You can quit attempting to put words into my mouth,
Where have I done this?
I have no intention of falling for your strawmen.
What strawmen?
Android's abysmal adoption rate of new OS versions is well known.
I never argued this.
Marshmallow is and will be irrelevant for months until it's adoption rates become significant
I don't care about anyone else's devices, only my own. The adoption rate for Marshmallow is 100% for the devices I am concerned about. That's as significant as it gets.
given how frequent new & different attacks have been released for android over the past few years I have little confidence that marshmallow will bring significant change because any new bug is still no more likely to be patched by upgrading to a fixed version than present versions of Android have been.
That's getting a little closer to what I've been trying to get out of you. Since it seems you have no concrete information regarding what I actually care about, I suppose time will tell.
That someone with the experience you claim would be so apparently clueless as to ignore these points and to keep bringing up "but how's marshmallow" like it makes any difference just shows that you still haven't understood the problem.
No, I understand the problem quite well. There are a number of known vulnerabilities in versions of Android that I don't use, which makes it not my problem. I am asking about the version I do use, because those vulnerabilities are my problem.
My children are adults now.
Then you must be old enough to have acquired the wisdom to discern when you and the person you are conversing with are talking about two different things, from two different perspectives. Please apply that wisdom here, as I've pointed this out several times by now.
During their childhood they were often complimented on how well behaved they were for their ages
As as I.
but I've seen what bad parenting does.
We all have. It often leads to discussions like this.
Your lack of self-control and justification of how that is supposed to be normal in particular for an adult does not speak well for how you were raised.
I don't lack self-control, I simply have no tolerance for people like you who try to get by in indirect insults as if that's any better than calling someone a dumbass. As for the words you claim I am putting in your mouth, I can only assume you are referring to me saying the following:
Most small kids would not have waited for you to call them by the wrong name, take an insulting tone with them, insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged (head in the sand or up... where, exactly?), and refuse to address (acknowledge, hell, not even answer) their questions, before calling you a doo-doo head.
Well, I'm not sure how that's putting words in anyone's mouth. Here are the quotes detailing you doing each and every one of those things:
"by the wrong name": Androids are getting Powned left right & center due to their abysmal security & Bronsco thinks I'm talking about ad blockers?!?!
"take an insulting tone with them" and "insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged" are covered by the next two:
"head in the sand": Just how deep in the "sand" do you have your head stuck in?
"or up... where, exactly?": Oh, do keep your head up where it's been hiding
And, to that, I'll reiterate: Where, exactly? I'm sure your mother would be proud. As for your refusal to address my questions, well, I'm not going to quote our entire conversation; you can go back and read it yourself.
Thanks for highlighting that incorrect assumption. I didn't give you my full bio but, in addition to being a user, I am also a developer (apps and roms alike) and, in addition to Android, I also use iOS, Windows, several distros of Linux, a couple of BSDs, and my primary OS of choice is OSX. Hardly a fanboy.
Android bugs that in most cases will never be corrected until people replace their phones with new models so that their maker will be motivated enough to update them.
Are you implying that newer versions of Android aren't affected by the vulnerabilities you know of? That's what it sounds like; if that's the case, I don't know what we're arguing about. Older versions of iOS are vulnerable, too. Apple controls the upgrade path for iOS just like Google controls it for Nexus devices; if other manufacturers don't privide patches and OS updates, that's an other-manufacturer problem, not an Andriod problem.
To clarify my point, only Apple makes iOS devices, so we have no example of how 3rd party devices would receive updates. All that exists for this is conjecture. As a result, we can not legitimately compare the update process of iOS devices with the update process of non-Nexus Android devices and pin the results on Google. Likewise, we can not compare the security of iOS devices and non-Nexus Android devices and pin those results on Google, either.
And, as a user of a fully updated Nexus device (and several Apple devices including two iPads) thats, quite conveniently, all I care to discuss.
Again, I am not here to educate you & I have signed NDAs that prevent me from talking about them or just what problems they encountered in anything but the most general terms.
Then I guess it's good that I was asking a very general question, isn't it? I'll restate, in that context: By the way, how does Marshmallow hold up? That's pretty general; yes, it's about a specific version, but if your argument boils down to "all Android versions, combined, are less secure than the current version of iOS" I'm afraid my initial comment regarding the intelligence of your posterior appears to be correct.
It's a simple concept, really; when comparing a specific property of two or more things (in this case, security), you make those things as similar as possible, and you only compare those things. iOS: only distributed by Apple. Easy, only compare with Android on Nexus devices. Latest iOS? Only compare with latest Android. iOS in default configuration? Only compare with Android in default configuration. iOS fully locked down? Only compare with fully locked down Android.
Sure, this doesn't give you a broad picture of the landscape, for that you do have to compare all iOS versions and all Android versions currently in widespread use, in aggregate; that's not what we're talking about here, though. Here, we're talking about Nexus devices, which are updated by Google directly and, as a result, will mostly be running the latest version, much like iOS devices, so the comparison should be limited thusly.
I couldn't care less that you are unable to show more control than most small children.
You must not have kids (or friends with kids). Most small kids would not have waited for you to call them by the wrong name, take an insulting tone with them, insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged (head in the sand or up... where, exactly?), and refuse to address (acknowledge, hell, not even answer) their questions, before calling you a doo-doo head. I could have displayed a bit more restraint, but the name would have come out in this post anyway.
But when buying your product becomes a crapshoot, you have failed as a company. As somewhat of an Apple fan (despite what many here seem to think), it pains me to have to say, I think Apple has failed.
Except that there is no equivalency between two otherwise-identical mobile devices, one of which runs for 25hr on a charge and the other for 20hr (for example) due do a change in components.
Have you ever read an Apple license agreement? They do, they just don't let you see it like Google does. And why would I attack Apple? I have 2 MacBook Pros and an iPad Air, and my wife has a MacBook Pro, iPhone 6+ and iPad Air 2. Why does everyone think I'm anti-Apple? I'm not, I'm just a realist who knows how to actually read what is presented to him (e.g. Apple EULAs) and research what is not (e.g. how to disable Google features).
they'd kept a log of every single search I'd done for at least 2 years
And you can delete that log easily.
complex UIs for turning off some features
If a series of checkboxes is too complex for you, perhaps Google is a bit beyond your comprehension. It's probably for the best that you stopped using their services.
And who said anything about a constant stream being shared with Google? Their system requiring the information does not mean their system sends any of it back to them; and even if it does, Google has always been good about allowing users to opt out of sharing any data not required for the service being provided. You've clearly never looked at Google account settings, or you'd know this.
That's not selling search results, that's selling API access to be able to list available room/flight and rate data, there's a difference. They can't simply browse this data because nobody provides it in a browseable (e.g. without entering an infinite combination of values into a set of fields) format, mostly as a result of the technical impossibility of doing so. Providing an API for hotels and airlines to enter this data themselves, on the other hand, that's perfectly possible. They don't even charge for that access (beyond an initial setup, during which they verify identities and whatnot), so there's essentially no barrier to entry, though they do take a cut of any referrals, but that's standard practice.
If it's something more nefarious than that, where are the DOJ and FTC investigations and where is the EFF outcry?
It's not like iOS was just hit with ad-blasiting malware or anything. By the way, how does Marshmallow hold up? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, having just updated, but I'm not expecting any more from you than geneal puffery.
Also, is it the platform or the retarded skins and apps every manufacturer wants to bake into their distributions that cause most of the issues? I aske because I'm aware of a number of issues caused by Touch-Wiz and Sense. These issues don't exist for Nexus devices.
I'd apologize for calling you a dumbass but I'm still not sure if you were purposefully ignoring my admission that there are vulnerabilities in Android (just like every platform) or if you were just too dumb do see it with out having it pointed out to you. You talk a big game but can't be arsed to back it up, though, so I'm still leaning toward the latter; and I don't expect that to change for my current round of questions, either.
How much is Tim Cook paying you to soread his FUD now that iOS vulnerabilities are making a more public appearance?
No, and that's not how it would work, either. At worst, they'd have a couple sponsored results, which would be labeled as such, jus like current Google Maps searches. More to the point, though, nowhere was it ever said that this data would be streamed back to Google on a continuous basis; Google only need know my locatuon and that I need a mechanic and they're pretty good about letting you limit what they collect (have you ever actually looked at Google account settings in-depth?) so I'd be surprised if the data did get shared with Google on a continual basis without an obvious option to turn that sharing off.
Besides, if you don't like it, don't use it; personally, as stated in my previous post, I would like my infotainment system to have access to as much data as possible about the state of my vehicle, provided it allows me access to that data as well. An android-based solution would be ideal, in my eyes, as I already use Torque for that.
I know it might surprise you, but most people are fine with sharing a bit of data if they get something useful in exchange. Even moreso when the data being shared is relevant to the product or service being received.
NSA does data collection and filtering for manual review (e.g. by a human) with a computer. Google does data collection and filtering for automated ad delivery (e.g. by a computer) with a computer. Subtle difference, I know.
Yeah, sure, I can do that while I'm calling for a tow. Wait, no. Well, I can, but not as conveniently as having my car do it for me. Plus, I can do cool stuff with that data, but I have to be able to get at it, first. If my infotainment system can do it, I don't need to find somewhere to mount another piece of hardware to do it (which I've done in every car I've owned since I started buying 1996 and newer, when OBD-II became the standard).
No, because they're open about what they're doing (tracking and showing ads) and why they're doing it (to show relevant ads that i'll find less annoying). It's not like they have some guy sitting there tracking my every move; now that might be creepy, but a computer? Pfft.
This. Honestly, I'd like to see a device-agnostic bluetooth connection for the phone and feed the infotainment system as much data as possible. The more data is has access to, the more fun (and often useful) stuff it can let me do. And isn't driving a 911 supposed to be about having fun?
You know, I maintain my vehicles and have never had one break down on the road, so I don't exactly know where the nearest mechanic is everywhere I drive. On the off chance that I should break down on the side of the road, sans tools and sans parts, on a trip so I'm not near my garage, it would be VERY useful for my car to automatically tell me where the nearest mechanic is; even better if it gave me a list with ratings and reviews, so I could call around while waiting for a tow and find one that could get me in ASAP, so I can get back on the road quicker. Beyond that, if they want to advertise things to me that I'm not actually interested in, well, my eyeballs are capable of being averted. Is there too much advertising, in general? Yes. But, Google is trying to make advertising more effective, therefore allowing advertisers to reduce the number of ads they (feel they) must show us to get the desired effect; we should be supporting them in this goal, as it will ultimately result in less advertising. The ideal would be no advertising, but you know as well as I do that we'll never get all those demons stuffed back into Pandora's box.
No. What we have a problem with re: advertising and data mining is when it is done in excess and to the detriment of the user, such as serving malware alongside ads or a blog with multiple ad providers and tracking services. Even worse when we pay for something and get ads and tracking. Many, if not most, of us are perfectly willing to trade some of our personal data and eyeball time for useful services; and most who fall into that category seem to agree that Google has struck a reasonable balance. Slashdot, on the other hand... AdBlock engaged.
Okay, that's an explanation I can get behind, thanks for the info. Can you tag in on the other branch of this thread and correct the misconceptions and high-school-health-class-level oversimplifications being spouted there?
Always happy to learn something new, thanks again!
You ever think what you learn in high school might be simplified somewhat? What's the point of learning anything beyond that? How do you think red cells carry O2 and CO2? They aren't little gas canisters, they carry it as part of another molecule.
Look beyond gradeschool textbooks and learn something. Please, don't just take my word for it (or, as in this case, dismiss the information because it disagrees with the oversimplification your learned in health class), do some research for yourself and realize that my understanding isn't incorrect, yours is incomplete.
Of course I burp, loud and proud most of the time even. That's how the dissolved CO2 escapes. The reacted CO2, on the other hand... You know, the carbonic acid... You don't just belch that out. And your body has a disposal method fornit that doesn't involve piss or shit, so it traverses the large intestine and enters the blood stream.
It doesn't matter much if you're just sitting on the couch, you'll exhale it as if nothing happened. But, if you're active at all, you'll tire or run out of breath quicker. Carbonated drinks are a real stamina killer and I avoid them for at least a few hours before any sort of strenuous activity. It took me years to realize that they were the cause of my diminishing stamina and, even after that, I still can't give them up entirely.
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You can quit attempting to put words into my mouth,
Where have I done this?
I have no intention of falling for your strawmen.
What strawmen?
Android's abysmal adoption rate of new OS versions is well known.
I never argued this.
Marshmallow is and will be irrelevant for months until it's adoption rates become significant
I don't care about anyone else's devices, only my own. The adoption rate for Marshmallow is 100% for the devices I am concerned about. That's as significant as it gets.
given how frequent new & different attacks have been released for android over the past few years I have little confidence that marshmallow will bring significant change because any new bug is still no more likely to be patched by upgrading to a fixed version than present versions of Android have been.
That's getting a little closer to what I've been trying to get out of you. Since it seems you have no concrete information regarding what I actually care about, I suppose time will tell.
That someone with the experience you claim would be so apparently clueless as to ignore these points and to keep bringing up "but how's marshmallow" like it makes any difference just shows that you still haven't understood the problem.
No, I understand the problem quite well. There are a number of known vulnerabilities in versions of Android that I don't use, which makes it not my problem. I am asking about the version I do use, because those vulnerabilities are my problem.
My children are adults now.
Then you must be old enough to have acquired the wisdom to discern when you and the person you are conversing with are talking about two different things, from two different perspectives. Please apply that wisdom here, as I've pointed this out several times by now.
During their childhood they were often complimented on how well behaved they were for their ages
As as I.
but I've seen what bad parenting does.
We all have. It often leads to discussions like this.
Your lack of self-control and justification of how that is supposed to be normal in particular for an adult does not speak well for how you were raised.
I don't lack self-control, I simply have no tolerance for people like you who try to get by in indirect insults as if that's any better than calling someone a dumbass. As for the words you claim I am putting in your mouth, I can only assume you are referring to me saying the following:
Most small kids would not have waited for you to call them by the wrong name, take an insulting tone with them, insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged (head in the sand or up... where, exactly?), and refuse to address (acknowledge, hell, not even answer) their questions, before calling you a doo-doo head.
Well, I'm not sure how that's putting words in anyone's mouth. Here are the quotes detailing you doing each and every one of those things:
"by the wrong name": Androids are getting Powned left right & center due to their abysmal security & Bronsco thinks I'm talking about ad blockers?!?!
"take an insulting tone with them" and "insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged" are covered by the next two:
"head in the sand": Just how deep in the "sand" do you have your head stuck in?
"or up... where, exactly?": Oh, do keep your head up where it's been hiding
And, to that, I'll reiterate: Where, exactly? I'm sure your mother would be proud. As for your refusal to address my questions, well, I'm not going to quote our entire conversation; you can go back and read it yourself.
I know you're joking but... Git uses SHA1 to generate commit hashes, not for encryption. Just so nobody gets confused reading your post.
You're an android user
Thanks for highlighting that incorrect assumption. I didn't give you my full bio but, in addition to being a user, I am also a developer (apps and roms alike) and, in addition to Android, I also use iOS, Windows, several distros of Linux, a couple of BSDs, and my primary OS of choice is OSX. Hardly a fanboy.
Android bugs that in most cases will never be corrected until people replace their phones with new models so that their maker will be motivated enough to update them.
Are you implying that newer versions of Android aren't affected by the vulnerabilities you know of? That's what it sounds like; if that's the case, I don't know what we're arguing about. Older versions of iOS are vulnerable, too. Apple controls the upgrade path for iOS just like Google controls it for Nexus devices; if other manufacturers don't privide patches and OS updates, that's an other-manufacturer problem, not an Andriod problem.
To clarify my point, only Apple makes iOS devices, so we have no example of how 3rd party devices would receive updates. All that exists for this is conjecture. As a result, we can not legitimately compare the update process of iOS devices with the update process of non-Nexus Android devices and pin the results on Google. Likewise, we can not compare the security of iOS devices and non-Nexus Android devices and pin those results on Google, either.
And, as a user of a fully updated Nexus device (and several Apple devices including two iPads) thats, quite conveniently, all I care to discuss.
Again, I am not here to educate you & I have signed NDAs that prevent me from talking about them or just what problems they encountered in anything but the most general terms.
Then I guess it's good that I was asking a very general question, isn't it? I'll restate, in that context: By the way, how does Marshmallow hold up? That's pretty general; yes, it's about a specific version, but if your argument boils down to "all Android versions, combined, are less secure than the current version of iOS" I'm afraid my initial comment regarding the intelligence of your posterior appears to be correct.
It's a simple concept, really; when comparing a specific property of two or more things (in this case, security), you make those things as similar as possible, and you only compare those things. iOS: only distributed by Apple. Easy, only compare with Android on Nexus devices. Latest iOS? Only compare with latest Android. iOS in default configuration? Only compare with Android in default configuration. iOS fully locked down? Only compare with fully locked down Android.
Sure, this doesn't give you a broad picture of the landscape, for that you do have to compare all iOS versions and all Android versions currently in widespread use, in aggregate; that's not what we're talking about here, though. Here, we're talking about Nexus devices, which are updated by Google directly and, as a result, will mostly be running the latest version, much like iOS devices, so the comparison should be limited thusly.
I couldn't care less that you are unable to show more control than most small children.
You must not have kids (or friends with kids). Most small kids would not have waited for you to call them by the wrong name, take an insulting tone with them, insinuate that they're in denial about something they've already openly acknowledged (head in the sand or up... where, exactly?), and refuse to address (acknowledge, hell, not even answer) their questions, before calling you a doo-doo head. I could have displayed a bit more restraint, but the name would have come out in this post anyway.
But when buying your product becomes a crapshoot, you have failed as a company. As somewhat of an Apple fan (despite what many here seem to think), it pains me to have to say, I think Apple has failed.
Except that there is no equivalency between two otherwise-identical mobile devices, one of which runs for 25hr on a charge and the other for 20hr (for example) due do a change in components.
Nesting fail......... I'm sure you'll sort it out, though.
First you have to know about it. Most people they are collecting data on don't know. Then you have ot find out how to turn it off.
Most people who don't know don't care; conversely, most who do care do know. As for finding out how to turn it off... Google it? It ain't hard.
Even before checkboxes you have to find the fucking page, moron.
Fucking Google it, moron.
They don't and you just DID attack them by lying.
Have you ever read an Apple license agreement? They do, they just don't let you see it like Google does. And why would I attack Apple? I have 2 MacBook Pros and an iPad Air, and my wife has a MacBook Pro, iPhone 6+ and iPad Air 2. Why does everyone think I'm anti-Apple? I'm not, I'm just a realist who knows how to actually read what is presented to him (e.g. Apple EULAs) and research what is not (e.g. how to disable Google features).
they'd kept a log of every single search I'd done for at least 2 years
And you can delete that log easily.
complex UIs for turning off some features
If a series of checkboxes is too complex for you, perhaps Google is a bit beyond your comprehension. It's probably for the best that you stopped using their services.
If Apple was doing this you'd be attacking them.
Funny, they do and I'm not.
And who said anything about a constant stream being shared with Google? Their system requiring the information does not mean their system sends any of it back to them; and even if it does, Google has always been good about allowing users to opt out of sharing any data not required for the service being provided. You've clearly never looked at Google account settings, or you'd know this.
That's not selling search results, that's selling API access to be able to list available room/flight and rate data, there's a difference. They can't simply browse this data because nobody provides it in a browseable (e.g. without entering an infinite combination of values into a set of fields) format, mostly as a result of the technical impossibility of doing so. Providing an API for hotels and airlines to enter this data themselves, on the other hand, that's perfectly possible. They don't even charge for that access (beyond an initial setup, during which they verify identities and whatnot), so there's essentially no barrier to entry, though they do take a cut of any referrals, but that's standard practice.
If it's something more nefarious than that, where are the DOJ and FTC investigations and where is the EFF outcry?
Gah... typos... this is why i don't post from my phone...
It's not like iOS was just hit with ad-blasiting malware or anything. By the way, how does Marshmallow hold up? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, having just updated, but I'm not expecting any more from you than geneal puffery.
Also, is it the platform or the retarded skins and apps every manufacturer wants to bake into their distributions that cause most of the issues? I aske because I'm aware of a number of issues caused by Touch-Wiz and Sense. These issues don't exist for Nexus devices.
I'd apologize for calling you a dumbass but I'm still not sure if you were purposefully ignoring my admission that there are vulnerabilities in Android (just like every platform) or if you were just too dumb do see it with out having it pointed out to you. You talk a big game but can't be arsed to back it up, though, so I'm still leaning toward the latter; and I don't expect that to change for my current round of questions, either.
How much is Tim Cook paying you to soread his FUD now that iOS vulnerabilities are making a more public appearance?
No, and that's not how it would work, either. At worst, they'd have a couple sponsored results, which would be labeled as such, jus like current Google Maps searches. More to the point, though, nowhere was it ever said that this data would be streamed back to Google on a continuous basis; Google only need know my locatuon and that I need a mechanic and they're pretty good about letting you limit what they collect (have you ever actually looked at Google account settings in-depth?) so I'd be surprised if the data did get shared with Google on a continual basis without an obvious option to turn that sharing off.
Besides, if you don't like it, don't use it; personally, as stated in my previous post, I would like my infotainment system to have access to as much data as possible about the state of my vehicle, provided it allows me access to that data as well. An android-based solution would be ideal, in my eyes, as I already use Torque for that.
I know it might surprise you, but most people are fine with sharing a bit of data if they get something useful in exchange. Even moreso when the data being shared is relevant to the product or service being received.
NSA does data collection and filtering for manual review (e.g. by a human) with a computer. Google does data collection and filtering for automated ad delivery (e.g. by a computer) with a computer. Subtle difference, I know.
Yeah, sure, I can do that while I'm calling for a tow. Wait, no. Well, I can, but not as conveniently as having my car do it for me. Plus, I can do cool stuff with that data, but I have to be able to get at it, first. If my infotainment system can do it, I don't need to find somewhere to mount another piece of hardware to do it (which I've done in every car I've owned since I started buying 1996 and newer, when OBD-II became the standard).
No, because they're open about what they're doing (tracking and showing ads) and why they're doing it (to show relevant ads that i'll find less annoying). It's not like they have some guy sitting there tracking my every move; now that might be creepy, but a computer? Pfft.
I'm not missing out on anything, I don't own a 2016 911 :)
This. Honestly, I'd like to see a device-agnostic bluetooth connection for the phone and feed the infotainment system as much data as possible. The more data is has access to, the more fun (and often useful) stuff it can let me do. And isn't driving a 911 supposed to be about having fun?
You know, I maintain my vehicles and have never had one break down on the road, so I don't exactly know where the nearest mechanic is everywhere I drive. On the off chance that I should break down on the side of the road, sans tools and sans parts, on a trip so I'm not near my garage, it would be VERY useful for my car to automatically tell me where the nearest mechanic is; even better if it gave me a list with ratings and reviews, so I could call around while waiting for a tow and find one that could get me in ASAP, so I can get back on the road quicker. Beyond that, if they want to advertise things to me that I'm not actually interested in, well, my eyeballs are capable of being averted. Is there too much advertising, in general? Yes. But, Google is trying to make advertising more effective, therefore allowing advertisers to reduce the number of ads they (feel they) must show us to get the desired effect; we should be supporting them in this goal, as it will ultimately result in less advertising. The ideal would be no advertising, but you know as well as I do that we'll never get all those demons stuffed back into Pandora's box.
No. What we have a problem with re: advertising and data mining is when it is done in excess and to the detriment of the user, such as serving malware alongside ads or a blog with multiple ad providers and tracking services. Even worse when we pay for something and get ads and tracking. Many, if not most, of us are perfectly willing to trade some of our personal data and eyeball time for useful services; and most who fall into that category seem to agree that Google has struck a reasonable balance. Slashdot, on the other hand... AdBlock engaged.
Further information: Carbon dioxide occupies a different binding site on the hemoglobin. Carbon dioxide is more readily dissolved in deoxygenated blood, facilitating its removal from the body after the oxygen has been released to tissues undergoing metabolism. This increased affinity for carbon dioxide by the venous blood is known as the Haldane effect. Through the enzyme carbonic anhydrase, carbon dioxide reacts with water to give carbonic acid, which decomposes into bicarbonate and protons: CO2 + H2O -> H2CO3 -> HCO3 + H+
I guess you're right, the body doesn't create carbonic acid... except when it does. And it does.
Okay, that's an explanation I can get behind, thanks for the info. Can you tag in on the other branch of this thread and correct the misconceptions and high-school-health-class-level oversimplifications being spouted there?
Always happy to learn something new, thanks again!
Yes, but you failed to recognize the chemical process by which the binding takes place.
You ever think what you learn in high school might be simplified somewhat? What's the point of learning anything beyond that? How do you think red cells carry O2 and CO2? They aren't little gas canisters, they carry it as part of another molecule.
Look beyond gradeschool textbooks and learn something. Please, don't just take my word for it (or, as in this case, dismiss the information because it disagrees with the oversimplification your learned in health class), do some research for yourself and realize that my understanding isn't incorrect, yours is incomplete.
Of course I burp, loud and proud most of the time even. That's how the dissolved CO2 escapes. The reacted CO2, on the other hand... You know, the carbonic acid... You don't just belch that out. And your body has a disposal method fornit that doesn't involve piss or shit, so it traverses the large intestine and enters the blood stream.
It doesn't matter much if you're just sitting on the couch, you'll exhale it as if nothing happened. But, if you're active at all, you'll tire or run out of breath quicker. Carbonated drinks are a real stamina killer and I avoid them for at least a few hours before any sort of strenuous activity. It took me years to realize that they were the cause of my diminishing stamina and, even after that, I still can't give them up entirely.