bad...
(Also, is he? I read the conversation as about the current marketplace for books and literature.)
Valid points. Although one could argue about the value of having a physical library / bookshelf too, but let's not. And for me personally, I usually walk / bike, often when it's already on my way.
I'm just saying that the consumer isn't winning "insanely" low prices with ebooks vs. physical ones (as well as the other string of listed benefits that also boil down to low prices)
I guess I've never associated the independent book stores (at least the ones that I've liked, I probably just ignored others) with price gouging, but I take your other points. Some part of me likes to buy on principle to prevent one or a few players gaining so much market dominance (rather than, as you say, fixing it once there is a demonstrable problem), but at the same time it's probably also silly to think that's effectively accomplishing anything.
PS - I also just now placed an order on Amazon, though not the book store :-)
Ok, so who's the adventurous entrepreneur you think should start the business that will fail as soon as Amazon undercuts their prices, for a few months, then jacks the price back up? I think there's more validity to the remark about lack of real competition than you give credit.
Granted I haven't looked at the ebook market for several years, but that's because of my point: the prices were higher than physical books for the selections I was looking for (not even counting used books, which there is a really good selection of at a store by me). Also, for my purpose, the ebooks were a less convenient format.
To each his own, I guess, but I suspect you may be exaggerating a little.
I don't think I'd have a problem with the book stores you're describing succumbing to their obsolescence. I'd really like the book store I go to, however, to stay in business, as I do enjoy browsing the selection they offer. Just pointing out the diversity of options as far as such stores go, I'm sure you already realize the fallacy of generalizing so broadly.
"Force" is putting it strongly. I don't have an entertainment system in my car. I also don't use my phone in my car. Astonishing, I know. How on earth I keep myself entertained in cars is still a mystery to me.
And no, I'm not saying everyone's needs are the same as mine.