there seem to be a few quotes there that you have pretended I wrote (about screwing rugs and donald trump - wtf?)
Yeah, sorry about that. The replies were so close in time to yours that I didn't bother looking at who actually wrote them. It seems that AutodidactLabrat hasn't taught himself much and has perhaps been experimented on a bit too much... For reference, here are the posts I was referring to. Again, sorry for attributing those to you in error. Now that you've pointed out my error, I've posted similar replies to the posts directly, so the correct person gets chastised for them.
I stand by what I've written
Look, I appreciate your resolve here. Really, I do, but you truly are in error. I don't expect that you'll believe it; as I said earlier, had it not happened to me, I myself would not believe most of it.
I believe you defended mythical wrongly accused rapists
That is not, and never was, my intent. If you think that's what's happened, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but the fact remains that everything I wrote happened as I wrote it (again, save for the one error in my initial report). Again, I don't expect you to believe it, but I also did not expect you to continue your attacks for as long as you have. Seriously, you must have something better to do, right? I keep replying in defense of myself because what I've written is the truth; I'm really not sure why you haven't moved on by now.
multiple examples of "rape accusations" that turned out not to be what the police or anyone else here would call "rape accusations"
Ahem... The police showed up at my door to investigate one of them; clearly they considered it such. The other two I don't believe were actually reported, but when my friends and family are calling me and screaming at me asking me how I could have "done such a thing" and my boss is calling me into his office talking about how he's "not sure he wants to employ [my] kind", yeah, clearly some accusations were made beyond a mere breakup argument. To boot, the two I'm not sure were reported to the police were women I, in fact, had not dated. There was no breakup to argue over in either of those cases. I figured you'd infer that from my stating that I never laid as much as a finger on one of them, nor even met the other in person, I really didn't think I had to spell it out for you.
and played the victim card to boot.
To be fair, I was drugged and raped, or are you implying that the existence of my penis implies consent? And, if that's the case, what of the fact that she was an adult and I was a minor? Rape, in the eyes of the law, no matter which way you slice it. And the domestic violence? With witnesses and at least one police report. Surely that happened and myself, the Clinton Township Police Department (possible the Macomb County Sheriff, it was 14 years ago and I don't recall), and my neighbors who gave statements aren't all delusional.
If that was not your intention then what the hell are you trying to do here and what is the point of all that whining and jazzed up storytelling?
Simply trying to relay me experience. There has been no whining and I assure you nothing has been jazzed up. I wish your statements here were true, but I did experience what I claim.
It doesn't matter to me that stuff "just happened" to you since it turned out in the end to be far more trivial than what is being discussed
Rape and domestic violence are trivial? You're a fucking piece of work, buddy. My wife commented that you sounded like a rapist a few posts back; now I'm hearing it, too.
but still, why take so much offence when the obvious falsehood
My solution is to apply the same standard you would apply to a woman. If that's the standard you'd apply to a woman, well, I think you're nuts, but yes. If you'd apply something a bit more sensible to a woman's claim, the same should be apied to a man's. What's so hard to understand about that?
I think you should go screw a rug, it's all that will have you, it seems
Hmm... I bet my rapist, several girls I've dated over the past 19 years, and my wife would disagree. Projecting much?
I wouldn't advertise being an autodidact, you seem to have not learnt much.
Trump? Really? For all I care he can build his wall with himself on the other side of it. It really isn't my fault picking up the phone or sending in a form is too much work for you, but there really is a world outside of the internet. Plenty of basis, you're just too afraid to actually loom for it.
Why anonymous? You make a very salient point and you should take credit for it. It's not like someone's gonna stand up and call you out for not being racist.
and spot the dozens of things I (and everyone else) do on a daily basis that violate one of the hundreds of thousands of obscure lines of law on the books.
That last one is huge.
It's also an extremely stupid (thus unlikely) move for MS to make. Think about it, when your OS starts calling the cops on you, you move to another OS. Only a company hell-bent on putting themselves out of business would do that. Since the rest of your post is based on that premise, well, the rest of your post is going to be ignored.
Sorry, your long post was completely wasted because all the really needs to be addressed is your first one.
You really should have read the whole thing. I combined all of our split threads, because somehow you can't manage to fucking reply to one post with one post, instead posting multiple sets of random ramblings like a desperate dog (very telling). That'd be why it was so long.
I'm going to do the same thing here, since I have, yet again, 3 desperate replies from you.
AC1:
WTF are you talking about? False rape reports are a tiny percent of rapes reported. And the number of actual rapes not reported is quite high as well.
Irrelevant, I replied to AC2, not AC1. AC2's post was about so much more than you claim; apparently, you don't like reading much past the first line of anything. You should try it sometime, you might learn something. In fact, reading and understanding before replying should be the norm for a teacher; the logic of that should have an especially soft place in the heart of a supposed engineering teacher, at that!
AC2:
It's truly unfortunate and sad but actually there are a whole lot more false rape reports than you might think. It's the kind of thing that tend not to get reported...
... Likewise women engage in domestic violence more often than men do, but you have to research the topic to find this out.
... Likewise, a man who tried to report being assaulted by his wife/partner tends to be viewed as less masculine, attaching a stigma to it. The reality is that a woman who physically abuses her husband won't be instantly arrested and charged on his word alone (like a man would). The abusive woman can be confident that he probably won't defend himself with his superior strength because if he did that, then HE would go to jail.
... Actual equality and accountability under the law would be a positive change.
All points relevant to what I posted.
Then your letter to penthouse (yes, it is that unlikely, obviously "jazzed up" and unrealistic don't pretend I meant anything else by calling it that) in support of all those men behind bars falsely accused of rape follows
In fact, that's not what I was supporting, but do men (and women, for that matter; why do you keep focusing on the men when I very clearly support the rights of women as well?) behind bars for something they did not do not deserve our support? Of course the ones who actually did whatever put them there should rot, but the innocent? Not in my America, friend. Maybe wherever you are in the world, but you can keep it.
complete with playing the victim card!
Yeah, 19, 15, 14, and 13 years ago; not today. The second rape accusation was while I was in a relationship (with the domestic abuser), by someone I talked to online but never actually met. The beating she went on to (attempt to) administer ended up breaking her own arm. I laugh about it today because she really never landed a single blow and she did injure herself a lot; enough so, in fact, that anyone who wasn't in the immediate vicinity thought I was the abusive one, while neighbors knew the truth. And so did the police when there were fresh holes in the walls from where I dodged her attacks, and her fists showed signs of having made those holes, combined with witness statements from neighbors. But, again, that was 14 years ago and I laugh about it today because she really sucked at what she was trying to do; it's the kind of thing that, if I hadn't experienced it myself, I'd think, well... exactly what you think, honestly. It really is something that belongs in a movie.
The horror story you wrote in a thread about false rape reports to police.
The factual account I wrote in response to a post about false reports, things generally going unreported, and men being assaulted, you mean? Yes, the false report of harassment is relevant to that. Yes, the false report of rape is relevant to that, even if the police opted to fudge the books a little and not arrest her for it. Yes, my actual domestic abuse and rape are relevant to that. And yes, the accusers who opted to try and get me disowned by friends and family and fired from jobs rather than going to the police do also count; I don't know that neither of them actually went to the police, it's quite likely that they both did, I only know the police never contacted me and I have no criminal record; this could just as well be because they had no evidence to speak of that I had ever even touched (let alone raped) either of them -- and indeed they could not as I'd literally never met one of them in person and never laid as much as a finger on the other.
I'm sure those last two were nothing more than extortionists trying to scam a payday, but that does happen.
If you meant something entirely different to the post above yours you agreed to by saying "This" then you should have written something else should you not?
Ah, but the post above mine, which you clearly didn't even read, was about more than the one thing you are focusing on here. Don't forget, this thread serves as a factual text record of what was written here. Anyone, and indeed yourself (I recommend it, actually), can go back and see that you're full of shit by now.
Instead you've written a huge number of posts whining and now pretending you wrote something other than what you did in something other than the context it was in.
I've written a huge number of posts defending the truths that I wrote about, no whining from me, sir. You've written a huge number of posts whining that I must be lying because you don't like the truth. Sack up, sir. Sack up.
Bad puppy...
... kicker.
Also, it's fucking asinine that you've been unable to reply to a single post with a single post enough times that we now have three distinct branches of this discussion; neigh, we had four but there was at least one branch you were unable to think up a response to. Allow me to remedy that now by replying to all in this one post. Please use good form going forward, assuming you choose to do so, and keep all of your responses to a single post at a time. Likewise, if you could do as I am doing and kindly address all of my points in each post, rather than cherry-picking the ones you think you can attack out of the context of the rest of the post, that would be great.
Remember what I said about giving people credit for generally being able to figure shit out? Yeah, I meant figuring out that you're a blathering fucking idiot who's just whining about not being able to get me to recant my story... because my story is the fucking truth.
You mean if you had read and understood my initial post for what it was, rather than making shit up
I did - I saw through the "enhancement" you applied that has since fallen apart under questioning
Then clearly, no, you did not. There was no enhancement and I implore you to point out how such supposed enhancement as "fallen apart".
the bit where you pretended that slander was equivalent to laying false rape charges especially.
You still fail to see this, and that's okay as introspection can be hard, but that's all in your head. Now that it's been pointed out a few times, though, your continued failure seems to indicate that you're simply not trying.
The way I was raised, if you're right you never back down
I don't have to convince someone who already knows what they did. I'm calling you to account.
That call's just gonna keep ringing, it's not going to be answered because there's no-one by the name "lying MRA" here.
Using falsehoods to complain about dishonesty would be hilarious in a different context. Using to excuse rapists however, not so funny.
Who's excusing rapists? I'm certainly not, as I've said (and repeated now several times) rape is inexcusable. Okay, so I said "bad", literally, but a wise person might infer. You did not infer, so...
Only you inflated it into something other than truth to push an agenda about large numbers of rapists being falsely accused.
No, I spoke of my own experience. I never extrapolated that into anything more; if that happened anywhere, it was in your own head.
If you were truthful you wouldn't have got my mild rebuke and if you hadn't kept digging this thread would not be here.
You mean if you had read and understood my initial post for what it was, rather than making shit up. Notice how you're the only one still on my case about it.
Here's the thing: The way I was raised, if you're right you never back down and if you're wrong you never open your mouth in the first place. I'm not backing down.
One has to eventually or it doesn't matter. Do you really care is a machine sees your porn collection? If so, perhaps don't store it on one to begin with.
If they really want to pay for all that bandwidth and storage just to find out what porn everyone is watching, I say more power to them. Let them collect as much noise as possible; they'll never be able to find anything useful in all of it. Not that there's nothing useful to be found, just that there's so much noise and next to no signal.
You're telling me this like you think you're going to convince me. Please, stop wasting your time. I was there, you were not. I get to sleep at night knowing that I'm speaking the truth, while you'll always have the voice in the back of your head, nagging you about whether or not you were wrong about me.
You told me when you went to high school remember
Yeah, wasn't sure you got that. Thought that may have been just one more detail you missed.
pissweak gutless victim shit
You think that's what this is?
you are anything but that.
Bingo. I never said I felt victimized by shit, I said shit happened to me and I got over it years ago. I don't go around posting about it and raising a fuss about it everywhere. I do bring it up when it's relevant, like in this thread; I think one or more of the incidents have come up maybe 6 times in the past 19 years since the first of them (my rape) occurred. Further, I never said I am a rape victim, I said I was one; likewise with domestic abuse. I was a victim of both of those things, I came to terms with what happened, removed those people from my life, and got on with it; I am no longer a victim of either. That is neither pissweak, gutless, not victim shit. That's being a damn adult and getting over shit.
Maybe I was like that at your age now but I doubt it.
I doubt it, too; you clearly have not moved on from whatever hurt you.
Look, we seem to agree on the key points here[1-3]; the only point of contention appears to be whether or not my claims are factual in nature. Here's the thing about that, though: I don't need your validation, I was there, I know what happened, and yes, I'm allowed to talk about it, so just let that argument go already. I'll ask again:
Can we just agree to... well... agree?
[1] The fact is, rape, sexual assault and harassment, domestic violence, and false accusations of any of those are all bad things, regardless who they happen to. And they all happen to both genders. You might not like that fact, and that's something we can actually agree on, even if for different reasons. You don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative; I don't like it because most of those things actually happened to me.
[2] Well, we can agree on one thing: people who make shit up are childish. I can assure you, however, that I don't fit that profile.
[3] "this men's rights shit is poison." Another thing we agree on, actually.
Seems you're missing something... let's see, what could it b? OH!
... as I've said several times now, not reported as I was a dumb kid and, honestly quite embarrassed about it at the time.
So, no, what you wrote does not stand; only if you ignore literally 90% of what I wrote could you possibly believe that it did. And, oh, look, you quoted literally the 10% that, in absence of the 90%, would appear to support your twisted view of reality
You wanted to pretend that you could have been one of those guys falsely convicted of rape
You assume this. You are also wrong, but don't let that stop you.
Pathetic and twisting the minds of the kiddies that don't know any better.
You seem to be projecting, here. Personally, I prefer to give people some credit for being able to figure shit out; that's why we're still having this discussion. You're so transparent that I'm positive that 100% of people who read any portion of this will see just how twisted and fucked up you've gotten over the years, attacking someone for posting about some bad shit in their past.
It shit like this that let Jimmie Saville, Bill Crosby, Phil Spector and many others be accused (to the police obviously) of rape many times and they could laugh it off as a false accusation
I can assure you that me standing up and truthfully speaking about my experiences has nothing to do with it.
Nah, man, it's their money, which they use to pay for lawyers. Also, their notoriety and the fact that they're well known and generally liked and trusted. It's hard to accuse someone you like and trust of rape, and it's hard to believe someone else who does.
What you're doing, on the other hand, attacking someone who is speaking truthfully and from the heart about shit people would rather didn't happen, contributes to more and more of it being swept under the rug because, honestly, nobody wants to deal with people like you after being raped.
Don't just add to that shit because it is fashionable. Be a real man instead.
Hell, I'm so confident that I'm speaking honestly (because, well, I was there) that I'll even point out the one inconsistency in my story: I said none of my accusers went to the police, then later mentioned that one did. Of course, you have to think about why that detail may have slipped my mind. Let's see... because I'm not an activist who spouts bullshit all day (or I'd have the story straight by now, dig?) and I've talked about it maybe twice since it happened 13 years ago, it was less than fresh in my mind. In fact, I've talked about any of these incidents maybe a total of 6 times in the 19 years since the first of them (my rape) occurred. Yes, I'm such an activist and I'm pushing that agenda really hard.
You might need to go back more than 2 days in your posting history.
Give up on the boilerplate fucking insult you've used on someone else
When did I use it on someone else? Eh? Not saying I've never said it before, but clearly not frequently enough to be boilerplate, like your "agenda" and "men's rights" claims, which you use so frequently you've thrown both at me several times in just a handful of comments.
incredibly thin skin
Nah, just don't like being called a liar when I'm very much telling the truth. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
Jesus Christ, who's the one blowing shit put of proportion and pushing an agenda? You, puppy-kicker. You.
In fact, you're so busy pushing your agenda that you couldn't even be assed to follow what you were reading when you read my initial post, leading you to miss and confuse several key details.
Don't be surprised if that puppy you're kicking grows up and bites your fucking face off.
Please stop peeing all over the floor kid
Again, just how young do you think I am?
this men's rights shit is poison.
Another thing we agree on, actually. I count at least 3 of those, now. Perhaps take a step back, take a deep breath, and give that some deep thought before you post again?
No, that was, as I've said several times now, not reported as I was a dumb kid and, honestly quite embarrassed about it at the time.
Didn't you say that in between stuff about things on video?
No, the video was one of my accusers. You don't really have to ask what I said earlier, you do realize you can go back and read it again, right? Maybe actually try to follow it this time?
Not implying, I have pointed it out explictly.
Again, who are you trying to convince? I'd know if I were making anything up and, well, you won't convince me that I am because, plainly, I know better.
You have pretended that slander not reported to police is a "false rape report".
I never said "report", I said "accusation". Funny how you stopped trying to argue the accusation point after I gave you the definition in response to one of your other posts and are now claiming I said "report", as in "filed with the police".
You have made up the "false rape reports".
As I just explained, no, you made up the false reports, I never said false report, I said false accusation. Nice redirect, though, attacking something I never claimed when you realize you can't attack my actual claim anymore.
As you kids say "not cool dude"
Just how young do you think I am? But you're right, what you're doing here is not cool.
I implore you to scour the web for any evidence that I'm an activist of any type. Show some evidence of the supposed agenda you purport that I am pushing. Show anywhere else that I've brought these incidents up. You'll find a handful of Slashdot threads if you go back enough years, and you'll find that the details match up. Beyond that, however, well... I'm not very active for being a supposed activist with an agenda to push. And how can you claim I'm arguing for men's rights when I'm flat out repeating the message that rape, domestic abuse, harassment, and false accusations (of anything are wrong regardless of who commits the acts or who is on the receiving end? Seems to me that I'm saying there is (or at least, there should be) some equality there, not that men should have rights women don't, or that men's rights need to be protected, but that all people should have the same rights and the rights of all people should be protected.
You, on the other hand... Well... I didn't have to look beyond your Slashdot posting history to see just how politically active you try to be. Who's the activist here? Who has the agenda? Hmm...
You're the one discounting rape, domestic abuse, sexual harassment, and false accusations. You're the one pushing a fairly heavy agenda and hiding behind a false name while doing so. Me? My email address, partially comprised of my last name, is right there; it doesn't take more than a few clicks to find out who I am. I'm not hiding like you are; might that be because I've nothing to hide, while you do? I should say so.
Well, considering that there are several incidents being discussed here, let's take a look and see if you're confusing two or more of them.
What you said before about the police dropping the entire thing
Well, the police did drop their investigation into a rape I was accused of.
or this new statement?
Which was about my rape, not one I was accused of. So yeah, looks like you were confused.
I am trying to convince you to stop misleading the actual kiddies
So, then, you're trying to convince me I wasn't raped and that I was not a victim of domestic abuse. You're trying to convince me I wasn't almost expelled from school due to a false accusation of sexual harassment. You're trying to convince me that a lot of things that actually happened to me did not, in fact, happen and that by talking about them I'm somehow misleading people.
for the sake of childishly pushing a fucking stupid "poor little oppressed men" agenda.
So you're implying I'm making shit up. Well, we can agree on one thing: people who make shit up are childish. I can assure you, however, that I don't fit that profile.
It's probably time you acted your age.
Ha.:)
By the way, my wife says you're a cunt. I don't disagree with her.
Uh... the police didn't ignore it; as I stated elsewhere in the discussion I was a dumb kid (I was 17) and didn't report it. In fact, most male rape victims don't report.
Again, who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself? Because you're wasting your time trying to convince me that something very real that happened to me did not happen.
You can go get fucked right off a cliff along with anyone else who's ever denied anyone'e rape or domestic abuse claims on the basis of show me the documentation. Seriously. Get fucked.
No. Read my entire post, dumbfuck. You have to pick up the phone or maybe fill out a form and mail it in. But I guess for a worthless lazy "hand me all the information or it doesn't exist" piece of fucking shit like you, yes, that means there are no records.
Slashdot Mirror
there seem to be a few quotes there that you have pretended I wrote (about screwing rugs and donald trump - wtf?)
Yeah, sorry about that. The replies were so close in time to yours that I didn't bother looking at who actually wrote them. It seems that AutodidactLabrat hasn't taught himself much and has perhaps been experimented on a bit too much... For reference, here are the posts I was referring to. Again, sorry for attributing those to you in error. Now that you've pointed out my error, I've posted similar replies to the posts directly, so the correct person gets chastised for them.
I stand by what I've written
Look, I appreciate your resolve here. Really, I do, but you truly are in error. I don't expect that you'll believe it; as I said earlier, had it not happened to me, I myself would not believe most of it.
I believe you defended mythical wrongly accused rapists
That is not, and never was, my intent. If you think that's what's happened, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but the fact remains that everything I wrote happened as I wrote it (again, save for the one error in my initial report). Again, I don't expect you to believe it, but I also did not expect you to continue your attacks for as long as you have. Seriously, you must have something better to do, right? I keep replying in defense of myself because what I've written is the truth; I'm really not sure why you haven't moved on by now.
multiple examples of "rape accusations" that turned out not to be what the police or anyone else here would call "rape accusations"
Ahem... The police showed up at my door to investigate one of them; clearly they considered it such. The other two I don't believe were actually reported, but when my friends and family are calling me and screaming at me asking me how I could have "done such a thing" and my boss is calling me into his office talking about how he's "not sure he wants to employ [my] kind", yeah, clearly some accusations were made beyond a mere breakup argument. To boot, the two I'm not sure were reported to the police were women I, in fact, had not dated. There was no breakup to argue over in either of those cases. I figured you'd infer that from my stating that I never laid as much as a finger on one of them, nor even met the other in person, I really didn't think I had to spell it out for you.
and played the victim card to boot.
To be fair, I was drugged and raped, or are you implying that the existence of my penis implies consent? And, if that's the case, what of the fact that she was an adult and I was a minor? Rape, in the eyes of the law, no matter which way you slice it. And the domestic violence? With witnesses and at least one police report. Surely that happened and myself, the Clinton Township Police Department (possible the Macomb County Sheriff, it was 14 years ago and I don't recall), and my neighbors who gave statements aren't all delusional.
If that was not your intention then what the hell are you trying to do here and what is the point of all that whining and jazzed up storytelling?
Simply trying to relay me experience. There has been no whining and I assure you nothing has been jazzed up. I wish your statements here were true, but I did experience what I claim.
It doesn't matter to me that stuff "just happened" to you since it turned out in the end to be far more trivial than what is being discussed
Rape and domestic violence are trivial? You're a fucking piece of work, buddy. My wife commented that you sounded like a rapist a few posts back; now I'm hearing it, too.
but still, why take so much offence when the obvious falsehood
So, your solution is "Believe him or else"?
My solution is to apply the same standard you would apply to a woman. If that's the standard you'd apply to a woman, well, I think you're nuts, but yes. If you'd apply something a bit more sensible to a woman's claim, the same should be apied to a man's. What's so hard to understand about that?
I think you should go screw a rug, it's all that will have you, it seems
Hmm... I bet my rapist, several girls I've dated over the past 19 years, and my wife would disagree. Projecting much?
I wouldn't advertise being an autodidact, you seem to have not learnt much.
Trump? Really? For all I care he can build his wall with himself on the other side of it. It really isn't my fault picking up the phone or sending in a form is too much work for you, but there really is a world outside of the internet. Plenty of basis, you're just too afraid to actually loom for it.
Why anonymous? You make a very salient point and you should take credit for it. It's not like someone's gonna stand up and call you out for not being racist.
and spot the dozens of things I (and everyone else) do on a daily basis that violate one of the hundreds of thousands of obscure lines of law on the books.
That last one is huge.
It's also an extremely stupid (thus unlikely) move for MS to make. Think about it, when your OS starts calling the cops on you, you move to another OS. Only a company hell-bent on putting themselves out of business would do that. Since the rest of your post is based on that premise, well, the rest of your post is going to be ignored.
Sorry, your long post was completely wasted because all the really needs to be addressed is your first one.
You really should have read the whole thing. I combined all of our split threads, because somehow you can't manage to fucking reply to one post with one post, instead posting multiple sets of random ramblings like a desperate dog (very telling). That'd be why it was so long.
I'm going to do the same thing here, since I have, yet again, 3 desperate replies from you.
AC1:
WTF are you talking about? False rape reports are a tiny percent of rapes reported. And the number of actual rapes not reported is quite high as well.
Irrelevant, I replied to AC2, not AC1. AC2's post was about so much more than you claim; apparently, you don't like reading much past the first line of anything. You should try it sometime, you might learn something. In fact, reading and understanding before replying should be the norm for a teacher; the logic of that should have an especially soft place in the heart of a supposed engineering teacher, at that!
AC2:
It's truly unfortunate and sad but actually there are a whole lot more false rape reports than you might think. It's the kind of thing that tend not to get reported...
... Likewise women engage in domestic violence more often than men do, but you have to research the topic to find this out.
... Likewise, a man who tried to report being assaulted by his wife/partner tends to be viewed as less masculine, attaching a stigma to it. The reality is that a woman who physically abuses her husband won't be instantly arrested and charged on his word alone (like a man would). The abusive woman can be confident that he probably won't defend himself with his superior strength because if he did that, then HE would go to jail.
... Actual equality and accountability under the law would be a positive change.
All points relevant to what I posted.
Then your letter to penthouse (yes, it is that unlikely, obviously "jazzed up" and unrealistic don't pretend I meant anything else by calling it that) in support of all those men behind bars falsely accused of rape follows
In fact, that's not what I was supporting, but do men (and women, for that matter; why do you keep focusing on the men when I very clearly support the rights of women as well?) behind bars for something they did not do not deserve our support? Of course the ones who actually did whatever put them there should rot, but the innocent? Not in my America, friend. Maybe wherever you are in the world, but you can keep it.
complete with playing the victim card!
Yeah, 19, 15, 14, and 13 years ago; not today. The second rape accusation was while I was in a relationship (with the domestic abuser), by someone I talked to online but never actually met. The beating she went on to (attempt to) administer ended up breaking her own arm. I laugh about it today because she really never landed a single blow and she did injure herself a lot; enough so, in fact, that anyone who wasn't in the immediate vicinity thought I was the abusive one, while neighbors knew the truth. And so did the police when there were fresh holes in the walls from where I dodged her attacks, and her fists showed signs of having made those holes, combined with witness statements from neighbors. But, again, that was 14 years ago and I laugh about it today because she really sucked at what she was trying to do; it's the kind of thing that, if I hadn't experienced it myself, I'd think, well... exactly what you think, honestly. It really is something that belongs in a movie.
My response to that was very mild
And misguided.
but you j
The horror story you wrote in a thread about false rape reports to police.
The factual account I wrote in response to a post about false reports, things generally going unreported, and men being assaulted, you mean? Yes, the false report of harassment is relevant to that. Yes, the false report of rape is relevant to that, even if the police opted to fudge the books a little and not arrest her for it. Yes, my actual domestic abuse and rape are relevant to that. And yes, the accusers who opted to try and get me disowned by friends and family and fired from jobs rather than going to the police do also count; I don't know that neither of them actually went to the police, it's quite likely that they both did, I only know the police never contacted me and I have no criminal record; this could just as well be because they had no evidence to speak of that I had ever even touched (let alone raped) either of them -- and indeed they could not as I'd literally never met one of them in person and never laid as much as a finger on the other.
I'm sure those last two were nothing more than extortionists trying to scam a payday, but that does happen.
If you meant something entirely different to the post above yours you agreed to by saying "This" then you should have written something else should you not?
Ah, but the post above mine, which you clearly didn't even read, was about more than the one thing you are focusing on here. Don't forget, this thread serves as a factual text record of what was written here. Anyone, and indeed yourself (I recommend it, actually), can go back and see that you're full of shit by now.
Instead you've written a huge number of posts whining and now pretending you wrote something other than what you did in something other than the context it was in.
I've written a huge number of posts defending the truths that I wrote about, no whining from me, sir. You've written a huge number of posts whining that I must be lying because you don't like the truth. Sack up, sir. Sack up.
Bad puppy...
... kicker.
Also, it's fucking asinine that you've been unable to reply to a single post with a single post enough times that we now have three distinct branches of this discussion; neigh, we had four but there was at least one branch you were unable to think up a response to. Allow me to remedy that now by replying to all in this one post. Please use good form going forward, assuming you choose to do so, and keep all of your responses to a single post at a time. Likewise, if you could do as I am doing and kindly address all of my points in each post, rather than cherry-picking the ones you think you can attack out of the context of the rest of the post, that would be great.
Remember what I said about giving people credit for generally being able to figure shit out? Yeah, I meant figuring out that you're a blathering fucking idiot who's just whining about not being able to get me to recant my story... because my story is the fucking truth.
You mean if you had read and understood my initial post for what it was, rather than making shit up
I did - I saw through the "enhancement" you applied that has since fallen apart under questioning
Then clearly, no, you did not. There was no enhancement and I implore you to point out how such supposed enhancement as "fallen apart".
the bit where you pretended that slander was equivalent to laying false rape charges especially.
You still fail to see this, and that's okay as introspection can be hard, but that's all in your head. Now that it's been pointed out a few times, though, your continued failure seems to indicate that you're simply not trying.
The way I was raised, if you're right you never back down
Attacking someone for LYING about some bad shit in their past
And that would be all fine and well if I were lying.
to push a very nasty "they all cry wolf" agenda
Amusing. I never claimed that. That, my friend, is all in your own head.
and then hiding behind rightous indignation when mildly rebuked.
Who's the one hiding? Not me, sir. My name is attached to this account in more ways than one. Where are you, sir?
I don't have to convince someone who already knows what they did. I'm calling you to account.
That call's just gonna keep ringing, it's not going to be answered because there's no-one by the name "lying MRA" here.
Using falsehoods to complain about dishonesty would be hilarious in a different context. Using to excuse rapists however, not so funny.
Who's excusing rapists? I'm certainly not, as I've said (and repeated now several times) rape is inexcusable. Okay, so I said "bad", literally, but a wise person might infer. You did not infer, so...
Only you inflated it into something other than truth to push an agenda about large numbers of rapists being falsely accused.
No, I spoke of my own experience. I never extrapolated that into anything more; if that happened anywhere, it was in your own head.
If you were truthful you wouldn't have got my mild rebuke and if you hadn't kept digging this thread would not be here.
You mean if you had read and understood my initial post for what it was, rather than making shit up. Notice how you're the only one still on my case about it.
Here's the thing: The way I was raised, if you're right you never back down and if you're wrong you never open your mouth in the first place. I'm not backing down.
So you're the guy who lied to imply that there are a lot of rapists who shouldn't be locked up because of huge numbers of false reports
No, actually I never claimed that, I merely pointed out that (as in my case) false accusations do happen.
and I'm the bad guy for calling you out on it?
No, you're the bad guy for making shit up.
What's more I need to be threatened with a violent response (that puppy biting back shit).
Your puppy-kicking was simile but, somehow, my biting back isn't allowed to be?
Good to know how it stands.
Indeed.
Is that really the person you wanted to grow up to be?
You mean not the horror-story you're projecting onto me? Yeah, actually, I'm quite happy having not grown up to be that.
Keep in mind, when people project like that, they're most often projecting themselves.
One has to eventually or it doesn't matter. Do you really care is a machine sees your porn collection? If so, perhaps don't store it on one to begin with.
If they really want to pay for all that bandwidth and storage just to find out what porn everyone is watching, I say more power to them. Let them collect as much noise as possible; they'll never be able to find anything useful in all of it. Not that there's nothing useful to be found, just that there's so much noise and next to no signal.
You were dishonest
You're telling me this like you think you're going to convince me. Please, stop wasting your time. I was there, you were not. I get to sleep at night knowing that I'm speaking the truth, while you'll always have the voice in the back of your head, nagging you about whether or not you were wrong about me.
You told me when you went to high school remember
Yeah, wasn't sure you got that. Thought that may have been just one more detail you missed.
pissweak gutless victim shit
You think that's what this is?
you are anything but that.
Bingo. I never said I felt victimized by shit, I said shit happened to me and I got over it years ago. I don't go around posting about it and raising a fuss about it everywhere. I do bring it up when it's relevant, like in this thread; I think one or more of the incidents have come up maybe 6 times in the past 19 years since the first of them (my rape) occurred. Further, I never said I am a rape victim, I said I was one; likewise with domestic abuse. I was a victim of both of those things, I came to terms with what happened, removed those people from my life, and got on with it; I am no longer a victim of either. That is neither pissweak, gutless, not victim shit. That's being a damn adult and getting over shit.
Maybe I was like that at your age now but I doubt it.
I doubt it, too; you clearly have not moved on from whatever hurt you.
Look, we seem to agree on the key points here[1-3]; the only point of contention appears to be whether or not my claims are factual in nature. Here's the thing about that, though: I don't need your validation, I was there, I know what happened, and yes, I'm allowed to talk about it, so just let that argument go already. I'll ask again:
Can we just agree to... well... agree?
[1] The fact is, rape, sexual assault and harassment, domestic violence, and false accusations of any of those are all bad things, regardless who they happen to. And they all happen to both genders. You might not like that fact, and that's something we can actually agree on, even if for different reasons. You don't like it because it doesn't fit your narrative; I don't like it because most of those things actually happened to me.
[2] Well, we can agree on one thing: people who make shit up are childish. I can assure you, however, that I don't fit that profile.
[3] "this men's rights shit is poison." Another thing we agree on, actually.
Wasn't that dropped as well?
No, that was,
Then obviously what I have written stands.
Seems you're missing something... let's see, what could it b? OH!
... as I've said several times now, not reported as I was a dumb kid and, honestly quite embarrassed about it at the time.
So, no, what you wrote does not stand; only if you ignore literally 90% of what I wrote could you possibly believe that it did. And, oh, look, you quoted literally the 10% that, in absence of the 90%, would appear to support your twisted view of reality
You wanted to pretend that you could have been one of those guys falsely convicted of rape
You assume this. You are also wrong, but don't let that stop you.
Pathetic and twisting the minds of the kiddies that don't know any better.
You seem to be projecting, here. Personally, I prefer to give people some credit for being able to figure shit out; that's why we're still having this discussion. You're so transparent that I'm positive that 100% of people who read any portion of this will see just how twisted and fucked up you've gotten over the years, attacking someone for posting about some bad shit in their past.
It shit like this that let Jimmie Saville, Bill Crosby, Phil Spector and many others be accused (to the police obviously) of rape many times and they could laugh it off as a false accusation
I can assure you that me standing up and truthfully speaking about my experiences has nothing to do with it.
Nah, man, it's their money, which they use to pay for lawyers. Also, their notoriety and the fact that they're well known and generally liked and trusted. It's hard to accuse someone you like and trust of rape, and it's hard to believe someone else who does.
What you're doing, on the other hand, attacking someone who is speaking truthfully and from the heart about shit people would rather didn't happen, contributes to more and more of it being swept under the rug because, honestly, nobody wants to deal with people like you after being raped.
Don't just add to that shit because it is fashionable. Be a real man instead.
Hell, I'm so confident that I'm speaking honestly (because, well, I was there) that I'll even point out the one inconsistency in my story: I said none of my accusers went to the police, then later mentioned that one did. Of course, you have to think about why that detail may have slipped my mind. Let's see... because I'm not an activist who spouts bullshit all day (or I'd have the story straight by now, dig?) and I've talked about it maybe twice since it happened 13 years ago, it was less than fresh in my mind. In fact, I've talked about any of these incidents maybe a total of 6 times in the 19 years since the first of them (my rape) occurred. Yes, I'm such an activist and I'm pushing that agenda really hard.
Get over yourself.
I work from home and I'm on the 3rd floor with the blinds drawn. Completely nude at the moment.
Geophones, Model T Ford and Nokia are political?
You might need to go back more than 2 days in your posting history.
Give up on the boilerplate fucking insult you've used on someone else
When did I use it on someone else? Eh? Not saying I've never said it before, but clearly not frequently enough to be boilerplate, like your "agenda" and "men's rights" claims, which you use so frequently you've thrown both at me several times in just a handful of comments.
incredibly thin skin
Nah, just don't like being called a liar when I'm very much telling the truth. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
In fact, you're so busy pushing your agenda that you couldn't even be assed to follow what you were reading when you read my initial post, leading you to miss and confuse several key details.
Don't be surprised if that puppy you're kicking grows up and bites your fucking face off.
Please stop peeing all over the floor kid
Again, just how young do you think I am?
this men's rights shit is poison.
Another thing we agree on, actually. I count at least 3 of those, now. Perhaps take a step back, take a deep breath, and give that some deep thought before you post again?
Wasn't that dropped as well?
No, that was, as I've said several times now, not reported as I was a dumb kid and, honestly quite embarrassed about it at the time.
Didn't you say that in between stuff about things on video?
No, the video was one of my accusers. You don't really have to ask what I said earlier, you do realize you can go back and read it again, right? Maybe actually try to follow it this time?
Not implying, I have pointed it out explictly.
Again, who are you trying to convince? I'd know if I were making anything up and, well, you won't convince me that I am because, plainly, I know better.
You have pretended that slander not reported to police is a "false rape report".
I never said "report", I said "accusation". Funny how you stopped trying to argue the accusation point after I gave you the definition in response to one of your other posts and are now claiming I said "report", as in "filed with the police".
You have made up the "false rape reports".
As I just explained, no, you made up the false reports, I never said false report, I said false accusation. Nice redirect, though, attacking something I never claimed when you realize you can't attack my actual claim anymore.
As you kids say "not cool dude"
Just how young do you think I am? But you're right, what you're doing here is not cool.
I implore you to scour the web for any evidence that I'm an activist of any type. Show some evidence of the supposed agenda you purport that I am pushing. Show anywhere else that I've brought these incidents up. You'll find a handful of Slashdot threads if you go back enough years, and you'll find that the details match up. Beyond that, however, well... I'm not very active for being a supposed activist with an agenda to push. And how can you claim I'm arguing for men's rights when I'm flat out repeating the message that rape, domestic abuse, harassment, and false accusations (of anything are wrong regardless of who commits the acts or who is on the receiving end? Seems to me that I'm saying there is (or at least, there should be) some equality there, not that men should have rights women don't, or that men's rights need to be protected, but that all people should have the same rights and the rights of all people should be protected.
You, on the other hand... Well... I didn't have to look beyond your Slashdot posting history to see just how politically active you try to be. Who's the activist here? Who has the agenda? Hmm...
You're the one discounting rape, domestic abuse, sexual harassment, and false accusations. You're the one pushing a fairly heavy agenda and hiding behind a false name while doing so. Me? My email address, partially comprised of my last name, is right there; it doesn't take more than a few clicks to find out who I am. I'm not hiding like you are; might that be because I've nothing to hide, while you do? I should say so.
Which of your stories am I to believe?
Well, considering that there are several incidents being discussed here, let's take a look and see if you're confusing two or more of them.
What you said before about the police dropping the entire thing
Well, the police did drop their investigation into a rape I was accused of.
or this new statement?
Which was about my rape, not one I was accused of. So yeah, looks like you were confused.
I am trying to convince you to stop misleading the actual kiddies
So, then, you're trying to convince me I wasn't raped and that I was not a victim of domestic abuse. You're trying to convince me I wasn't almost expelled from school due to a false accusation of sexual harassment. You're trying to convince me that a lot of things that actually happened to me did not, in fact, happen and that by talking about them I'm somehow misleading people.
for the sake of childishly pushing a fucking stupid "poor little oppressed men" agenda.
So you're implying I'm making shit up. Well, we can agree on one thing: people who make shit up are childish. I can assure you, however, that I don't fit that profile.
It's probably time you acted your age.
Ha. :)
By the way, my wife says you're a cunt. I don't disagree with her.
Uh... the police didn't ignore it; as I stated elsewhere in the discussion I was a dumb kid (I was 17) and didn't report it. In fact, most male rape victims don't report.
Again, who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself? Because you're wasting your time trying to convince me that something very real that happened to me did not happen.
Who are you trying to convince, you or me? I was drugged and fucked against my will. That is rape.
It's both, they're slandering my with an accusation of rape.
Ac-cu-sa-tion
noun a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.
Nowhere in the definition of accusation does it say police or authorities must be involved.
You can go get fucked right off a cliff along with anyone else who's ever denied anyone'e rape or domestic abuse claims on the basis of show me the documentation. Seriously. Get fucked.
No. Read my entire post, dumbfuck. You have to pick up the phone or maybe fill out a form and mail it in. But I guess for a worthless lazy "hand me all the information or it doesn't exist" piece of fucking shit like you, yes, that means there are no records.