Clearly, you didn't read the same thing I did. Also, re: Obamacare, it was a good plan before Congress gutted it; Obama should never have signed it in the state in which it was returned to him. But, the state of the plan when it was signed was the fault of Congress, a Congress who knew Obama would sign it regardless.
So, if a woman claims rape it must be true because all men are rapists, but if a man claims it it must be a lie because all rapists are men? What about when a woman claims rape and there are no witnesses? How are those claims any more valid than the Alien Abduction Victims Speak herd?
In the same way as mine.
Actually, in the case of my abusive ex, even less valid as there were witnesses. Try actually reading my post, you might learn something. The police report is a matter of public record, along with witness statements; so is the restraining order paperwork. Macomb County, MI. Last name should be obvious if you google around a bit.
So, if you're going to say that a woman's claim of rape is valid with no witnesses, so is a man's, and definitely so is my witness-backed and documented claim of domestic abuse.
It seems as though you'll only accept news reports as evidence; well, that's convenient for you since men falling victim to these things doesn't get reported on.
Here's some food for thought, though: there are two typical reasons for something to not be reported in the news; it didn't happen, or it happens so often it's no longer newsworthy. I'm here to tell you it happens, as it's happened to me. Must not be newsworthy, then, which means...
Have you ever been raped? Been falsely accused of rape? Been victim of domestic abuse? I can tell, from the tone of your posts on the subject, no, you have not. You'd take it a bit more seriously if you had.
Making light of rape and domestic abuse dilutes the suffering of all victims, men and women alike. Clearly, you don't care about men, so I'll appeal to the other half: don't dilute the suffering of women. It's a really shitty thing to do and it makes you a shitty person, no better than rapists or abusers.
Be better than a rapist or an abuser. Don't be a shitty person.
If you're working 60+ hrs/week just o pay rent and buy food, then chances are you do not possess the necessary skills, intelligence and drive to single-handedly effect any change.
Or I live in the SF Bay area.
For example, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak sold some of their possessions (such as Wozniak's HP scientific calculator and Jobs' Volkswagen van), raised $1,300, used the money to buy materials and assembled the first Apple CPU boards in Jobs' bedroom and garage. After making their first sale, they quit their jobs and struggled through their startup phase.
That's a completely different kind of change than I'm referring to. That was a change toward their own financial independence, not toward improving quality of life for humanity as a whole. See the distinction? You're also ignoring that neither Jobs nor Woz were what anyone would consider poor; they had posessions of value which they could sell to raise money in the first place.
You either can't get a better-paying job or are living above your means, neither of which bodes well for a future world-changer.
I do quite well for myself; the fact is that I work 60+ to keep my client happy and assist them in the changes they are affecting; I could work many fewer hours, earn considerably less, and still be doing just fine, but I'd be doing so for someone else. Your assumptions lead to a false premise, be careful with that.
Transvetites get sexual pleasure from the clothes they're wearing - hence transvestites are a subset of people that cross-dress
Huh. I thought transvestite and cross-dresser were synonyms and there was a different term (which I didn't take the time to learn because I never really cared to single those people out) for cross-dressing for sexual pleasure. Thanks for educating me on that point.
I'm not always level headed
What I've read so far of your posting history seems to disagree. But, then, nobody is always anything; I'm sure you're a bit different in real life than on the internet. We all are.
You rapidly start to just kind of shrug and get one with life.
I live in the San Francisco Bay area. I would imagine it's difficult to not be accepting of others here; I wouldn't know for certain as I've never tried. People are people (are people) and people will do what people will do. I'm not entirely sure why people get so bent out of shape over things that don't affect them (like someone with a penis wearing a skirt, for example -- though I suppose it certainly had an effect on the guy who tried to grope you), but that's the world we live in. If it wasn't, perhaps Christians and Muslims could finally get along and stop bombing each other, unwanted children wouldn't be born into lives of suffering, and war would once again almost make sense.
On that latter example, I mean to say that a war over wanting some country's oil reserves or land makes a lot more sense than a war over belief systems held by only a subset of the warring countries' respective populations. Not that either really make sense, when oil reserves and such can be bartered and traded for and more land simply means more work to govern. But, I digress; it seems that some people simply have too much time on their hands, and not enough sense, which leads to much of what we see today.
I think it's fair to say, at least when you wear women's clothing, you are a transvestite. After all, that is the definition of the term. That said, I'm not here to open that particular can of worms and you're more than welcome to your own interpretation; after all it is your gender identity. Thank you for being willing to discuss it and not getting angry with me for not automatically getting it right, as so many other members of the (for my vocabulary's lack of a better term; please feel free to correct that) "gender-bending" population would have done.
Something about your posts in this thread gave me the impression that you are a well-adjusted and level-headed individual, which lead me to read through some of your posting history which, of course, confirmed that suspicion. I have to admit I'm still reading, it seems you've gained a fan today. There aren't many of us (well-adjusted and level-headed individuals, that is) left, it seems.
Someone else did the math on this already, it's farther up in the discussion but not difficult to find. The actual cost of UBI would be roughly what we currently funnel into existing welfare programs. Yes, we can afford that; we're already affording it. More to the point, we'd only be paying people not to work for a relatively short time; it wouldn't take long for those of us who are properly motivated (like myself) to affect change such that machines do all of our labor and all that's left is coming up with ideas and teaching the machines how to perform the actions required to carry out those ideas. In short, money would become irrelevant shortly after any sort of actually livable UBI were enacted.
Feel free not to answer, as I feel I may be prying, but transexual or simply transvestite?
He may not have realised from behind what he was taking hold of..
Sorry, I laughed at this. Not because he assaulted you, but because the end result was likely something he did not want. I always find it amusing when criminals get a "surprise".
I almost feel like, if there were more people like you in the world, there would be less rape. Sort of how violent crime drops in areas where it's easier to get a CCW because the criminals quickly learn that their victim is more likely to have a gun.
Uhm... These were not third-party "hearsay" anecdotes. I recounted personal experiences and I'm a sexist thug? Or am I a sexist thug simply because I'm male? Seems a bit sexist to me, personally, and butting in to make the claim seems somewhat thuggish on your part.
Let me guess, it's acceptable for you to talk about your rape? Only when it's a man doing the talking does it become unacceptable. As I said to dbill, thank you for illustrating the point I, and the post I was replying to, was trying to make.
I'm gonna cut through the crap and get right to the point. Just imagine what the brightest and the best among us could accomplish if we didn't have to work to keep a roof over our heads and food on our tables. Yes, some of the brightest and best are poor and most are working-class, nearly all of us must work to survive, thereby taking away from the good we could be doing for society as a whole.
Would many (maybe even most) members of the general populace simply choose to not work? Yes, it is quite likely they would. There would still be a net benefit, though, to letting those of us who have vision and drive to improve this world concentrate on doing just that. The change I could bring about, single-handedly, if I could pour more effort into affecting that change, rather than spending 60+hr/wk working to pay rent and buy food... multiply that by millions, or, hell, even thousands, and we're all better off for it.
Huh, yeah, I didn't think of that as something the typical user would do. Let's take a look through this thread and see if, maybe, I may have forgotten to state that we're discussing the typical user here.
unless you compiled it from source
Nearly 5 full days ago days ago and before you even came along.
My point is, effectively, unless you are one of the few who actually... compile everything themselves
4 and a half days ago, also before you came along.
if you build everything yourself
and
something that is only possible if you compile them yourself
Both just over 4 days ago, in response to your first and second comments in this thread.
Again: If you're not one of the few who compiles everything yourself, you have just as much access to the actual source your binaries are compiled from as someone using closed source software.
Nearly 4 days ago, in response to your third comment in this thread.
No, not at all if you're part of the 99.95% of FOSS users who don't compile themselves
3 and a half days ago, in response to your fourth comment in this thread.
I, however, am talking about the 99.95% of users who do not compile their own binaries and, therefore, must trust binaries provided by others.
An hour later, in response to your fifth comment in this thread. I didn't repeat it for a while after that because I figured you must have gotten the point by then. Clearly, I was wrong, so...
But, we were discussing the actions and intents of the majority of users, not the handful of security researchers who might do that, and that is what makes the line of discussion you introduced highly irrelevant.
That was clarified more than 14 hours before your post and repeated (quoted) in bold and hour and a half later.
Back on topic; Of course, it stands to reason that a user who doesn't compile their own binaries also does not have a decompiler, so it follows that we can ignore decompilers when discussing those users.
Is there another option that a typical user might conceivably try? I can think of literally dozens of different things I can do with a binary (and I'm not trying too hard to think of them) but, then, I'm not the typical user. Can you really only think of 3 (and only one of which a typical user is likely to do) is very telling.
I meant to tap "Continue Editing", finger slipped. I added the bit about undermining the victim after I wrote the rest of the post; "the latter" actually refers to girls dressing a certain way.
Given that you've gotten it from both genders, can you clarify whatheryou are male or female? It will help tov highlight the point.
All of these things are bad. They're bad no matter who they happen to, and anyone who doesn't see that has some severe mental issues. I would never say thlse people deserve to share in these experiences but, were I the kind to suggest someone go and get raped, well, I'd suggest it to anyone who claims rape isn't serious, or that it can't happen to a man, or that a girl shouldn't dress a certain way, or anything else that undermines any victim. The latter because damn, I like looking at the girls that dress for attention; though I think most of us can agree they shouldn't dress that way and walk through certain parts of town alone after dark (though how she's dressed is likely to be the least significant factor at that point) simy out of caution. Should a rapist ever rape? No, but they have, they do, and they will so, as long as there are precautions that can be taken, they should be; unfortunately, some of us (myself included) learn this the hard way, while others never figure it out. That's not victim-blaming, the rapist simply should not rape but, knowing the rapist will rape, we can all take steps to make sure they don't rape us. Maybe, when we all do that, all they'll have left to rape is each other and, if anyone desreves rape (and I don't mean to imply that anyone does), its a rapist.
So, the implication is that the above is a work of fiction? Thank you for illustrating the point I, and the post I was replying to, was trying to make.
In this very post, you are giving up on coming up with more uses
I quoted posts as far back as 38 hours ago where I'd given up on that. So, no, I'm not giving up just now, I gave up over a day and a half ago because it isn't relevant to the discussion in the first place. I even said as much 13 hours ago:
You fail to see the relevance (or lack thereof) of many things, my friend. Perhaps that is why we don't seem to understand each other? For example, that an executable file is executable is irrelevant if you do not intend to execute it. However, if you do intend to execute it, your willingness to trust it is always relevant, regardless of its purpose; you must be willing to trust that it does not contain malicious code. As with every truth, there are exceptions, such as when you are executing a binary in a sandbox to, just as an example, determine what it does. But, we were discussing the actions and intents of the majority of users, not the handful of security researchers who might do that, and that is what makes the line of discussion you introduced highly irrelevant.
How much time do you expect I'm willing to spend on irrelevant things? I've only bothered with you for as long as I have because tearing apart the barrage of logical fallacies you keep throwing my way helps keep my wit sharp for the arguments that actually matter.
and when you did it last time and I told you about one - you say it was obvious.
Because it was obvious. In fact, it was so obvious that I questioned why one should choose an executable file for testing, over any other available file. To a viable encryption algorithm, data is data; it'll encrypt whatever you feed it. If your encryption software is designed to encrypt files then, yes, it is obvious that it can encrypt executable files, because, well, they're files!
How about you decide one way - either it is obvious, or you don't know.
It can't be both.
What has been discussed thus far has been obvious. It is obvious that one use of an executable file is, well, executing it, and it is obvious that another use is testing encryption algorithms, as you could do with any file. Both of those are obvious; but it does not follow that any other uses would be obvious.
For example, an obvious use of a hammer is to pound nails into things. Another obvious use is to silence an internet troll by bashing their skull in. An example of a non-obvious use for a hammer would be rotating a large flathead screw. Of course, the applicability of this example depends on the type of hammer; a claw hammer would apply in this instance. A flathead screw with a sufficiently wide slot can be turned by inserting one of the tines of the claw end of the hammer and rotating the head. Even to most construction professionals this is not obvious, because it is fo far removed from the typical mode of use of the tool that most people would never even consider it.
Do you see how some uses may be obvious while others may not?
Another example: it is obvious you're a bumbling idiot of a troll, but that doesn't really tell me much else about you. Other things I know about you were only made obvious through some (very simple, mind you) research. But, there are still a great many things about you that are not obvious from the perspective I currently have.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
And you've still yet to keep your word. Adjust my perspective, make it obvious.
Definitely the thug's fault, but common sense should tell you these people are out there and, if you do leave your home, you're going to encounter them eventually. Also, I suppose it depends which concert; I wouldn't expect something like this at, for example, a Nickelback concert, but it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if it happened at a GWAR show.
It's called situational awareness and a surprising percentage of the populace completely lacks it.
Likewise, it is up to the legal system in a given jurisdiction whether or not to consider another jurisdiction's ruling, if presented. Yes, that means a judge in Russia or China can consider a California judge's decision, should it be presented. Are they required to? No, and it's not even likely they would; but they could.
You mean who pointed out something obvious like an executable file, being a file, could be used to test encryption? Well, yes, you did tell me, but that does not mean I didn't already know. Everything you've supposedly "taught" me here fails the test of obviousness.
1 + 1 = 2, by the way; don't forget who told you that.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
Well, I've done that no less than 6 times now. Good to see you're a man of your word.
It's truly unfortunate and sad but actually there are a whole lot more false rape reports than you might think.
This. I've had 3 women accuse me of rape, and one accuse me of sexual harassment, in my lifetime. Two of the rape accusations came from women I never even touched (one of whom I'd never met in person) and the other from a woman who made the claim after her boyfriend (who i didn't know about) found out about us; I had video of the supposed incident, including her turning on the camera. Luckily for me, all of those were dropped quickly without police involvement when I pointed out the evidence I had that they were all lying.
I didn't get so lucky with the harassment accusation, which happened back in high school, though. I was called into the office, shown the list of things she claimed I had said to her and admitted that all of those things had been said... by her, not by me. I was suspended pending investigation and possible expulsion and criminal prosecution; thankfully, the police insisted on written statements from students she claimed would have heard the things on the list being said. Most of the people she named as witnesses were her friends, many of which were none too fond of me, so I was a bit worried about the outcome; in the end, though, every single one of them told the truth and she ended up getting expelled. Sad, really, since her and I were (or, so I thought) friends until I turned her down when she asked me to a school dance, as I already had a date.
Then, there was the girl I dated who drugged and raped me. I would have been more than willing but, apparently, it was a fetish of hers. Of course, being male, it didn't matter that I tried to report it. The police simply told me that, next time, I should avoid the drugs. Well, no shit! I didn't put them in my own drink.
Likewise women engage in domestic violence more often than men do
I'm not entirely sure how true that is, but here's an anecdote to back it up.
A girl I dated in the early 00's was the abusive type. She was sweet and caring until she convinced me to move in with her, then the games began. Fortunately, I'm capable of defending myself and know better than to fight back. I could tell you some stories about this one, but I'll fast-forward to the meaty bits. What got me to leave her was when she came at me with a knife; I got the knife away from her and was walking back to the kitchen to put it away when she reached around me and grabbed the blade. She cut two fingers down to the bone and said something along the lines of "if I'm not getting you, the police will". I'm so thankful for attentive neighbors who met the police outside and informed them of what actually went down before they got to my door after she called them (after I drove her to the ER, if course). They came in and asked if I was alright, I told them I was, then they asked if I wanted to press charges. I declined, but did ask that they file a detailed incident report as I would be moving out and filing for a restraining order, ex parte. Of course, my request for a restraining order was denied by two different judges (I appealed the first); the second even went so far as to say that, since I'm a man, I should be able to defend myself without giving my ex a criminal background.
It is a poor student that criticizes free education
Well then, I guess it's fortunate that I'm not being educated.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
So, none of these counted?
If I'm missing something, how about you educate rather than denigrate?
Want to change that? State your point.
Why don't you tell me? Did we stumble across one of your homework questions?
Clearly I do not know the answer. I'm fairly certain you do not, either, or you'd have spoken up by now.
Why don't you simply state the supposed 3rd reason to use a binary to test encryption? Because, while you denigrate me for not being able to produce one, you yourself don't have a 3rd reason.
As an aside, did the Fedora 17 mouse driver ever get fixed so you can use that mouse in Windows? Oops! Yup, I saw that! Fedora 14 and 17 both use the mouse drivers bundled with X11 for PS/2 and USB mice and those drivers didn't undergo any notable changes between those releases, your mouse simply coincidentally failed at the same time you were upgrading your OS; you even acknowledged that the fault was with the mouse, yet you still stated that Fedora's driver must have an issue. Bravo.
It's probably for the best you only posted 2 blog entries, by the way. Getting comma, backslash, and single/double quotes working in your more recent script example would be a trivial one-line modification to your script. I'm sure you're intelligent enough that you've figured it out by now, maybe even implemented it; perhaps you should update the post?
Also, you speak English as a second language and haven't quite locked down the grammar, yet you're complaining about how I communicate? It's called proper English grammar, it differs somewhat from Hindi grammar, and I'm using it. Not my fault you never learned it. That said, your English is good enough that I'm able to understand you quite clearly (most of the time; sometimes you really garb it up and it takes a few read-throughs to figure out what you're trying to say), but clearly not good enough for you to consistently understand a native English speaker.
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Clearly, you didn't read the same thing I did. Also, re: Obamacare, it was a good plan before Congress gutted it; Obama should never have signed it in the state in which it was returned to him. But, the state of the plan when it was signed was the fault of Congress, a Congress who knew Obama would sign it regardless.
So, if a woman claims rape it must be true because all men are rapists, but if a man claims it it must be a lie because all rapists are men? What about when a woman claims rape and there are no witnesses? How are those claims any more valid than the Alien Abduction Victims Speak herd?
In the same way as mine.
Actually, in the case of my abusive ex, even less valid as there were witnesses. Try actually reading my post, you might learn something. The police report is a matter of public record, along with witness statements; so is the restraining order paperwork. Macomb County, MI. Last name should be obvious if you google around a bit.
So, if you're going to say that a woman's claim of rape is valid with no witnesses, so is a man's, and definitely so is my witness-backed and documented claim of domestic abuse.
It seems as though you'll only accept news reports as evidence; well, that's convenient for you since men falling victim to these things doesn't get reported on.
Here's some food for thought, though: there are two typical reasons for something to not be reported in the news; it didn't happen, or it happens so often it's no longer newsworthy. I'm here to tell you it happens, as it's happened to me. Must not be newsworthy, then, which means...
Have you ever been raped? Been falsely accused of rape? Been victim of domestic abuse? I can tell, from the tone of your posts on the subject, no, you have not. You'd take it a bit more seriously if you had.
Making light of rape and domestic abuse dilutes the suffering of all victims, men and women alike. Clearly, you don't care about men, so I'll appeal to the other half: don't dilute the suffering of women. It's a really shitty thing to do and it makes you a shitty person, no better than rapists or abusers.
Be better than a rapist or an abuser. Don't be a shitty person.
If you're working 60+ hrs/week just o pay rent and buy food, then chances are you do not possess the necessary skills, intelligence and drive to single-handedly effect any change.
Or I live in the SF Bay area.
For example, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak sold some of their possessions (such as Wozniak's HP scientific calculator and Jobs' Volkswagen van), raised $1,300, used the money to buy materials and assembled the first Apple CPU boards in Jobs' bedroom and garage. After making their first sale, they quit their jobs and struggled through their startup phase.
That's a completely different kind of change than I'm referring to. That was a change toward their own financial independence, not toward improving quality of life for humanity as a whole. See the distinction? You're also ignoring that neither Jobs nor Woz were what anyone would consider poor; they had posessions of value which they could sell to raise money in the first place.
You either can't get a better-paying job or are living above your means, neither of which bodes well for a future world-changer.
I do quite well for myself; the fact is that I work 60+ to keep my client happy and assist them in the changes they are affecting; I could work many fewer hours, earn considerably less, and still be doing just fine, but I'd be doing so for someone else. Your assumptions lead to a false premise, be careful with that.
Yeah, that was kind of my point.
Transvetites get sexual pleasure from the clothes they're wearing - hence transvestites are a subset of people that cross-dress
Huh. I thought transvestite and cross-dresser were synonyms and there was a different term (which I didn't take the time to learn because I never really cared to single those people out) for cross-dressing for sexual pleasure. Thanks for educating me on that point.
I'm not always level headed
What I've read so far of your posting history seems to disagree. But, then, nobody is always anything; I'm sure you're a bit different in real life than on the internet. We all are.
You rapidly start to just kind of shrug and get one with life.
I live in the San Francisco Bay area. I would imagine it's difficult to not be accepting of others here; I wouldn't know for certain as I've never tried. People are people (are people) and people will do what people will do. I'm not entirely sure why people get so bent out of shape over things that don't affect them (like someone with a penis wearing a skirt, for example -- though I suppose it certainly had an effect on the guy who tried to grope you), but that's the world we live in. If it wasn't, perhaps Christians and Muslims could finally get along and stop bombing each other, unwanted children wouldn't be born into lives of suffering, and war would once again almost make sense.
On that latter example, I mean to say that a war over wanting some country's oil reserves or land makes a lot more sense than a war over belief systems held by only a subset of the warring countries' respective populations. Not that either really make sense, when oil reserves and such can be bartered and traded for and more land simply means more work to govern. But, I digress; it seems that some people simply have too much time on their hands, and not enough sense, which leads to much of what we see today.
I think it's fair to say, at least when you wear women's clothing, you are a transvestite. After all, that is the definition of the term. That said, I'm not here to open that particular can of worms and you're more than welcome to your own interpretation; after all it is your gender identity. Thank you for being willing to discuss it and not getting angry with me for not automatically getting it right, as so many other members of the (for my vocabulary's lack of a better term; please feel free to correct that) "gender-bending" population would have done.
Something about your posts in this thread gave me the impression that you are a well-adjusted and level-headed individual, which lead me to read through some of your posting history which, of course, confirmed that suspicion. I have to admit I'm still reading, it seems you've gained a fan today. There aren't many of us (well-adjusted and level-headed individuals, that is) left, it seems.
Someone else did the math on this already, it's farther up in the discussion but not difficult to find. The actual cost of UBI would be roughly what we currently funnel into existing welfare programs. Yes, we can afford that; we're already affording it. More to the point, we'd only be paying people not to work for a relatively short time; it wouldn't take long for those of us who are properly motivated (like myself) to affect change such that machines do all of our labor and all that's left is coming up with ideas and teaching the machines how to perform the actions required to carry out those ideas. In short, money would become irrelevant shortly after any sort of actually livable UBI were enacted.
I'm also saying that simply being unlucky does not make you statistically representative.
Oh? Then I'm implying you forgot what you wrote. Let me remind:
However, statistics aren't made by finding only the unluckiest people
Mostly male
Feel free not to answer, as I feel I may be prying, but transexual or simply transvestite?
He may not have realised from behind what he was taking hold of..
Sorry, I laughed at this. Not because he assaulted you, but because the end result was likely something he did not want. I always find it amusing when criminals get a "surprise".
I almost feel like, if there were more people like you in the world, there would be less rape. Sort of how violent crime drops in areas where it's easier to get a CCW because the criminals quickly learn that their victim is more likely to have a gun.
Uhm... These were not third-party "hearsay" anecdotes. I recounted personal experiences and I'm a sexist thug? Or am I a sexist thug simply because I'm male? Seems a bit sexist to me, personally, and butting in to make the claim seems somewhat thuggish on your part.
Let me guess, it's acceptable for you to talk about your rape? Only when it's a man doing the talking does it become unacceptable. As I said to dbill, thank you for illustrating the point I, and the post I was replying to, was trying to make.
I'm gonna cut through the crap and get right to the point. Just imagine what the brightest and the best among us could accomplish if we didn't have to work to keep a roof over our heads and food on our tables. Yes, some of the brightest and best are poor and most are working-class, nearly all of us must work to survive, thereby taking away from the good we could be doing for society as a whole.
Would many (maybe even most) members of the general populace simply choose to not work? Yes, it is quite likely they would. There would still be a net benefit, though, to letting those of us who have vision and drive to improve this world concentrate on doing just that. The change I could bring about, single-handedly, if I could pour more effort into affecting that change, rather than spending 60+hr/wk working to pay rent and buy food... multiply that by millions, or, hell, even thousands, and we're all better off for it.
Precisely.
Thanks for implying I'm a special snowflake, but I assure you I am not.
unless you compiled it from source
Nearly 5 full days ago days ago and before you even came along.
My point is, effectively, unless you are one of the few who actually ... compile everything themselves
4 and a half days ago, also before you came along.
if you build everything yourself
and
something that is only possible if you compile them yourself
Both just over 4 days ago, in response to your first and second comments in this thread.
Again: If you're not one of the few who compiles everything yourself, you have just as much access to the actual source your binaries are compiled from as someone using closed source software.
Nearly 4 days ago, in response to your third comment in this thread.
No, not at all if you're part of the 99.95% of FOSS users who don't compile themselves
3 and a half days ago, in response to your fourth comment in this thread.
I, however, am talking about the 99.95% of users who do not compile their own binaries and, therefore, must trust binaries provided by others.
An hour later, in response to your fifth comment in this thread. I didn't repeat it for a while after that because I figured you must have gotten the point by then. Clearly, I was wrong, so...
But, we were discussing the actions and intents of the majority of users, not the handful of security researchers who might do that, and that is what makes the line of discussion you introduced highly irrelevant.
That was clarified more than 14 hours before your post and repeated (quoted) in bold and hour and a half later.
Back on topic; Of course, it stands to reason that a user who doesn't compile their own binaries also does not have a decompiler, so it follows that we can ignore decompilers when discussing those users.
Is there another option that a typical user might conceivably try? I can think of literally dozens of different things I can do with a binary (and I'm not trying too hard to think of them) but, then, I'm not the typical user. Can you really only think of 3 (and only one of which a typical user is likely to do) is very telling.
I meant to tap "Continue Editing", finger slipped. I added the bit about undermining the victim after I wrote the rest of the post; "the latter" actually refers to girls dressing a certain way.
Given that you've gotten it from both genders, can you clarify whatheryou are male or female? It will help tov highlight the point.
All of these things are bad. They're bad no matter who they happen to, and anyone who doesn't see that has some severe mental issues. I would never say thlse people deserve to share in these experiences but, were I the kind to suggest someone go and get raped, well, I'd suggest it to anyone who claims rape isn't serious, or that it can't happen to a man, or that a girl shouldn't dress a certain way, or anything else that undermines any victim. The latter because damn, I like looking at the girls that dress for attention; though I think most of us can agree they shouldn't dress that way and walk through certain parts of town alone after dark (though how she's dressed is likely to be the least significant factor at that point) simy out of caution. Should a rapist ever rape? No, but they have, they do, and they will so, as long as there are precautions that can be taken, they should be; unfortunately, some of us (myself included) learn this the hard way, while others never figure it out. That's not victim-blaming, the rapist simply should not rape but, knowing the rapist will rape, we can all take steps to make sure they don't rape us. Maybe, when we all do that, all they'll have left to rape is each other and, if anyone desreves rape (and I don't mean to imply that anyone does), its a rapist.
So, the implication is that the above is a work of fiction? Thank you for illustrating the point I, and the post I was replying to, was trying to make.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
Until you do, we're seriously done here.
Until you hold up your end, I should say we are [done].
I meant it. It's so tempting to counter, though, because you just made this one soooooo easy, but no. We're done here.
In this very post, you are giving up on coming up with more uses
I quoted posts as far back as 38 hours ago where I'd given up on that. So, no, I'm not giving up just now, I gave up over a day and a half ago because it isn't relevant to the discussion in the first place. I even said as much 13 hours ago:
You fail to see the relevance (or lack thereof) of many things, my friend. Perhaps that is why we don't seem to understand each other? For example, that an executable file is executable is irrelevant if you do not intend to execute it. However, if you do intend to execute it, your willingness to trust it is always relevant, regardless of its purpose; you must be willing to trust that it does not contain malicious code. As with every truth, there are exceptions, such as when you are executing a binary in a sandbox to, just as an example, determine what it does. But, we were discussing the actions and intents of the majority of users, not the handful of security researchers who might do that, and that is what makes the line of discussion you introduced highly irrelevant.
How much time do you expect I'm willing to spend on irrelevant things? I've only bothered with you for as long as I have because tearing apart the barrage of logical fallacies you keep throwing my way helps keep my wit sharp for the arguments that actually matter.
and when you did it last time and I told you about one - you say it was obvious.
Because it was obvious. In fact, it was so obvious that I questioned why one should choose an executable file for testing, over any other available file. To a viable encryption algorithm, data is data; it'll encrypt whatever you feed it. If your encryption software is designed to encrypt files then, yes, it is obvious that it can encrypt executable files, because, well, they're files!
How about you decide one way - either it is obvious, or you don't know.
It can't be both.
What has been discussed thus far has been obvious. It is obvious that one use of an executable file is, well, executing it, and it is obvious that another use is testing encryption algorithms, as you could do with any file. Both of those are obvious; but it does not follow that any other uses would be obvious.
For example, an obvious use of a hammer is to pound nails into things. Another obvious use is to silence an internet troll by bashing their skull in. An example of a non-obvious use for a hammer would be rotating a large flathead screw. Of course, the applicability of this example depends on the type of hammer; a claw hammer would apply in this instance. A flathead screw with a sufficiently wide slot can be turned by inserting one of the tines of the claw end of the hammer and rotating the head. Even to most construction professionals this is not obvious, because it is fo far removed from the typical mode of use of the tool that most people would never even consider it.
Do you see how some uses may be obvious while others may not?
Another example: it is obvious you're a bumbling idiot of a troll, but that doesn't really tell me much else about you. Other things I know about you were only made obvious through some (very simple, mind you) research. But, there are still a great many things about you that are not obvious from the perspective I currently have.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
And you've still yet to keep your word. Adjust my perspective, make it obvious.
We are not done yet.
Until you hold up your end, I should say we are.
Definitely the thug's fault, but common sense should tell you these people are out there and, if you do leave your home, you're going to encounter them eventually. Also, I suppose it depends which concert; I wouldn't expect something like this at, for example, a Nickelback concert, but it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if it happened at a GWAR show.
It's called situational awareness and a surprising percentage of the populace completely lacks it.
Likewise, it is up to the legal system in a given jurisdiction whether or not to consider another jurisdiction's ruling, if presented. Yes, that means a judge in Russia or China can consider a California judge's decision, should it be presented. Are they required to? No, and it's not even likely they would; but they could.
1 + 1 = 2, by the way; don't forget who told you that.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
Well, I've done that no less than 6 times now. Good to see you're a man of your word.
It's truly unfortunate and sad but actually there are a whole lot more false rape reports than you might think.
This. I've had 3 women accuse me of rape, and one accuse me of sexual harassment, in my lifetime. Two of the rape accusations came from women I never even touched (one of whom I'd never met in person) and the other from a woman who made the claim after her boyfriend (who i didn't know about) found out about us; I had video of the supposed incident, including her turning on the camera. Luckily for me, all of those were dropped quickly without police involvement when I pointed out the evidence I had that they were all lying.
I didn't get so lucky with the harassment accusation, which happened back in high school, though. I was called into the office, shown the list of things she claimed I had said to her and admitted that all of those things had been said... by her, not by me. I was suspended pending investigation and possible expulsion and criminal prosecution; thankfully, the police insisted on written statements from students she claimed would have heard the things on the list being said. Most of the people she named as witnesses were her friends, many of which were none too fond of me, so I was a bit worried about the outcome; in the end, though, every single one of them told the truth and she ended up getting expelled. Sad, really, since her and I were (or, so I thought) friends until I turned her down when she asked me to a school dance, as I already had a date.
Then, there was the girl I dated who drugged and raped me. I would have been more than willing but, apparently, it was a fetish of hers. Of course, being male, it didn't matter that I tried to report it. The police simply told me that, next time, I should avoid the drugs. Well, no shit! I didn't put them in my own drink.
Likewise women engage in domestic violence more often than men do
I'm not entirely sure how true that is, but here's an anecdote to back it up.
A girl I dated in the early 00's was the abusive type. She was sweet and caring until she convinced me to move in with her, then the games began. Fortunately, I'm capable of defending myself and know better than to fight back. I could tell you some stories about this one, but I'll fast-forward to the meaty bits. What got me to leave her was when she came at me with a knife; I got the knife away from her and was walking back to the kitchen to put it away when she reached around me and grabbed the blade. She cut two fingers down to the bone and said something along the lines of "if I'm not getting you, the police will". I'm so thankful for attentive neighbors who met the police outside and informed them of what actually went down before they got to my door after she called them (after I drove her to the ER, if course). They came in and asked if I was alright, I told them I was, then they asked if I wanted to press charges. I declined, but did ask that they file a detailed incident report as I would be moving out and filing for a restraining order, ex parte. Of course, my request for a restraining order was denied by two different judges (I appealed the first); the second even went so far as to say that, since I'm a man, I should be able to defend myself without giving my ex a criminal background.
It is a poor student that criticizes free education
Well then, I guess it's fortunate that I'm not being educated.
Once you accept that you fail to see any more uses for supposedly executable files, I'll show you.
So, none of these counted?
If I'm missing something, how about you educate rather than denigrate?
Want to change that? State your point.
Why don't you tell me? Did we stumble across one of your homework questions?
Clearly I do not know the answer. I'm fairly certain you do not, either, or you'd have spoken up by now.
Why don't you simply state the supposed 3rd reason to use a binary to test encryption? Because, while you denigrate me for not being able to produce one, you yourself don't have a 3rd reason.
As an aside, did the Fedora 17 mouse driver ever get fixed so you can use that mouse in Windows? Oops! Yup, I saw that! Fedora 14 and 17 both use the mouse drivers bundled with X11 for PS/2 and USB mice and those drivers didn't undergo any notable changes between those releases, your mouse simply coincidentally failed at the same time you were upgrading your OS; you even acknowledged that the fault was with the mouse, yet you still stated that Fedora's driver must have an issue. Bravo.
It's probably for the best you only posted 2 blog entries, by the way. Getting comma, backslash, and single/double quotes working in your more recent script example would be a trivial one-line modification to your script. I'm sure you're intelligent enough that you've figured it out by now, maybe even implemented it; perhaps you should update the post?
Also, you speak English as a second language and haven't quite locked down the grammar, yet you're complaining about how I communicate? It's called proper English grammar, it differs somewhat from Hindi grammar, and I'm using it. Not my fault you never learned it. That said, your English is good enough that I'm able to understand you quite clearly (most of the time; sometimes you really garb it up and it takes a few read-throughs to figure out what you're trying to say), but clearly not good enough for you to consistently understand a native English speaker.